2025 Draft Class: IDL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

Lol every yr we got a RB that's the next generational guy. Turns out they're never really a generational/revolutionary RB and there's also half a dozen really really productive RBs that go outside of the 1st.

It's almost like the position isn't that valuable and super replaceable

I agree, but I also feel with ther crappier o line & QB play in the sport, more coaches will turn to the run game again which will naturally bring the RB back a bit. A lot of defenses today are smaller and faster so I see a lot of pieces in place for a mauling run team to have a lot of success. Or maybe I am just dreaming because I think the sport was better back in the 80's and 90's lol.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
RB in the 1st round would be a crime. If and when a RB is drafted by the 9ers watch how much playing time he'll get between him, CMC and Guerendo.

Kyle Shanahan doesn't draft RB's in the 1st round. He always has said when he plays Madden he builds his trenches. And right now his trenches aren't anywhere near good.

It's a silly thing to debate and imo it's draft paralysis in mid April.

We got CMC on a contract that basically guarantees he's here thru 2027. Sure let's take a RB and let them split carries for 3 yrs, then when CMC's done, we gotta fork over a massive deal to AJ…a replaceable position. Oh that that's if he performs and doesn't get hurt (like all damn RBs).

It's such a silly fantasy football concept imo.

take a RB every yr on day 3, we go through them like water. Every one does

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

I would have taken Alvin Kamara in the 3rd over CMC at 2 overall

Also, I was old enough to remember arguing with folks in here that were calling Leonard Fournette "generational" oops

Wasn't me, he was way too linear and stiff, Jeanty's contact balance is otherworldly, Adrian Peterson esque levels. Hasn't got that same burst as AD, but apart from that he's that level of a prospect.

I honestly prefer not to take Jeanty, but not considering the board at all is lunacy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

Lol every yr we got a RB that's the next generational guy. Turns out they're never really a generational/revolutionary RB and there's also half a dozen really really productive RBs that go outside of the 1st.

It's almost like the position isn't that valuable and super replaceable

That's just not true and you know it. No one said there was one last year, Bijan maybe, nothing said for Gibbs, nothing for Greece or Jonathan Taylor (though there probably should have been) a few of us liked Najee, but no one threw out generational.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was gonna add I think Harmon is who they wanted Kinlaw to be.

Give me a bigger Cameron Heyward for the next decade.

Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

RB in the 1st round would be a crime. If and when a RB is drafted by the 9ers watch how much playing time he'll get between him, CMC and Guerendo.

Kyle Shanahan doesn't draft RB's in the 1st round. He always has said when he plays Madden he builds his trenches. And right now his trenches aren't anywhere near good.

Would also be a crime based on the ridiculous depth in the RB class this year. Guys like Giddens, Harvey (love),and Tuten could be had in late R4 or later....which I am more than OK with.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was gonna add I think Harmon is who they wanted Kinlaw to be.

Give me a bigger Cameron Heyward for the next decade.

Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

RB in the 1st round would be a crime. If and when a RB is drafted by the 9ers watch how much playing time he'll get between him, CMC and Guerendo.

Kyle Shanahan doesn't draft RB's in the 1st round. He always has said when he plays Madden he builds his trenches. And right now his trenches aren't anywhere near good.

Would also be a crime based on the ridiculous depth in the RB class this year. Guys like Giddens, Harvey (love),and Tuten could be had in late R4 or later....which I am more than OK with.

I agree, but we know Kyle loved cmc and he was strongly considering Harris. So there are top end backs he would be comfortable taking. (Doubt he would) this draft is pretty nuts at rb and dt.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Wasn't me, he was way too linear and stiff, Jeanty's contact balance is otherworldly, Adrian Peterson esque levels. Hasn't got that same burst as AD, but apart from that he's that level of a prospect.

I honestly prefer not to take Jeanty, but not considering the board at all is lunacy.

That's just not true and you know it. No one said there was one last year, Bijan maybe, nothing said for Gibbs, nothing for Greece or Jonathan Taylor (though there probably should have been) a few of us liked Najee, but no one threw out generational.

Oh I'm not saying you did, a lot of folks were all over him in that draft. Much more than CMC.

I'd say Kamara's contact balance is elite level all the same.

AP for as great as he was made it to one NFCC. We went to a Super Bowl with Mostert. KC won multiple SBs with backup level RBs. Mike shanahan found his stud RB 6th rd. Who was Brady's best RB?

I'm not saying AJ isn't an elite level player. The problem is he plays a position that isn't valuable overall. The league goes thru them like water. The shelf life of RBs is short, especially a guy like AJ imo. Dude has over 750 carries already.

