GRADING THE DRAFT: A Head Scratcher !!!

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
LOL.

There are a lot of really funny comments and tidbits in here. That is my first impression from your post............

Feel free to share us your intelligence..

When SanDiego, of all posters, is roasting you, you've done messed up.

Actually I really liked his post. I just found it funny in some ways in which he said things. It was honest and from the heart and with a lot of emotion and it just cracked me up. I actually agree with some of the points he made strongly. I find nothing real bad about the post just to clarify. So I'm sorry if people took that the wrong way because it was not at all intended that way.

This draft has proven to me that I see the way the roster should be built very differently than the team does, which is a first in several years. It was a very deflating experience for me and has me down on the whole process.

no no no... everything's good... like I said earlier, no harm no foul..

What annoys me the most about the draft is the fact that look around our division.. We're talkin about a division that can go to any team because of the QBs..

Grappy to Goff to Wilson... now Arizona just drafted a guy who can be as good as Rodgers.. Wilson is so damn good that he lead the league in TD last year w/o any legitimate weapons... Goff and the Rams have only shown us a glimpse of their young talent.. Tho Jimmy did took us out of the TOP 3 picks of this year's draft, I still say he's UNPROVEN... Arizona is a year or two away from contending but at least, they now have some kind of hope after drafting Rosen...

We needed this draft to land players to fill in the missing puzzle... we have no PASS RUSH.. no true WR.. and no RB up to this point.. instead, we drafted players who are mirror image of players we already have..

Originally posted by 9moon:
no no no... everything's good... like I said earlier, no harm no foul..

What annoys me the most about the draft is the fact that look around our division.. We're talkin about a division that can go to any team because of the QBs..

Grappy to Goff to Wilson... now Arizona just drafted a guy who can be as good as Rodgers.. Wilson is so damn good that he lead the league in TD last year w/o any legitimate weapons... Goff and the Rams have only shown us a glimpse of their young talent.. Tho Jimmy did took us out of the TOP 3 picks of this year's draft, I still say he's UNPROVEN... Arizona is a year or two away from contending but at least, they now have some kind of hope after drafting Rosen...

We needed this draft to land players to fill in the missing puzzle... we have no PASS RUSH.. no true WR.. and no RB up to this point.. instead, we drafted players who are mirror image of players we already have..

We did get a lot of mirror image players of what we already have. That does annoy me a lot. But pass rush and the failure to fix it and get one is a huge problem. I'm a lot softer on the Mcglinchey pick now than my first reaction on the first day. It looks like we had an absolute disaster there at RT upon further investigation. So maybe they felt compelled to do that. I understand it to a point. I really do. He is the most technically sound and ready to play. But I doubt he will ever be great and we passed up pass rushers to get him. I'm not sure about that move overall. With a huge hole and a huge problem I understand it. I just don't like it in some ways. I think Fred Warner can be good or really good. The blazing fast DB we got from the small school may surprise. I like that pick. He's got a huge upside.

There are just a lot of fails in the draft overall too. No pass rush is just bad, bad, bad. It looks like we reached a lot for need and not best available player especially early which I think is the worst time to do that. Top 10 you need the best player on the board. I'm not sure if he was? But given the circumstances that have since come out I'm a little softer on them and I actually understand it some ways. That doesn't mean I totally like it and am all excited about it.

I give it a C+.

This draft is a D in my book. Maybe a C- if you catch me in a good mood.

I'm fine with McGlinchey and I like Warner. The rest of the picks I found really disappointing and frustrating.

Rather than break down each pick I want to talk about why I feel like this draft was negligent.

I know that "build through the draft" and "always go BPA" are popular refrains around here. And both philosophies have merit. But you can't do both. Doing both means you are flat out ignoring holes that can keep your team from making the playoffs. If you "build through the draft" then you are accepting that you will not plug holes through FA. That's fine, if you're going to try to plug those holes in the draft. But if you're committed to BPA then you are essentially just letting the draft happen to you. You are passively accepting whatever positions you end up with. When you do both of these things together you end up going an entire offseason totally ignoring issues that kept you down the previous year. To me, that's negligence on the part of the GM.

My other comments is that the failure of this draft isn't just in how these surprising picks do. It's rooted in the players they passed on. There were some great players sitting there for us and we ignored them for unknown flyers. When guys like Obo, St Brown, Bo Scarborough, Tate and Ateman were all there late we should have been cleaning up. But instead we were digging up long shots.

