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2024 Draft Class: OL

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

You think he can play OT at the next level?

Honestly I haven't watched much outside of what I see on X. He sounds like he's a IOL at the next level from what I've read
Originally posted by krizay:
And yet here you are repeating your same posts about wanting to talk about prospects without talking about prospects.

You said he needs to have the last word. It appears you need the last word all the same

And my previous post and next post after was about a prospect. I know what you're trying to do….move on and talk ball
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 30, 2024 at 5:35 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
And my previous post and next post after was about a prospect. I know what you're trying to do….move on and talk ball

Yes, I'm trying to get you to move on and talk ball. That is why I tried to ask you what you'd do in my hypothetical yesterday or whenever. Tried to change your focus

i know he's not 100% but these numbers are pretty poor
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 30, 2024 at 5:56 PM ]
Originally posted by krizay:
Yes, I'm trying to get you to move on and talk ball. That is why I tried to ask you what you'd do in my hypothetical yesterday or whenever. Tried to change your focus

Hey man when I have someone calling me a stupid f**k. I'm gonna say my peace. Like I said I'm done with him….too bad because I've always liked NC.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's the longest non-answer of the day. Haha

It's a very simple scenario that happens every year. Why can't you simply answer the question? I'm cool with whatever draft strategy you believe in.

I'm just not cool when inflexibility meets the team's top need (and you know all the reasons why; or at least you should as a 9er fan).

Okay, I'm genuinely confused. I already answered your question. First I explained how there is no correct answer to OG1 vs OT8 because context matters and that context changes every year. You then asked me based on my "big board" this year, and I answered.

I'll try a shorter post so that you can follow along. I would draft OL at pick 31 in the following order, according to I how I have players stacked:

Joe Alt, OT1
JC Latham, OT2
Taliese Fuanga, OT3
Olu Fashanu, OT4
Jackson Powers-Johnson, OC1
Troy Fautanu, OG1
Amarius Mims, OT5
Graham Barton, OC2

Positional rankings ignores positional versatility, for example, I believe Fuanga can move to guard and Fautanu can stick at tackle. If these players are all gone at 31, I'd look at another position.

Let me make it easier for you. If your 2nd best G was available at 31, 5th best C and 8th best T, who are you going with, narcissist?

Look, I understand this is your shtick and you're trolling - quite effectively vs some posters might I add - but at least make this entertaining for me. If I give you a plain as day answer to your (irrelevant) question, don't pretend like it's not there.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hopefully in year 8, the FO actually drafts ONE freaking player you like. One.

My original message: keep an open mind. If the 2nd best G is the BPA, the FO should probably go that route as they've proven after 7 years, the can't ID, draft and develop s**t in the later rounds.

So is the team being judged by their player evaluations, or by ours? When you say BPA, by who's perspective? Clearly you don't believe their idea of BPA has been working. So maybe no, if they have their idea of who the second best guard is and it is their opinion that he is the BPA at 31, they should probably steer clear, no? All this poor evaluation and valuation has left our team in the gutter, bottom of the league in talent, performance and results, and we should expect no different outcome from the same incapable FO taking the same terrible actions; thatd be the definition of insanity, no? Unless you're suggesting that there is a universal big board of BPAs that the whole league, minus the 49ers, are operating off of.
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's the longest non-answer of the day. Haha

It's a very simple scenario that happens every year. Why can't you simply answer the question? I'm cool with whatever draft strategy you believe in.

I'm just not cool when inflexibility meets the team's top need (and you know all the reasons why; or at least you should as a 9er fan).

Okay, I'm genuinely confused. I already answered your question. First I explained how there is no correct answer to OG1 vs OT8 because context matters and that context changes every year. You then asked me based on my "big board" this year, and I answered.

I'll try a shorter post so that you can follow along. I would draft OL at pick 31 in the following order, according to I how I have players stacked:

Joe Alt, OT1
JC Latham, OT2
Taliese Fuanga, OT3
Olu Fashanu, OT4
Jackson Powers-Johnson, OC1
Troy Fautanu, OG1
Amarius Mims, OT5
Graham Barton, OC2

Positional rankings ignores positional versatility, for example, I believe Fuanga can move to guard and Fautanu can stick at tackle. If these players are all gone at 31, I'd look at another position.

