13th pick

Originally posted by grob23lbj:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Lol

Read please, you missed the LITE word in the sentence Sir. I'm not saying he is like Julio but to make a comparison, Julio is nothing like Tyreke Hill. I guess you wouldn't understand that many coaches view Hill as a more scarier offensive weapon than Julio right now! but if someone said that aboit Hill as a rookie or even a second year player, you would say they are crazy. What I'm saying is, these guys have potential to be great. Until they prove otherwise. I'm sure you knew Hill would be the scariest most explosive receiver coming out that draft! So much so that we all was clamoring for the 9ers to draft him. Because they sure had more than one chance! Oh wait, naw, no one cared about drafting Hill around these forums!

Originally posted by Heroism:

Read please, you missed the LITE word in the sentence Sir. I'm not saying he is like Julio but to make a comparison, Julio is nothing like Tyreke Hill. I guess you wouldn't understand that many coaches view Hill as a more scarier offensive weapon than Julio right now! but if someone said that aboit Hill as a rookie or even a second year player, you would say they are crazy. What I'm saying is, these guys have potential to be great. Until they prove otherwise. I'm sure you knew Hill would be the scariest most explosive receiver coming out that draft! So much so that we all was clamoring for the 9ers to draft him. Because they sure had more than one chance! Oh wait, naw, no one cared about drafting Hill around these forums!

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Trade 13 and 31 to the redskins.

They may can just trade 13 and Dee Ford plus a 1 round pick next year

Originally posted by grob23lbj:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
The 13th pick is up and the Niners are on the clock...the following three guys are somehow available - whom do you choose?

LT Andrew Thomas
DT Derrick Brown
WR Henry Ruggs

As bad as I feel like we need a difference maker at WR, Brown would be too hard to pass up. I really think he have the potential to be more dominant than buckner. Which would actually make our defense even better. And as good as Ruggs , I think Jeudy is more complete and have great game speed that makes him as explosive as Ruggs. I look at them like this, Ruggs is Tyreke hill lite, and Jeudy is Julio Jones lite.

I'll be honest, in order for our defense to actually get better, we are going to need a couple of things:

1. Better run defense
2. Better health (this played a huge role in teams being able to score on us in the 2nd half- along with playing better teams, but notice what happened once Dee Ford was back in the lineup).
3. More turnovers.

On offense, we can go to a different level with more explosion and can add just one player to make that happen. I'm going with receiver (Jeudy or Ruggs). The only way we're replacing Buckner is to get Aaron Donald. That ain't happening. Time to go in a different direction. You also do not need 4 great Dlineman (see KCs DLine who made their mark on the Super Bowl). Also, clearly Oline are gonna be allowed to hold against us, so again, I'm going receiver.

Guy on KNBR earlier said he liked Jeudy a lot better than Ruggs, which I have no opinion on. I have really liked all of the top 5 this past season, particularly Jefferson, who was occasionally god-like...although most on here think he is nowhere near the level of Jeudy, Ruggs or Lamb. How can you tell? Been watching for 50 years...just hard to pick which receiver will be the all-pro. Maybe they all will at some point...

The idea that we would draft a DT with the 13th pick is almost comical to me.

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Guy on KNBR earlier said he liked Jeudy a lot better than Ruggs, which I have no opinion on. I have really liked all of the top 5 this past season, particularly Jefferson, who was occasionally god-like...although most on here think he is nowhere near the level of Jeudy, Ruggs or Lamb. How can you tell? Been watching for 50 years...just hard to pick which receiver will be the all-pro. Maybe they all will at some point...

Jeudy is as smooth a route runner as you'll find. Can't really go wrong with him in any offense. Ruggs is a more scheme specific player. If you have a creative playcaller that can take full advantage of his explosiveness, you can have a real gamechanger on your hands, the type of threat that keeps defensive coordinators up at night.

Brown is a dominant DT. I would be surprised if he's not top 10.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by All22:

Ruggs. Obviously.

Andrew Thomas ain't the guard or center we need and Staley is here for another two years.

Brown is going to be a run stopping DT... We have lots of those even without Buck.

Obviously? Ruggs is definitely not BPA among those three. Thomas could very well be the long-term successor to Staley at LT - and who knows if Staley is here for another two years. Brown being there is not too realistic...there's probably no way he lasts to pick #13.

Yes, obviously. We have two franchise tackles already. Staley already said he's playing out his contract.

