Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

I think Cam Jordan knows a thing or two about getting to the Qb.. How about his evaluation heh... Does his evaluation count Or, or, or, or did someone from Michigan make him say that too... 🤨🤣😴😴😴😴

Hilarious...

Solomon Thomas Turbo lite

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's a really good athlete who would most likely be the #1 or #2 defensive lineman on everyones board in a normal year but this isn't a normal year. The best players are all in the D line group. The reverse is true for QB's. In a strong year for QB's, Murray, Haskins and Locke would be the 3rd or 4th picks at that position with maybe Murray the only first rounder. It happened with Alex Smith when he went #1 overall. He was good enough to be drafted in the first round but would never have gone #1 overall if it was a strong QB draft.

Seems more of a 3-tech than an edge rusher to me.

Originally posted by NTeply49:

Solomon Thomas Turbo lite

The Solomon Thomas spew-propaganda continues? Just don't disappear or be surprised when he does better than most expected..

I won't be surprised... That's a fact. The Solomon Thomas rhetoric continues...

If you do your homework... Solomon Thomas was never a Edge guy but some don't like doing homework, some love hating on him..

Pathetic

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by NTeply49:

Solomon Thomas Turbo lite

The Solomon Thomas spew-propaganda continues? Just don't disappear or be surprised when he does better than most expected..

I won't be surprised... That's a fact. The Solomon Thomas rhetoric continues...

Wu, its nothing personal, Gary is growing on me with his off-season (interviews as much as workouts) if we were picking later in the 1st, and he was up against guys like Sweat, Burns and Ferrell it would be a really interesting discussion.

Up against Bosa and Quinnen I can't get on board. As prospects go those guys are another level to everyone else in the class.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Wu, its nothing personal, Gary is growing on me with his off-season (interviews as much as workouts) if we were picking later in the 1st, and he was up against guys like Sweat, Burns and Ferrell it would be a really interesting discussion.

Up against Bosa and Quinnen I can't get on board. As prospects go those guys are another level to everyone else in the class.

It sure seems that way. Tbh. The overwhelming rhetoric and false information is overwhelming. Every teams fan base is crying oh no... not Rashan Gary..

Even with all the information out there, finding that Solomon Thomas only had 10% of his snaps on the Edge up to his senior year, undersized.. Rashan Gary had up to 50% snaps on the Edge up to his freshman year...

They are nothing a like. Videos are starting to come out on his role and how much of impact he does make.

I'm glad you see at least what I was trying to explain the way he carries himself off the field.. We needed that. On and off the field.

In a loaded defensive class such as this one with limited draft picks, a trade down is the move. He hasn't scratch the surface and most of these people saying Solomon Thomas, should watch this video and understand the role he had.

You cannot compare him to Bosa because they had different jobs-roles.. He will surpass Bosa in the NFL, doing a similar role in the NFL.. 🍎's and 🍊's IMHO. People outside of the Michigan fan base are starting to see what I have seen for a while now.

I do understand where you're coming from Wu, but when looking at prospects you need to take everything into account. If I was ranking on pure upside I'd have Gary and Brian Burns near the top of this class.

Bosa and Quinnen also have really high floors, and there's very little projection to see their path to NFL success.

Every member of the tier below Bosa and QW for me I can see as clear paths to mediocrity as I can greatness, I wouldn't trade out, for me their are 2 elite prospects and we own pick #2.

Gary is a much better athlete than Solomon Thomas, but I can see him facing the same issues outside with his bend, it just isn't consistent, could he get there? Sure, but I'm not betting passing up on Bosa (who has that bend) or Quinnen for anybody, that just happens to include Gary.

I have the same opinion on Burns & Allen (speed to power) Sweat (bend) and Ferrell (burst) that would lead me to the same conclusion.

I respect that. I just think if you watch the video though, there is a consistent theme or pattern going..

Coaches schemed away from Gary, 4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and Rutgers only gave him one ☝🏽 solo opportunity..

Lack of production the critiques say despite video showing teams consistently double teaming him, chipping him, triple teaming him.. Like dude said if they are scheming the game plan around him and the critics are still screaming lack of production. It's apparent the majority haven't really watched if they continue to disregard his impact and the diverse role he played in that defense.

The masses cannot scream lack of production and ignore or conveniently leaving out the opposing coaches creating their game plan around Rashan Gary? It's very contradicting or seems like narrative painting from the outside for any of his doubters to make that statement. Generally speaking.

One simply cannot say lack of production at the same time ignoring the tapes.. Box scores or stats.. Don't tell the whole story. I have been saying consistently. The tape doesn't lie.

Scheme has a major role in it. Said it from the very beginning.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NTeply49:
Live in Michigan bro. Been looking at Edge rushers since Garappolo went down. I actually wanted the guy to succeed. I watched every game this year. He would flash but wouldn't finish. Bush and Winnovich stood out way more to me. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they haven't done their research. If anything, I'd be more concerned of your research on prospects not from Michigan. He might be the best edge in the world to you because he is the only edge your looking at.

Anyone can make any video to support their narrative. I'm sure there are lots of good earth are flat videos as well.

Gary is a top tier talent and another project. I felt Soloman Thomas was better than Gary coming out. I would rather have Gary than him honestly based on potential, but I don't want Gary with our first rounder unless we trade back to the late 20s and even then, there are so many more players I believe will come in and contribute immediately, whereas Gary would be burried on the depth chart. He's a nice project, but we have enough big ends with no bend. If I wanted an athletic specimen on the edge for rushing the passer and develop, I'd lean toward burns then sweat, but that's just me. I just hope whoever we get ends up a 49er for life and in a gold jacket at number 2. I don't think Gary is that guy in the slightest.