Go find a scheme fit RB on day 3.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Wasn't me, he was way too linear and stiff, Jeanty's contact balance is otherworldly, Adrian Peterson esque levels. Hasn't got that same burst as AD, but apart from that he's that level of a prospect.

I honestly prefer not to take Jeanty, but not considering the board at all is lunacy.

That's just not true and you know it. No one said there was one last year, Bijan maybe, nothing said for Gibbs, nothing for Greece or Jonathan Taylor (though there probably should have been) a few of us liked Najee, but no one threw out generational.

Oh I'm not saying you did, a lot of folks were all over him in that draft. Much more than CMC.

I'd say Kamara's contact balance is elite level all the same.

AP for as great as he was made it to one NFCC. We went to a Super Bowl with Mostert. KC won multiple SBs with backup level RBs. Mike shanahan found his stud RB 6th rd. Who was Brady's best RB?

I'm not saying AJ isn't an elite level player. The problem is he plays a position that isn't valuable overall. The league goes thru them like water. The shelf life of RBs is short, especially a guy like AJ imo. Dude has over 750 carries already.

Go find a scheme fit RB on day 3.

I'm more than happy to, but the end of the day the draft starts in round 1, and you don't know how it's going to shake out. The Ravens do this sort of thing all the time. Want to let Kyle Hamilton fall, sure we'll take him, that Center a few years back, yup. Jeanty is a top 3 player in this class. I'm happy to pass, but not for just anyone. I don't understand why that isn't acceptable.

I get the wear and tear discussion, but have you seen this guy? Looks like he was built in a lab. I worry about his workload as much as I worry about Derrick Henry's.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but I also feel with ther crappier o line & QB play in the sport, more coaches will turn to the run game again which will naturally bring the RB back a bit. A lot of defenses today are smaller and faster so I see a lot of pieces in place for a mauling run team to have a lot of success. Or maybe I am just dreaming because I think the sport was better back in the 80's and 90's lol.

We were 6th in yard per attempt last yr, that's without CMC and a collection of whomever at RB.

this is where the problem is

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but I also feel with ther crappier o line & QB play in the sport, more coaches will turn to the run game again which will naturally bring the RB back a bit. A lot of defenses today are smaller and faster so I see a lot of pieces in place for a mauling run team to have a lot of success. Or maybe I am just dreaming because I think the sport was better back in the 80's and 90's lol.

We were 6th in yard per attempt last yr, that's without CMC and a collection of whomever at RB.

this is where the problem is

49ers run defense last year:

used 7+ box defenders on 76% of runs

#7 highest % of 7+ box defenders

#5 highest % of 8+ box defenders

despite that:

#29 in EPA/rush
#29 in explosive run rate
#31 in rushing TD rate
#24 in negative runs forced
#24 in yards before contact pic.twitter.com/DsfUqAdEJy

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 10, 2025

Definitely defense is a priority this draft. However, this draft is so deep with RB talent, I think it's a mistake not to add one. Obviously not in the top 3 rounds. But using their last pick in the 4th or either of their 5th rounders on a guy like Harvey, Giddens, or Tuten…would be extremely smart given the RB injury risk. And honestly those three guys are probably solid R3 picks any other year. IMO. .

As we get closer and closer to the draft the truth is coming out on him

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Definitely defense is a priority this draft. However, this draft is so deep with RB talent, I think it's a mistake not to add one. Obviously not in the top 3 rounds. But using their last pick in the 4th or either of their 5th rounders on a guy like Harvey, Giddens, or Tuten…would be extremely smart given the RB injury risk. And honestly those three guys are probably solid R3 picks any other year. IMO. .

Oh I'm not saying don't draft a RB. Take one every yr on day 3 (maybe late day 2 depending on who's there).

Don't use premium picks at RB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but I also feel with ther crappier o line & QB play in the sport, more coaches will turn to the run game again which will naturally bring the RB back a bit. A lot of defenses today are smaller and faster so I see a lot of pieces in place for a mauling run team to have a lot of success. Or maybe I am just dreaming because I think the sport was better back in the 80's and 90's lol.

We were 6th in yard per attempt last yr, that's without CMC and a collection of whomever at RB.

this is where the problem is

49ers run defense last year:

used 7+ box defenders on 76% of runs

#7 highest % of 7+ box defenders

#5 highest % of 8+ box defenders

despite that:

#29 in EPA/rush
#29 in explosive run rate
#31 in rushing TD rate
#24 in negative runs forced
#24 in yards before contact pic.twitter.com/DsfUqAdEJy

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 10, 2025

I agree fixing our D is #1

Good thing there are some really good DT prospects in the draft

The argument for not going DL in round 1 is because look at the talent available in the later rounds: It's insanely deep. Theres literally 40+ guys available who can make an impact.