We're in win now mode. You don't waste a top #15 pick on a guy who you know for certain is duplicate talent.

Brown, like I said, even Donald/Watt/Buckner couldn't get to the QB in year 1 so you're drafting a run-stopper who you hope will one day learn to get sacks.

That's a waste. And again, it puts DJ Jones, Thomas etc on the bench and gives us another logjam at DT.

If he were an DE you could just move Armstead inside permenantly but he's not.

I think it will depend on what happens with Sanders. If Niners don't re-sign him, then they will certainly take a WR with that #13 pick. Can't go into the season with Samuel and then a bunch of question marks.

Originally posted by All22:
Yes, obviously. We have two franchise tackles already. Staley already said he's playing out his contract.

We're in win now mode. You don't waste a top #15 pick on a guy who you know for certain is duplicate talent.

Brown, like I said, even Donald/Watt/Buckner couldn't get to the QB in year 1 so you're drafting a run-stopper who you hope will one day learn to get sacks.

That's a waste. And again, it puts DJ Jones, Thomas etc on the bench and gives us another logjam at DT.

If he were an DE you could just move Armstead inside permenantly but he's not.

You are right. In your thinking at least. Duplicate talent with the 13th pick wouldn't be good in this case. Kinda defeat the purpose of maximizing the original move. I say we vastly improve our WR corp and get any one of these guys. I'm not a big fan of it but what if we trade back, get extra picks, get a guy that can be explosive. Maybe Mims, Reagor, then draft CB at 31. After that build depth that has the potential to be high impact players now and in the future with the extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The risk is missing the high impact singular player that has less bust potential. Quantity does not always beat quality. We always had a solid number 2 paired with Jerry Rice. I love Deebo but I don't think he's a career WR1. He'd be a stud 2 though. I feel like one or all of these top 3 WR's could be great one day.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by All22:
Ruggs. Obviously.

Andrew Thomas ain't the guard or center we need and Staley is here for another two years.

Brown is going to be a run stopping DT... We have lots of those even without Buck.

Obviously? Ruggs is definitely not BPA among those three. Thomas could very well be the long-term successor to Staley at LT - and who knows if Staley is here for another two years. Brown being there is not too realistic...there's probably no way he lasts to pick #13.

Yes, obviously. We have two franchise tackles already. Staley already said he's playing out his contract.

We're in win now mode. You don't waste a top #15 pick on a guy who you know for certain is duplicate talent.

Brown, like I said, even Donald/Watt/Buckner couldn't get to the QB in year 1 so you're drafting a run-stopper who you hope will one day learn to get sacks.

That's a waste. And again, it puts DJ Jones, Thomas etc on the bench and gives us another logjam at DT.

If he were an DE you could just move Armstead inside permenantly but he's not.

Not obviously. You're making a lot of assumptions which seem to not look at the bigger picture - especially when you're talking about the talent I listed. And, you're ignoring BPA from those three.

Staley can say one thing...we'll see what actually happens after this season. There's also the injury risk with him this late in his career. If you have the ability to draft a Top 10 LT to be his successor, you have to consider it with a guy like Thomas. It's season by season with Staley at this point in his career.

D.J. Jones, I like a lot as he's shown continuous improvement in making more of an impact...can he stay healthy and play a full 16-game season + the playoffs? I'm hoping so. And he wouldn't just be "on the bench"...he'd rotate in and get plenty of snaps given the rotation ways of this D scheme. S. Thomas has to really step it up for a #3 overall pick - another big "if".

Brown is a talent you can't make such assumptions...he most likely won't be there at #13 but if so, you have to seriously consider taking him given his disruptive playmaking abilities in the interior.

We'll agree to disagree.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by All22:

Ruggs. Obviously.

Andrew Thomas ain't the guard or center we need and Staley is here for another two years.

Brown is going to be a run stopping DT... We have lots of those even without Buck.

Obviously? Ruggs is definitely not BPA among those three. Thomas could very well be the long-term successor to Staley at LT - and who knows if Staley is here for another two years. Brown being there is not too realistic...there's probably no way he lasts to pick #13.

Yes, obviously. We have two franchise tackles already. Staley already said he's playing out his contract.

We're in win now mode. You don't waste a top #15 pick on a guy who you know for certain is duplicate talent.

Brown, like I said, even Donald/Watt/Buckner couldn't get to the QB in year 1 so you're drafting a run-stopper who you hope will one day learn to get sacks.

