2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Blows my mind when people say so and so "can't" do something when they literally been doing it. Winning the best DB in college football to boot

hey did you know we just signed a Thorpe winner from a couple yrs ago in Tre Tomlinson? 6th rd pick who got cut from LA

Go read every single draft profile of Barron and tell me where they all think he will play at the next level. Yes he played on the outside (rarely played man coverage) what's making him a 1st rd prospect is not his play on the boundary. Which is my point.

Sure the slot might be his best position at the next level; doesn't mean he can't play outside, he literally did it. I guess your definition of "can't" is different than mine; again, just like you always said Huff "can't" play single high. And yes you said Barron can't play outside; which was my point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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Barron can't play outside and they already have a top end NCB that they paid. DJ clearly isn't paying attention to SF's roster and needs.

My Thorpe award winner comment was more insulation to the point. Guess where he played most in college this season; when he won the award, and where he played most when he didn't.

And go read every single draft profile of him. Every CB can "play" outside. My comment was that's not where he plays his best and more than likely he ends up as a NCB/S DB in the NFL.

I don't think he's a bad player at all, I think we need a true boundary CB. That's my point

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't know man I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment talking yourself out of liking any DB at 11. It may very well happen if they don't get any offers to move down worth taking and see the DL depth in this class.

Saleh got to reap the rewards of a stellar 3 set of corners with the Jets, may as well grab a guy you think will be a star and make one position group iron glad if healthy.

They talked a bunch about getting a little more exotic in their coverages too, a guy with this level of versatility would certainly be a good addition just doesn't leave a lot of room for error on the DL or OL.

I think I'm setting myself of the reality of how this team has always operated. They simply don't value CB the way folks think. They find scheme fit guys based on value within that draft.

There is no Sauce in this draft. DJ Reed was yet another 5th rd pick that SF found.

what's been more exotic? They run basically the same coverages forever. Also I'm not sure what makes these coverages more versatile when you have two CBs who are better at NCB? You're asking one of them to sacrifice doing what they're best at.

look I don't hate Barron or Johnson. I think they're both good players. I don't see them being the pick based off how they build their roster.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Blows my mind when people say so and so "can't" do something when they literally been doing it. Winning the best DB in college football to boot

hey did you know we just signed a Thorpe winner from a couple yrs ago in Tre Tomlinson? 6th rd pick who got cut from LA

Go read every single draft profile of Barron and tell me where they all think he will play at the next level. Yes he played on the outside (rarely played man coverage) what's making him a 1st rd prospect is not his play on the boundary. Which is my point.

Sure the slot might be his best position at the next level; doesn't mean he can't play outside, he literally did it. I guess your definition of "can't" is different than mine; again, just like you always said Huff "can't" play single high. And yes you said Barron can't play outside; which was my point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mock Draft 3.0https://t.co/F3bHUw3VrO

— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 18, 2025

Barron can't play outside and they already have a top end NCB that they paid. DJ clearly isn't paying attention to SF's roster and needs.

My Thorpe award winner comment was more insulation to the point. Guess where he played most in college this season; when he won the award, and where he played most when he didn't.

And go read every single draft profile of him. Every CB can "play" outside. My comment was that's not where he plays his best and more than likely he ends up as a NCB/S DB in the NFL.

I don't think he's a bad player at all, I think we need a true boundary CB. That's my point

I'd rather watch him than read the draft profiles, and the dude can clearly play on the outside in the NFL. He's sticky and can run, jump and tackle. I think anyone projecting him inside is doing it purely based on size. Dude is 5'11". Watching the Aggies game and he's lined up on their 6'5" WR a lot. Size is not an issue whatsoever.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'd rather watch him than read the draft profiles, and the dude can clearly play on the outside in the NFL. He's sticky and can run, jump and tackle. I think anyone projecting him inside is doing it purely based on size. Dude is 5'11". Watching the Aggies game and he's lined up on their 6'5" WR a lot. Size is not an issue whatsoever.

I have watched him and what I saw is exactly what others have stated on draft profiles.

he's much better being sticky on those underneath routes. He didn't play a ton of man coverage. His recovery speed downfield is not great in game (yes I know he ran a fast 40).

again there's a difference between being able to play outside and just being MUCH better as a NCB at the next level. It's why folks comp him to Demo/Desmond King. s**t he's been comped to Branch and looked at as a S over being a legit boundary CB.

I'm all for drafting good players, I want those players to play at a position that MAXIMIZES their talents.

also it's not because of his size he's the same height/weight as Green. He does have very short arms though. Something SF has seemed to always value for their CBs (especially on the outside).

People have arued for years about the value of a "cover corner". Many feel that no matter how good a corner is he won't e able to stop a great WR who is often bigger and faster than he is. Some people feel getting pressure on the QB is a bigger factor in stopping long passes.

I think it's fine to have good DBs but I think pressure from the D line is more important. I say that because there are a lot more edge rushers and great tackles that are game changers and disruptors than there are DBs that shut down the passing game. It seems like it's been that way throughout history.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
People have arued for years about the value of a "cover corner". Many feel that no matter how good a corner is he won't e able to stop a great WR who is often bigger and faster than he is. Some people feel getting pressure on the QB is a bigger factor in stopping long passes.