Let me make it easier for you. If your 2nd best G was available at 31, 5th best C and 8th best T, who are you going with, narcissist?

Look, I understand this is your shtick and you're trolling - quite effectively vs some posters might I add - but at least make this entertaining for me. If I give you a plain as day answer to your (irrelevant) question, don't pretend like it's not there.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hopefully in year 8, the FO actually drafts ONE freaking player you like. One.

My original message: keep an open mind. If the 2nd best G is the BPA, the FO should probably go that route as they've proven after 7 years, the can't ID, draft and develop s**t in the later rounds.

So is the team being judged by their player evaluations, or by ours? When you say BPA, by who's perspective? Clearly you don't believe their idea of BPA has been working. So maybe no, if they have their idea of who the second best guard is and it is their opinion that he is the BPA at 31, they should probably steer clear, no? All this poor evaluation and valuation has left our team in the gutter, bottom of the league in talent, performance and results, and we should expect no different outcome from the same incapable FO taking the same terrible actions; thatd be the definition of insanity, no? Unless you're suggesting that there is a universal big board of BPAs that the whole league, minus the 49ers, are operating off of.

Just let it go, back to OL prospects
At discount, I'm taking

Puni > Haynes
C. Jones > Suamataia
Nourzad > Frazier

I fear eventual LT replacement will have to wait til next year. Wyatt Milum looks the part when watching football Frazier.
[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Mar 30, 2024 at 7:05 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:

i know he's not 100% but these numbers are pretty poor

I think expecting much better than this coming off a brutal broken fibula would be asking a lot, honestly. He didn't get to train like others did and is basically just getting back into football activities. With the severity of his, I was thinking it would take six months. Teams apparently wanted multiple areas checked on his injury, making it seem like it was pretty concerning.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

i know he's not 100% but these numbers are pretty poor

I think expecting much better than this coming off a brutal broken fibula would be asking a lot, honestly. He didn't get to train like others did and is basically just getting back into football activities. With the severity of his, I was thinking it would take six months. Teams apparently wanted multiple areas checked on his injury, making it seem like it was pretty concerning.

Ya, I wouldn't be too concerned about athletic testing after having just broke his leg. Athleticism concerns don't show up on tape. If anything, testing only helps his case - shows his character and competitive nature.
[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Mar 30, 2024 at 7:47 PM ]
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Ya, I wouldn't be too concerned about athletic testing after having just broke his leg. Athleticism concerns don't show up on tape. If anything, testing only his case - shows his character and competitive nature.

All for him falling. Get that value
Originally posted by NYniner85:

i know he's not 100% but these numbers are pretty poor

I don't think those are far off JPJ or Van Pran Granger. Looks like pretty normal center numbers.
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When watching film of the OL prospects, or any college prospects, it matters a lot to know who they are going 1v1 with, some never-NFLer, or another good prospect? I find that a very difficult part of scouting college players. Either that, or you must know all the correct techniques to playing that position that allow you to analyze purely on the prospect's technique.
Originally posted by thl408:
When watching film of the OL prospects, or any college prospects, it matters a lot to know who they are going 1v1 with, some never-NFLer, or another good prospect? I find that a very difficult part of scouting college players. Either that, or you must know all the correct techniques to playing that position that allow you to analyze purely on the prospect's technique.

Thats why the Senior Bowl is so useful, and to a lesser extent the Shrine and NFLPA bowls. You get to see top prospects mix it up with other top prospects regardless of whatever program they came from.

When I look at smaller school players I try to find games where they had to compete against higher level competition. Also a nice gut check to watch a guy be on a team that is completely underclassed talent wise but he still plays his ass off and finds ways to make plays.

I think it's a lot more difficult when you have players that are on absolutely loaded teams and you try to isolate just how much they are specifically responsible for and how they respond to adversity when their team is rolling people 95% of the time.
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

i know he's not 100% but these numbers are pretty poor

I don't think those are far off JPJ or Van Pran Granger. Looks like pretty normal center numbers.

Did JPJ do the SS or 3C? He's also a solid 15lbs heavier.

Creed blew those numbers out of the water and went second to last in the 2nd rd.

I don't know man, I don't think he's touching the 1st or first half of the second
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