That's a waste. And again, it puts DJ Jones, Thomas etc on the bench and gives us another logjam at DT.

If he were an DE you could just move Armstead inside permenantly but he's not.

Not obviously. You're making a lot of assumptions which seem to not look at the bigger picture - especially when you're talking about the talent I listed. And, you're ignoring BPA from those three.

Staley can say one thing...we'll see what actually happens after this season. There's also the injury risk with him this late in his career. If you have the ability to draft a Top 10 LT to be his successor, you have to consider it with a guy like Thomas. It's season by season with Staley at this point in his career.

D.J. Jones, I like a lot as he's shown continuous improvement in making more of an impact...can he stay healthy and play a full 16-game season + the playoffs? I'm hoping so. And he wouldn't just be "on the bench"...he'd rotate in and get plenty of snaps given the rotation ways of this D scheme. S. Thomas has to really step it up for a #3 overall pick - another big "if".

Brown is a talent you can't make such assumptions...he most likely won't be there at #13 but if so, you have to seriously consider taking him given his disruptive playmaking abilities in the interior.

We'll agree to disagree.

Lynch says his mentor told him that he damn sure better have a plan for every guy he drafts. In other words, he isn't a "BPA" guy.

An offensive tackle who won't play this year or a defensive tackle who'll "rotate in" is a waste of the 13th pick.

You aren't getting a "top 10 LT" with Thomas, you're getting a backup tackle or oversized guard who will play tackle two years from now.

Another DT doesn't really make us a better team when we are already stacked at that position... Remember Armstead is a DT too.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Originally posted by pete98146:

As much as I like Kinlaw, we've invested draft capital in our DL for many years. I feel Jimmy needs help and we are in a perfect spot to draft Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb. Time to develop a much need #1 WR. We've learned from the ghost of Trent Baalke past......don't get cute and take the sure thing!

That's what's got us to the super bowl.. if you guys think AA will have anything close to this past season think again..defo got all the attention leaving AA to do his thing one on one.. pressure up the middle is a qbs worst nightmare.. And this wr class is soooo deep we can get one later...

Who and in what round? And will they clearly beat out Taylor, Hurd, Goodwin, and Pettis?

We don't need depth, we need a game changer.

Save the midround picks for RB, development CB, backup IOL, rotational DL etc.

For exactly we draft kinlaw at 13.. trade back 31 for a mid 2nd 3rd and 4th.. with how deep this wr class is a guy like Justin Jefferson or reagor or sheanult or some other guy WILL be available.. you guys it happens every year.. first round talent always slips into the 2nd sometimes 3rd rounds specially if the position is deep.. And coincidentally our need happens to be what a WR and they are saying this is probably the best and deepest receiver class ever.. just because we draft a guy in the 2nd round doesn't mean were drafting him for depth.. for example last year's draft #1 WRs were all taken in the 2nd and later rounds.. aj brown Metcalf were all #1 WRs by the end of the season.. debo and hardman were also 2nd rd picks.. I know what you guys are gonna say "whattt your crazy Jefferson reagor sheanult are first rounders".. but every single year players slide I don't know how it happens every single draft.. if the dline was as deep as the wrs this draft i would be with you but we can kill 2 brids with 1 stone and get a stud in the first and stud in the 2nd.. outside of kinlaw brown and the tcu kid the d line drops off significantly..And trading back the 31 we can for a mid 2 mid 3 and 4 gives us options on filling up other needs like a o lineman in the 3rd or te in the 4th.. you guys we lost in the Superbowl we should have won.. just because we didn't win it doesn't mean we throw out the blueprint that got us there.. we need to replace defo and keep that line our strength.. I don't know about you guys but I loved watching our line straight up overwhelm teams week in and week out.. I like watching my team straight up punk people and harass the qb every play.. I would like to keep it that way

The formula that got us to the SB was 4 10+ sack guys along the d-line. None of these DT's will have that ability in year 1... And maybe not ever. It's really hard to find 10+ sack interior guys.

We'd be better off moving Armstead inside and drafting an edge guy

Originally posted by Eastcoast49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Trade 13 and 31 to the redskins.

They may can just trade 13 and Dee Ford plus a 1 round pick next year

Absolutely not.

If we want Chase Young, it's going to take #13 overall, #31 overall, a 2021 1st AND Dee Ford just to get the conversation started.

The Redskins might be dysfunctional but they're not THAT dysfunctional.