Which makes it even more important to draft the BPA no matter the position.

Rd 2- Tyleik Williams / Kenneth Grant / Darius Alexander / TJ Sanders
Rd 3 - Alfred Collins / Jordan Phillips / Omar Norman Lott / Shemar Turner / Josh Farmer
Rd 4- Jamaree Caldwell / Cam Horsley / Ty Robinson / Aeneas Peebles
Rd 5- CJ West / Vernon Broughton / JJ Pegues / Simeon Barrow / Nazir Stackhouse

Rd 2- Nic Scourton / Landon Jackson / J.T. Tuimoloau / Princely Umanmielen / Donovan Ezeiruaku /
Rd 3- Jordan Burch / Bradyn Swinson / Olu Oladejo / Jared Ivey / Kyle Kennard / Jack Sawyer
Rd 4- Savion Jones / Tyler Barron / Josiah Stewart / Ashton Gillotte
Rd 5- David Walker / Antwaun Powell Ryland / Kaimon Rucker / Jah Joyner / Tyrion Ingram Dawkins / Elijah Roberts

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Definitely defense is a priority this draft. However, this draft is so deep with RB talent, I think it's a mistake not to add one. Obviously not in the top 3 rounds. But using their last pick in the 4th or either of their 5th rounders on a guy like Harvey, Giddens, or Tuten…would be extremely smart given the RB injury risk. And honestly those three guys are probably solid R3 picks any other year. IMO. .

Oh I'm not saying don't draft a RB. Take one every yr on day 3 (maybe late day 2 depending on who's there).

Don't use premium picks at RB.

I agree with both of you, and that would be my plan, I'm just willing to change it if I see the right prospect, and that applies to any position. If I thought Shedeur was much better than Brock, I'd advocate drafting him and trading Purdy (I obviously don't) roster construction and draft strategy needs to be flexible, otherwise what's the point of scouting players at all?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I agree fixing our D is #1

Good thing there are some really good DT prospects in the draft

The argument for not going DL in round 1 is because look at the talent available in the later rounds: It's insanely deep. Theres literally 40+ guys available who can make an impact.

Which makes it even more important to draft the BPA no matter the position.

Rd 2- Tyleik Williams / Kenneth Grant / Darius Alexander / TJ Sanders
Rd 3 - Alfred Collins / Jordan Phillips / Omar Norman Lott / Shemar Turner / Josh Farmer
Rd 4- Jamaree Caldwell / Cam Horsley / Ty Robinson / Aeneas Peebles
Rd 5- CJ West / Vernon Broughton / JJ Pegues / Simeon Barrow / Nazir Stackhouse

Rd 2- Nic Scourton / Landon Jackson / J.T. Tuimoloau / Princely Umanmielen / Donovan Ezeiruaku /
Rd 3- Jordan Burch / Bradyn Swinson / Olu Oladejo / Jared Ivey / Kyle Kennard / Jack Sawyer
Rd 4- Savion Jones / Tyler Barron / Josiah Stewart / Ashton Gillotte
Rd 5- David Walker / Antwaun Powell Ryland / Kaimon Rucker / Jah Joyner / Tyrion Ingram Dawkins / Elijah Roberts

And there's amazing RBs outside of the 1st rd. Stop spending premium picks on positions that aren't at a premium…plain and simple

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I agree with both of you, and that would be my plan, I'm just willing to change it if I see the right prospect, and that applies to any position. If I thought Shedeur was much better than Brock, I'd advocate drafting him and trading Purdy (I obviously don't) roster construction and draft strategy needs to be flexible, otherwise what's the point of scouting players at all?

Value of position has to be a factor. That's the difference.

Go look at the chart I posted above. There's a reason why teams draft OT/EDGE/IDL/WR/QB high and often. Those positions don't become available in FA. Teams spend their own money there to retain guys….now go look at S/LB/IOL/RB. It's the opposite. Why? Because they're replaceable. Those positions are the ones that make it to FA for a reason every yr.

Look at all the teams that draft RB high, overall would you say they're massively better? I don't. They're overpaying for a non premium position with a short shelf life.

this team in particular, has a MASSIVE need to fix, it's not like anyone they could take at 11 is gonna be some massive reach in this draft anyway. Need fits talent. Sounds like a great scenario…we don't need to overthink it and I feel like that's what some of ya'll are doing on 4/15.