2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You also said that DeJean was too stiff to play man; which is what I meant by you saying similar stuff. And that he didn't do it in college, all a projection, same stuff different player. I won't get into this with you over Johnson. No offense; but I trust myself on DB evaluation over you

Right and was I wrong? He plays NCB and some S stuff. That's totally different than playing outside in press-man.

I didn't hate cooper if that was gonna be his role (what he does in Philly currently) folks in here were trying to push him into some outside CB man cover lockdown guy, which is simply not what his film showed.

Cool man you do you, you're projecting/hoping he will be good at something he never did. I'm looking at the film and what he did to make a projection. I mean you're "projecting" the #1 CB to be good, I wouldn't call that a Leap of faith lol.

also I don't think he would be bad here. We run a s**t ton of zone and he played that. The point is you don't need to spend top picks on zone coverage CBs to have an affective secondary.

Uh yeah you were wrong; Cooper was one of the best man coverage corners in football lol. You do know that you can play man without "pressing" right? Like I said, I won't get into it with you over this one. And FWIW, playing slot cb is much harder than playing outside

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Bro what you talking about he NEVER played man. Pull up his film vs Marvin Harrison dude went toe to toe with the best college WR in man coverage and held him to 3 receptions. He jammed Marvin out the club and most CBs in the NFL aren't jamming at the line it's normally off coverage and zones that become man. I get it he's not your preferred pick but you do this every year where you tear down prospects you don't want us to draft and normally I agree but you can miss me on this one my preference isn't CB but Johnson's a dog.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You also said that DeJean was too stiff to play man; which is what I meant by you saying similar stuff. And that he didn't do it in college, all a projection, same stuff different player. I won't get into this with you over Johnson. No offense; but I trust myself on DB evaluation over you

Right and was I wrong? He plays NCB and some S stuff. That's totally different than playing outside in press-man.

I didn't hate cooper if that was gonna be his role (what he does in Philly currently) folks in here were trying to push him into some outside CB man cover lockdown guy, which is simply not what his film showed.

Cool man you do you, you're projecting/hoping he will be good at something he never did. I'm looking at the film and what he did to make a projection. I mean you're "projecting" the #1 CB to be good, I wouldn't call that a Leap of faith lol.

also I don't think he would be bad here. We run a s**t ton of zone and he played that. The point is you don't need to spend top picks on zone coverage CBs to have an affective secondary.

Bro what you talking about he NEVER played man. Pull up his film vs Marvin Harrison dude went toe to toe with the best college WR in man coverage and held him to 3 receptions. He jammed Marvin out the club and most CBs in the NFL aren't jamming at the line it's normally off coverage and zones that become man. I get it he's not your preferred pick but you do this every year where you tear down prospects you don't want us to draft and normally I agree but you can miss me on this one my preference isn't CB but Johnson's a dog.

Thanks for looking that up Hysterikal, but if that's not a sign he can play man coverage, I don't know WTF is. He also played some man coverage vs Purdue.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Thanks for looking that up Hysterikal, but if that's not a sign he can play man coverage, I don't know WTF is. He also played some man coverage vs Purdue.

I'm 100% confident he plays man to man every single game. Teams aren't running zone all game. Johnson feels way more comfortable reading a QB when he's in coverage a lot like another Michigan alumni Charles Woodson which helped him become an elite Safety once he wasn't a CB anymore. It's why he usually isn't pressing his man he's playing off and watching where the QBs looking, if the blitz/pass rush is gonna lead to a hot and probably watching what the guard is doing to look for a screen. I think that kinda eye f**king the QB can be exploited by elite OCs/QBs but dudes film study, confidence and instincts have been really good up to this point in his career. Like any CB though if he gets picked on and loses his confidence he could end up falling apart and being a bust. But that's a risk for any prospect.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Thanks for looking that up Hysterikal, but if that's not a sign he can play man coverage, I don't know WTF is. He also played some man coverage vs Purdue.

I'm 100% confident he plays man to man every single game. Teams aren't running zone all game. Johnson feels way more comfortable reading a QB when he's in coverage a lot like another Michigan alumni Charles Woodson which helped him become an elite Safety once he wasn't a CB anymore. It's why he usually isn't pressing his man he's playing off and watching where the QBs looking, if the blitz/pass rush is gonna lead to a hot and probably watching what the guard is doing to look for a screen. I think that kinda eye f**king the QB can be exploited by elite OCs/QBs but dudes film study, confidence and instincts have been really good up to this point in his career. Like any CB though if he gets picked on and loses his confidence he could end up falling apart and being a bust. But that's a risk for any prospect.

Agree with everything you said, especially the part about CB's being picked on and losing confidence. But Johnson has all the tools to be a very successful CB in the NFL. Would love to see him paired up with Renardo Green.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You have no idea if he can play press man, that's the whole point.

why not go for Azareye'h Thomas on day 2? There's actual film of him playing press.

Azareye'h Thomas is a press-man TECHNICIAN.

He allowed a 50.2 passer rating in 2024, including 5 PBUs, 1 pick, and 0 TDs allowed.

At 6'2 200lbs, he has an elite height-weight speed combo on the boundary that teams will love.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted round 1. pic.twitter.com/Gv7Gi4UJsK

— NFL Draft Files (@NFL_DF) January 25, 2025

or Darien Porter on day 2/3? Elite athlete with size that played a ton of zone. That's where we should be taking CBs for this scheme, unless the guys a rare press-man lockdown guy like Sauce Gardner.

Well considering we rarely play man coverage why not take the best zone corner in the draft?

