Malaki Starks-S-Georgia

Spending a first round pick on a safety who has question marks, in this day and age, is extremely risky and doesnt have a ton of reward to it.

Neither of two top safeties in this draft impress me.

I'd be upset if they took Starks with #11 pick.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Spending a first round pick on a safety who has question marks, in this day and age, is extremely risky and doesnt have a ton of reward to it.

Neither of two top safeties in this draft impress me.

I'd be upset if they took Starks with #11 pick.

Every player has question marks.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Every player has question marks.

let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

And Tartt, Brown and Gipson couldn't cover Kelce in both and that was a huge reason why we lost.

Emanwori is not a stiff

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

And Tartt, Brown and Gipson couldn't cover Kelce in both and that was a huge reason why we lost.

Exactly, I'm tired of them going cheap at the Safety position. Whether it's draft capitol or cap space, they don't spend much at that position and that needs to change. IMO

From Ronnie Lott to Merton Hanks to Tony Parrish

49ers always had good Safeties. Time to give the Safety position attention again.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Every player has question marks.

let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

Why does he have to be Kyle Hamilton? I think people just make up rules for the draft. We can't draft RBs high but they dominate the game more than almost any other position. Apparently can't do that for safeties either - but they are the ultimate Swiss Army knives of the defense, capable of changing the game.

If he can play and change the game in your favor, take him.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Every player has question marks.

let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

Why does he have to be Kyle Hamilton? I think people just make up rules for the draft. We can't draft RBs high but they dominate the game more than almost any other position. Apparently can't do that for safeties either - but they are the ultimate Swiss Army knives of the defense, capable of changing the game.

If he can play and change the game in your favor, take him.

That's my thinking all day. IDGAF about where you can and can't take a certain position. And it looks like Lynch and Shanahan don't care either with them drafting a Kicker in the 3rd round. I just don't think Lynch puts much stock in the Safety position.

49ers haven't had a Safety this good since Tony Parrish.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And Tartt, Brown and Gipson couldn't cover Kelce in both and that was a huge reason why we lost.

Kelce is one of the best TEs of all time in finding soft zones, and he was not covered by Tartt in the first SB, and was covered by a LB (Burks) a lot in the second SB

Do you have anything to say about Starks or Emmanwori hip fluidity and change of direction ? Because that's what matters in coverage, and neither has elite hips. Pause.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
let me narrow it down then- coverage question marks

Emmanwori is a stiff, and yes I get PTSD from Taylor Mays. I dont think he can play nickel at all and is generally a box safety.

Starks play dipped down when he had to play nickel. He gets owned by shifty slot guys too much for a top 15 talent who isnt too physical to start with.

Just get a slot/safety/outside corner in a pinch undersized versatile guy like they did with Lenoire in mid rounds. These type of guys arent expensive and they can be decent considering how much teams play 2 safety looks nowadays

This team has started guys like Tartt, Brown and Gipson in the superbowls.

If you picking a safety in the first, it better be a Kyle Hamilton type.

This Taylor Mays stuff with Emmanwori is comical. Not only is Emmanwori far more explosive as a pro prospect, Mays came in with question marks about his ability to take coaching and his love for the game. Singletary/Tomsula/Manusky were clearly not the right type of guys to get the best out of him from day one. He went in the second round.

Emmanwori has a legitimate chance to be an All-Pro guy. The potential to be better than Kyle Hamilton. Saleh would get every ounce out of him.

I worry about Starks ability to play near the line of scrimmage.

if we take a Safety, it better be Emmanwori. This dude is gonna be a stud.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Why does he have to be Kyle Hamilton? I think people just make up rules for the draft. We can't draft RBs high but they dominate the game more than almost any other position. Apparently can't do that for safeties either - but they are the ultimate Swiss Army knives of the defense, capable of changing the game.

If he can play and change the game in your favor, take him.

I didnt say they have to be Kyle Hamilton. I said a safety nowadays has to have certain arsenal of elite traits in order to be picked in the first round, and great coverage is one of them. Any safety who has question marks about coverage is a huge risk when they are picked high.

Positional value is a thing, its not something that's made up.
If it were a made up thing, then why arent kickers or punters selected in the first round, ever ? Even the best kickers and punters ?

Why are there very few centers selected in the top 15 if there is no positional value attached ? You have to go 30 years back to find a center to be selected in top 15. Do you think NFL GMs are inherently stupid to not do this in 30 years ?

Some positions are drafted later than some others, for a reason. For some positions, a player that completely bombs is a disaster because of risk/reward attached. Teams dont mind if they pick a project pass rusher who might fail, because if they get a star at edge the reward will be huge. On other hand if you get a guard in top 15, and he fails...theres no silver lining. You cant even sub him in for a few snaps, really.

Safeties are kinda like that nowadays. You can't be a savage hitter because you'll get flagged. I feel the position is very binary. You either get a pro bowl caliber player OR you can get by with a decent safety who knows the assignment and just doesnt screw up.

