2025 Draft Class: IDL

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Exactly. Harmon at 11 is a reach plain and simple and have to HOPE he is really good.

That's not good.

Harmon has little chance to be a superstar which is why I'm swinging for the fences even if not at a position of need. Jeanty better not be on the board if we go Harmon. If he is, trade back to someone who wants Jeanty like Denver and then pick Harmon if you want him.

Call should go like "You want Jeanty/Warren what will you give me because we prefer to trade back but we're taking him if we can't make a deal."

He isn't a reach. You have to hope any one you draft will be really good.

The worst thing we can do is swing for the fence. We need a player that's a day 1 starter and has the ability to become more.

Explain to me why Harmon can't be great? You've said this multiple times and haven't provided why.

im not saying he can be Chris Jones, but he's got that athletic profile and measurables. Harmon can play up and down that DL.

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he changed his body from his time at MSU to Oregon and played in a defense suited for his playing style. He went on to lead the nation in pressures at IDL.

I had that comparison all along I just didn't want to speak it. lol

I feel like 11 is a bit high for Harmon, but he's not a bad prospect at all and I wouldn't rage if he was the pick. I just see it as Garaham, then a ton of guys for like 3-4 rounds that all look very good to me.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I get the argument. Your drafting BPA and for value. Alot of teams have 10 guys with first round grades in this draft. Jeanty is a top 10 pick in any draft. If you are there at 11 looking at Stewart, Mkyel, Banks, guys with serious question marks, and you have a cant miss RB prospect right in front of you, you might not be seeking to draft an RB but it becomes a possibility. At minimum, that pick might create some value and let you swap with Dallas or collect some capital with Denver.

Fortunately/Unfortunately, I dont think Jeanty is there at 11. Other teams will be thinking the same thing. Why draft a bad QB or a tackle thats going to play guard when theres an elite talent on the board.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

I understand it. You're saying that you aren't arguing to take a rb at 11. But all you have done is argue to take a rb at 11.

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I get the argument. Your drafting BPA and for value. Alot of teams have 10 guys with first round grades in this draft. Jeanty is a top 10 pick in any draft. If you are there at 11 looking at Stewart, Mkyel, Banks, guys with serious question marks, and you have a cant miss RB prospect right in front of you, you might not be seeking to draft an RB but it becomes a possibility. At minimum, that pick might create some value and let you swap with Dallas or collect some capital with Denver.

Fortunately/Unfortunately, I dont think Jeanty is there at 11. Other teams will be thinking the same thing. Why draft a bad QB or a tackle thats going to play guard when theres an elite talent on the board.

Exactly and each team has a unique situation which is why I have Jeanty and Warren at the bottom of the pick 11 queue, but I totally get it.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

I understand it. You're saying that you aren't arguing to take a rb at 11. But all you have done is argue to take a rb at 11.

You obviously aren't paying attention, I don't want to draft Jeanty at #11, I'd rather he was gone, like he will be. If he's there I just need someone graded at least close to him in order to pass.

My biggest issue is with people who can't understand why you would (should) do that.

I have Carter, Hunter and Jeanty in the superstar tier

In my next tier I have Graham, Walker, Campbell and maybe Membou

If the guys in that next tier are there I'd draft them over Jeanty as they are much bigger needs, at much more valuable positions. If they aren't I'll try to trade down, but if I can't I'd draft Jeanty. There's just so much more to it than "You want to draft an RB" that it's insulting

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I get the argument. Your drafting BPA and for value. Alot of teams have 10 guys with first round grades in this draft. Jeanty is a top 10 pick in any draft. If you are there at 11 looking at Stewart, Mkyel, Banks, guys with serious question marks, and you have a cant miss RB prospect right in front of you, you might not be seeking to draft an RB but it becomes a possibility. At minimum, that pick might create some value and let you swap with Dallas or collect some capital with Denver.

Fortunately/Unfortunately, I dont think Jeanty is there at 11. Other teams will be thinking the same thing. Why draft a bad QB or a tackle thats going to play guard when theres an elite talent on the board.

Absolutely this, thank you. Stewart and Mykel in particular would have me puke to draft over Jeanty, there's just so much risk in either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was gonna add I think Harmon is who they wanted Kinlaw to be.

Give me a bigger Cameron Heyward for the next decade.

Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?

Do I want to draft an RB at #11, no

Do I want to draft a superstar at #11, yes

There's a difference

Ok let's get this straight. You don't want to draft a rb at 11. But the superstar you want to draft at 11 is a rb. Ohh I see the difference now.

I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

I understand it. You're saying that you aren't arguing to take a rb at 11. But all you have done is argue to take a rb at 11.

You obviously aren't paying attention, I don't want to draft Jeanty at #11, I'd rather he was gone, like he will be. If he's there I just need someone graded at least close to him in order to pass.

My biggest issue is with people who can't understand why you would (should) do that.

I have Carter, Hunter and Jeanty in the superstar tier

In my next tier I have Graham, Walker, Campbell and maybe Membou

If the guys in that next tier are there I'd draft them over Jeanty as they are much bigger needs, at much more valuable positions. If they aren't I'll try to trade down, but if I can't I'd draft Jeanty. There's just so much more to it than "You want to draft an RB" that it's insulting

Ok so bring that same energy when you're watching the defense give up fifty burgers but hey they got a fantastic rb standing on the sidelines.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was gonna add I think Harmon is who they wanted Kinlaw to be.

Give me a bigger Cameron Heyward for the next decade.

Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

RB in the 1st round would be a crime. If and when a RB is drafted by the 9ers watch how much playing time he'll get between him, CMC and Guerendo.

Kyle Shanahan doesn't draft RB's in the 1st round. He always has said when he plays Madden he builds his trenches. And right now his trenches aren't anywhere near good.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'll try to put it in context you might understand.

Saquon was great coming out and went #2, say he was in this draft, would you take him #11? If I could draft Aaron Donald or JJ Watt instead, then I'd take them, but I'm not passing on them to take someone like Arik Armstead or Mike McGlinchey.

Do you think we'd have been better off in 2017 with CMC or Solomon Thomas?

I would have taken Alvin Kamara in the 3rd over CMC at 2 overall

Also, I was old enough to remember arguing with folks in here that were calling Leonard Fournette "generational" oops

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Give me a bigger, stronger Ladanian Tomlinson.

Lol every yr we got a RB that's the next generational guy. Turns out they're never really a generational/revolutionary RB and there's also half a dozen really really productive RBs that go outside of the 1st.

It's almost like the position isn't that valuable and super replaceable