I think it's fine to have good DBs but I think pressure from the D line is more important. I say that because there are a lot more edge rushers and great tackles that are game changers and disruptors than there are DBs that shut down the passing game. It seems like it's been that way throughout history.

I've always been on the DB side of things. Reason being, the DB still has to cover his receiver 100% of pass plays. Even when there is pressure. IMO you'd have to get pressure on close to 50% of drop backs to have the same impact.

Games that come to mind
2005 Colts/Steelers PM pressured/sacked on 45% (Manning still 290 yards)

Bucs/KC SB PM pressured on 52%(Mahomes still 270 passing)

Eagles/KC PM pressured on 38% (Mahomes still 252 yards, 66% 3 TDs)

Without this kind of pressure give me coverage.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
People have arued for years about the value of a "cover corner". Many feel that no matter how good a corner is he won't e able to stop a great WR who is often bigger and faster than he is. Some people feel getting pressure on the QB is a bigger factor in stopping long passes.

I think it's fine to have good DBs but I think pressure from the D line is more important. I say that because there are a lot more edge rushers and great tackles that are game changers and disruptors than there are DBs that shut down the passing game. It seems like it's been that way throughout history.

I absolutely believe in this philosophy. If you don't have the horses up front it doesn't matter who's covering in the back end. No one can cover someone for 3+ secs all game.

Originally posted by krizay:
I've always been on the DB side of things. Reason being, the DB still has to cover his receiver 100% of pass plays. Even when there is pressure. IMO you'd have to get pressure on close to 50% of drop backs to have the same impact.

Games that come to mind
2005 Colts/Steelers PM pressured/sacked on 45% (Manning still 290 yards)

Bucs/KC SB PM pressured on 52%(Mahomes still 270 passing)

Eagles/KC PM pressured on 38% (Mahomes still 252 yards, 66% 3 TDs)

Without this kind of pressure give me coverage.

The difference is you can't expect guys to cover for 3+ secs all game and have consistent success (toss in PIs all over the place).

consistent pressure is how you create TOs and get off the field on 3rd downs.

I'll take a top end DL talent and find scheme fit CBs later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
People have arued for years about the value of a "cover corner". Many feel that no matter how good a corner is he won't e able to stop a great WR who is often bigger and faster than he is. Some people feel getting pressure on the QB is a bigger factor in stopping long passes.

I think it's fine to have good DBs but I think pressure from the D line is more important. I say that because there are a lot more edge rushers and great tackles that are game changers and disruptors than there are DBs that shut down the passing game. It seems like it's been that way throughout history.

I absolutely believe in this philosophy. If you don't have the horses up front it doesn't matter who's covering in the back end. No one can cover someone for 3+ secs all game.

The rteason most teams run so many quick pass plays is because of the pressure. The general rule isthe QB has 3-5 seconds to find the receiver and get rid of the ball. If receivers have enough time they eventually will get open. That's why QBs like Mahomes and Russell Wilson in his early days were so dangerous. They would scramble around and wait for a guy to get open. Even the best DBs can only cover one guy at a time. Most teams typically have at least 3 receivers on passing plays.

Sounds like the Niners have some interest in LBer Jeffrey Bassa. They met with him at his pro-day

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think I'm setting myself of the reality of how this team has always operated. They simply don't value CB the way folks think. They find scheme fit guys based on value within that draft.

There is no Sauce in this draft. DJ Reed was yet another 5th rd pick that SF found.

what's been more exotic? They run basically the same coverages forever. Also I'm not sure what makes these coverages more versatile when you have two CBs who are better at NCB? You're asking one of them to sacrifice doing what they're best at.

look I don't hate Barron or Johnson. I think they're both good players. I don't see them being the pick based off how they build their roster.

They are absolutely not taking a corner high this year. No chance.

Crossing my fingers they can do well drafting the trenches this year that CB becomes an option for 26 in the first.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And go read every single draft profile of him. Every CB can "play" outside. My comment was that's not where he plays his best and more than likely he ends up as a NCB/S DB in the NFL.

I don't think he's a bad player at all, I think we need a true boundary CB. That's my point

Totally agree with you. Lenoir can do both outside and slot, many would argue he's better at slot. I mean in a way fine, my guess is they can interchange etc and that's great, but I am definitely taking Will Johnson over Barron if they are both there. Makes way more sense to me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sounds like the Niners have some interest in LBer Jeffrey Bassa. They met with him at his pro-day

I like him and Buchanon (I probably butchered his name) I think both will go higher than we think right now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The difference is you can't expect guys to cover for 3+ secs all game and have consistent success (toss in PIs all over the place).

consistent pressure is how you create TOs and get off the field on 3rd downs.

I'll take a top end DL talent and find scheme fit CBs later.

Well sure if you phrase it this way. You are giving your DL consistent pressure. Which I admitted in my post that is the only way a great DL could match good coverage. It would have to be consistent. Not as easy to do as you make it sound. CBs also don't have to cover for more than 3+ seconds that often. In fact, what you need is corners who can cover for 3 seconds. That will help your DL get to the QB. If you have so-so guys playing 8-10 yards what good is that pressure?