Originally posted by NTeply49:

Anyone can make any video to support their narrative. I'm sure there are lots of good earth are flat videos as well.

Gary is a top tier talent and another project. I felt Soloman Thomas was better than Gary coming out. I would rather have Gary than him honestly based on potential, but I don't want Gary with our first rounder unless we trade back to the late 20s and even then, there are so many more players I believe will come in and contribute immediately, whereas Gary would be burried on the depth chart. He's a nice project, but we have enough big ends with no bend. If I wanted an athletic specimen on the edge for rushing the passer and develop, I'd lean toward burns then sweat, but that's just me. I just hope whoever we get ends up a 49er for life and in a gold jacket at number 2. I don't think Gary is that guy in the slightest.

Thanks for the info. I dont watch college ball, so this is very useful.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I respect that. I just think if you watch the video though, there is a consistent theme or pattern going..

Coaches schemed away from Gary, 4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and Rutgers only gave him one ☝🏽 solo opportunity..

Lack of production the critiques say despite video showing teams consistently double teaming him, chipping him, triple teaming him.. Like dude said if they are scheming the game plan around him and the critics are still screaming lack of production. It's apparent the majority haven't really watched if they continue to disregard his impact and the diverse role he played in that defense.

The masses cannot scream lack of production and ignore or conveniently leaving out the opposing coaches creating their game plan around Rashan Gary? It's very contradicting or seems like narrative painting from the outside for any of his doubters to make that statement. Generally speaking.

One simply cannot say lack of production at the same time ignoring the tapes.. Box scores or stats.. Don't tell the whole story. I have been saying consistently. The tape doesn't lie.

Scheme has a major role in it. Said it from the very beginning.

I'm 10 mins into the video, I've been pretty vocal about not buying too much into production, you need to know how they are playing and project it to the Pro's.

Rutgers have clearly gameplanned away from Gary, I've also seen the Ohio St Vs Rutgers game, and they did it to Bosa, I would say Bosa stood out more though.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I do understand where you're coming from Wu, but when looking at prospects you need to take everything into account. If I was ranking on pure upside I'd have Gary and Brian Burns near the top of this class.

Bosa and Quinnen also have really high floors, and there's very little projection to see their path to NFL success.

Every member of the tier below Bosa and QW for me I can see as clear paths to mediocrity as I can greatness, I wouldn't trade out, for me their are 2 elite prospects and we own pick #2.

Gary is a much better athlete than Solomon Thomas, but I can see him facing the same issues outside with his bend, it just isn't consistent, could he get there? Sure, but I'm not betting passing up on Bosa (who has that bend) or Quinnen for anybody, that just happens to include Gary.

I have the same opinion on Burns & Allen (speed to power) Sweat (bend) and Ferrell (burst) that would lead me to the same conclusion.

All the way through the video, he said a lot of what the more football savvy have said in this post, he's just taking the stance of defending him as a #8 pick, whereas most of us have been using them as reasons he isn't worth #2.

Wu, you should go and watch Bosa, the huge difference in them as edge rushers is that Gary tends to play against the whole frame of the tackle, whereas Bosa has an uncanny knack of engaging half.

They can both win with their power, but by Bosa engaging half he can manipulate them so much better, it allows him to reduce the tackles ability to get in his way on the path he intends to take and just makes him a much more effective rusher.

Originally posted by NTeply49:

Anyone can make any video to support their narrative. I'm sure there are lots of good earth are flat videos as well.

Gary is a top tier talent and another project. I felt Soloman Thomas was better than Gary coming out. I would rather have Gary than him honestly based on potential, but I don't want Gary with our first rounder unless we trade back to the late 20s and even then, there are so many more players I believe will come in and contribute immediately, whereas Gary would be burried on the depth chart. He's a nice project, but we have enough big ends with no bend. If I wanted an athletic specimen on the edge for rushing the passer and develop, I'd lean toward burns then sweat, but that's just me. I just hope whoever we get ends up a 49er for life and in a gold jacket at number 2. I don't think Gary is that guy in the slightest.

1) Can you call it a narrative when Coach Brown said it himself in regards to Gary's role?

2) Is is a narrative when the film shows teams going the opposite way?

3) Is it a narrative when you see triple, double, chip and scheming.. Remember when everyone started laughing at me because I said the very same thing?

3) Didn't Simms tell you how he blows plays up and didn't get a lot of recognition. He is the #1 guy who blows plays up but doesn't get the recognition? Because stats are not the end it be all stat...

4) You cannot compare Bosa to Gary because they didn't have the same job role.

5) It wasn't a coincidence that Chase Winovich got so much work... Because teams were scheming away from Rashan Gary..

These are facts not narrative pushing.. The narrative pushers are the one's that are screaming No to Rashan Gary because of so called "lack of production" Ignoring his sophomore year which he was top ten in pressures?

Let's go by facts. You can see teams game planning around Gary... Similar to teams taking the best player out... That opens up for other players....

That's Impact whether the box score lovers refuse to admit it or not. Stats don't tell the whole story.. Bosa might be more polished now but Rashan Gary will have the better career imho...

It is a narrative though, when some scream lack of production and refuse or ignore to research the prospect correctly at the same time spewing "lack of production" It's contradictory. It really is.

You cannot ignore the teams game planning to take him out the game and say lack of production. One cannot. It's an oxymoron. It's contradictory.

When given the chance with one on ones.. He was-is able to embarrass tackles and tight ends while injured... Helleva ceiling... Heh?

He demands double and triple teams... It's a requirement with him.. Comes with the package. Free him up, let him roam.. Chaos will occur on that offense line. Gary and Buckner please..