Johnson would be a beast in Saleh's scheme

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and was I wrong? He plays NCB and some S stuff. That's totally different than playing outside in press-man.

I didn't hate cooper if that was gonna be his role (what he does in Philly currently) folks in here were trying to push him into some outside CB man cover lockdown guy, which is simply not what his film showed.

Cool man you do you, you're projecting/hoping he will be good at something he never did. I'm looking at the film and what he did to make a projection. I mean you're "projecting" the #1 CB to be good, I wouldn't call that a Leap of faith lol.

also I don't think he would be bad here. We run a s**t ton of zone and he played that. The point is you don't need to spend top picks on zone coverage CBs to have an affective secondary.

Where are you getting this stuff that he never played man coverage?

He played plenty and was pretty damn good

Jalon Carter and Mykel Williams are both very interesting prospects. It's crazy how people like Todd McShay have both as top 10; Jeremiah has Walker at 7 and Williams at 20, while PFF has Williams at 24 and Walker at 30, and B/R has Walker at 21 and Williams at 28. The dline rankings are all over the place for so many of these prospects. This draft seems to be an "in the eye of the beholder" draft.

Originally posted by SD49er:
Jalon Carter and Mykel Williams are both very interesting prospects. It's crazy how people like Todd McShay have both as top 10; Jeremiah has Walker at 7 and Williams at 20, while PFF has Williams at 24 and Walker at 30, and B/R has Walker at 21 and Williams at 28. The dline rankings are all over the place for so many of these prospects. This draft seems to be an "in the eye of the beholder" draft.

It very much is, I've heard people say they'd rather have 2 early 3rd round picks over having late 20s first round pick.

Even for us it's a real crapshoot of who will be available at 11. Figures that after much back and forth on which prospect I'd prefer....the guy I zero in on finally probably just secured himself a spot in the top 10 lol(Membou)

But as far as those guys I think it depends on how people value physical traits. Walker(I assume you were talking about the Georgia LB) and Williams are great athletes with Williams having elite size for an edge. Basically the Trent Baalke special. Production in college is also a tough evaluation sometimes. You want guys who have produced but sometimes the way teams run their schemes holds guys back from producing whether going with frequent substitutions or other reasons.

Both guys intrigue me a lot for us...but not at 11. I know a lot of people have Walker in the top 10 and if we lose Dre adding him wouldn't be terrible since he could provide pressure on passing downs and help us contain the mobile QBs we've struggled with in the past.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SD49er:
Jalon Carter and Mykel Williams are both very interesting prospects. It's crazy how people like Todd McShay have both as top 10; Jeremiah has Walker at 7 and Williams at 20, while PFF has Williams at 24 and Walker at 30, and B/R has Walker at 21 and Williams at 28. The dline rankings are all over the place for so many of these prospects. This draft seems to be an "in the eye of the beholder" draft.

It very much is, I've heard people say they'd rather have 2 early 3rd round picks over having late 20s first round pick.

Which is immensely retarded

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Well considering we rarely play man coverage why not take the best zone corner in the draft?

Johnson would be a beast in Saleh's scheme

This. Johnson, Lenoir and Green would be a heck of a CB trio.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You have no idea if he can play press man, that's the whole point.

why not go for Azareye'h Thomas on day 2? There's actual film of him playing press.

Azareye'h Thomas is a press-man TECHNICIAN.

He allowed a 50.2 passer rating in 2024, including 5 PBUs, 1 pick, and 0 TDs allowed.

At 6'2 200lbs, he has an elite height-weight speed combo on the boundary that teams will love.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted round 1. pic.twitter.com/Gv7Gi4UJsK

— NFL Draft Files (@NFL_DF) January 25, 2025

or Darien Porter on day 2/3? Elite athlete with size that played a ton of zone. That's where we should be taking CBs for this scheme, unless the guys a rare press-man lockdown guy like Sauce Gardner.

Well considering we rarely play man coverage why not take the best zone corner in the draft?

Johnson would be a beast in Saleh's scheme

Because you don't have to spend up on zone cover CBs.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and was I wrong? He plays NCB and some S stuff. That's totally different than playing outside in press-man.

I didn't hate cooper if that was gonna be his role (what he does in Philly currently) folks in here were trying to push him into some outside CB man cover lockdown guy, which is simply not what his film showed.

Cool man you do you, you're projecting/hoping he will be good at something he never did. I'm looking at the film and what he did to make a projection. I mean you're "projecting" the #1 CB to be good, I wouldn't call that a Leap of faith lol.

also I don't think he would be bad here. We run a s**t ton of zone and he played that. The point is you don't need to spend top picks on zone coverage CBs to have an affective secondary.

Where are you getting this stuff that he never played man coverage?

He played plenty and was pretty damn good

Press man. Please show me all his press man coverage reps…I'll wait

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Bro what you talking about he NEVER played man. Pull up his film vs Marvin Harrison dude went toe to toe with the best college WR in man coverage and held him to 3 receptions. He jammed Marvin out the club and most CBs in the NFL aren't jamming at the line it's normally off coverage and zones that become man. I get it he's not your preferred pick but you do this every year where you tear down prospects you don't want us to draft and normally I agree but you can miss me on this one my preference isn't CB but Johnson's a dog.

Please show me.

I didn't see much as far as press man goes?



im not tearing him down, I don't think he's a straight up lockdown press man CB. I think he's much better as a zone CB and I don't think that's something you need to spend up for. Hence why we don't usually draft CBs early…again I don't think it's a bad pick, I don't really see him as a special CB. I could be totally wrong.