We got two great years out of Gipson who wasnt even on a NFL team at the point they picked him up. Vet good safeties are cheap and dime a dozen.

Thats my problem with Starks or Emmanwori. I just dont see elite coverage traits and hence they have certain risks associated with them, especially at 11 which is in that top 15 range

Originally posted by ScoutingBall:
This Taylor Mays stuff with Emmanwori is comical. Not only is Emmanwori far more explosive as a pro prospect, Mays came in with question marks about his ability to take coaching and his love for the game. Singletary/Tomsula/Manusky were clearly not the right type of guys to get the best out of him from day one. He went in the second round.

Emmanwori has a legitimate chance to be an All-Pro guy. The potential to be better than Kyle Hamilton. Saleh would get every ounce out of him.

I worry about Starks ability to play near the line of scrimmage.

if we take a Safety, it better be Emmanwori. This dude is gonna be a stud.

Writeup from NFL.com

Hard pass on this guy.

NFL Comparison

Jeremy Chinn

OverviewThe assessment of Emmanwori's tape could depend on which games you watch. He's a physical specimen with rare size and outstanding speed, but he doesn't always play with a "first to the action" mentality in run support. When he gets it cranked up, he becomes a much more effective tackler and overall run stopper from sideline to sideline. He's capable of playing over the top, inside the box or even matching up with pass-catching tight ends. He's upright with average transition fluidity in coverage, but he has great recovery speed and uses his length to throw a blanket over the catch point. He has rare NFL traits and talent, so a boost in urgency could take him from a good starter to a Pro Bowl-caliber player.

Strengths

• Elite blend of traits, speed and versatility.
• Has the skill set to match up with top tight ends.
• Underestimating his range in space comes at a price.
• Wingspan and ball skills like a five-star wide receiver.
• Able to land punishing blows on catch targets.
• Leaping and length help smother catch tries.
• Has the speed to wipe out angles on wide runs.
• Racked up solo tackles in all three seasons.

Weaknesses

• Drifts through games without urgency at times.
• Inconsistent downhill trigger in run support.
• Block take-on and pursuit angles need improvement.
• Gives too much ground to blockers instead of bypassing.
• Hip tightness limits transition quickness in space.
• Average instincts and route anticipation.

Originally posted by ScoutingBall:
This Taylor Mays stuff with Emmanwori is comical. Not only is Emmanwori far more explosive as a pro prospect, Mays came in with question marks about his ability to take coaching and his love for the game. Singletary/Tomsula/Manusky were clearly not the right type of guys to get the best out of him from day one. He went in the second round.

Emmanwori has a legitimate chance to be an All-Pro guy. The potential to be better than Kyle Hamilton. Saleh would get every ounce out of him.

I worry about Starks ability to play near the line of scrimmage.

if we take a Safety, it better be Emmanwori. This dude is gonna be a stud.

Taylor Mays would not be a good safety even if he had the most love for the game.

Love for the game or coachability doesnt miraculously make you not stiff when covering shifty elite athletes who can cut on a dime

I know this is a Starks thread but why dont we go from random film that is in public domain ?



Completely whiffs on a RB in his gap at 6:59.

The ugly play by falling and then taking a bad angle at 7:10 ?

the ugly angle on a rb in space who simply OUTRUNS him at 11:19 ? that RB is not an NFL rb, hes just a guy...kaleb jackson

at 9:53 has to chance to lay the wood on a erratic catch, and...well at least he makes the tackle, Ill give him that.

thats not even coverage, thats just playing the run...his supposed strength

and boy in coverage...what the HELL that at 20:35 ? looks ugly, not just him misjudging the play, but him turning his hips around looks plain ugly and he stumbles a lot while changing direction

he has the burst and speed and athleticism and yes he can recover, but hes not a coverage guy and he will get picked on

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Taylor Mays would not be a good safety even if he had the most love for the game.

Love for the game or coachability doesnt miraculously make you not stiff when covering shifty elite athletes who can cut on a dime

I know this is a Starks thread but why dont we go from random film that is in public domain ?



Completely whiffs on a RB in his gap at 6:59.

The ugly play by falling and then taking a bad angle at 7:10 ?

the ugly angle on a rb in space who simply OUTRUNS him at 11:19 ? that RB is not an NFL rb, hes just a guy...kaleb jackson

at 9:53 has to chance to lay the wood on a erratic catch, and...well at least he makes the tackle, Ill give him that.

thats not even coverage, thats just playing the run...his supposed strength

and boy in coverage...what the HELL that at 20:35 ? looks ugly, not just him misjudging the play, but him turning his hips around looks plain ugly and he stumbles a lot while changing direction

he has the burst and speed and athleticism and yes he can recover, but hes not a coverage guy and he will get picked on

So basically he can run fast. In a straight line. Like Taylor Mays