Originally posted by 9moon:
1) OT - Mike McGlinchey - The Roq was taken so this had to be the pick.
Though I fullly believed that we could have traded down and still land him,
there's really nothing to complain about since he can be a solid at the position
for the next 10 years.

Grade: A

2) WR - Dante Pettis - A mixture between the speedster Goodwin and the quickster Taylor
and it's the reason why I don't get this pick. After moving up to this spot
you almost wanna believe that we are targeting a possible #1WR, or better
yet, another CB or a pass rusher. Personally, I think we did not need to
trade up to land this guy.
Grade: C
3) LB - Fred Warner - We hit the bullseye on this guy. His motor will be running 110 miles per hour
for all 4 quarters. When all said and done, he will be the face of this draft class
for the 49ers.

Grade: A

3) FS - Tarvarius Moore - The guy is a PURE football player. He knows the game, and Lynch loves him
because he's very physical. The team projects him as a CB, so if he can learn and
play this position once Sherman is ready to walk away, then we just found a
Diamond in the Rough.

Grade: C+

4) DT - Kentavius Street - A junkyard type of player. The kid got drafted because of he's got that
" I Want It" in him.. I watched NCST 3x last year, and this guy is just hungry.
Tho considered a damaged good, he's a poor man's Solomon Thomas.

Grade: C

5) CB - DJ Reed - He will compete for the Nickel Back position, but we just drafted one in Tarvarius
as he learns how to play corner. We could have used this pick to draft a pass rusher
who had fallen this far.

Grade: C

6) SS - Marcell Harrs - I don't care who or which GM you are, when you draft a player who was hurt
the year before, it only means that you are in love with his talent. Special Team As
I hope??

Grade: C-

7) DT - Jullian Taylor - Another DT?? Is this guy just a "placeholder" or are they serious about what
talent or promised seen? Did we not need a DE???

Grade: D

7) WR - Richie James - And yet, another slot receiver. Behold Camelot !!! Dawn of a New Offense is
coming !! Are we really going to see the innauguration of Shanahan's 4 Set of
Dimunative WRs?? aka MOUSEKEETERS???

Grade: D

Nice breakdown. I don't agree with everything but can understand where you're coming from.

For me the McGlinchey pick was a bit of a gut punch but that was mostly because I was a huge fan of Landry and thought Brown was going to be on the team. Obviously Landry fell all the way to 41 or wherever he went so clearly whether medical reasons or play reasons taking him at #9 would've been a reach. Also I felt much better about that pick after Oakland traded back and took Miller who IMO had no business going that high and pretty much confirmed McGlinchey would've been Oakland's pick at 10. That and us trading Brown away made the pick so much better to take.

The Pettis trade up was another surprise. I wanted us to make the jump up for Landry in the worst way but obviously knew he was off the board when we moved up but I was thinking maybe we were targeting another edge rusher or Isaiah Oliver. I don't dislike Pettis but honestly was surprised we traded up for a WR. With guys like Deasean Hamilton or Gallup going in the 3rd round I certainly hope Pettis ends up being a stud because we could've gotten a guy like Sam Hubbard at the pick we traded away to get him.

The other picks I didn't really mind outside of Street and Harris and it's certainly not cuz of their talent.

Overall I'm still excited...it may not be the same with like a draft the Broncos have where it's chalk full of sexy names and big time prospects but I keep going back to the free agent signings we had last year and I really wasn't impressed by any of them and felt we were just getting scraps because nobody wanted to play here but all of those guys ended up playing great in Kyle's scheme so if Kyle can identify these guys and bring up their play then I'm sure as hell not going to pretend I know better.

If he thought Pettis was worth moving up for then I'm going to STFU and see how it goes. Even if he contributes on special teams only as a rookie but helps that area in a big way and gets some TDs then it's a win.

Hope the guys we have on the roster prove the front office right in not touching edge rushers in this class.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
This draft is a D in my book. Maybe a C- if you catch me in a good mood.

I'm fine with McGlinchey and I like Warner. The rest of the picks I found really disappointing and frustrating.

Rather than break down each pick I want to talk about why I feel like this draft was negligent.

I know that "build through the draft" and "always go BPA" are popular refrains around here. And both philosophies have merit. But you can't do both. Doing both means you are flat out ignoring holes that can keep your team from making the playoffs. If you "build through the draft" then you are accepting that you will not plug holes through FA. That's fine, if you're going to try to plug those holes in the draft. But if you're committed to BPA then you are essentially just letting the draft happen to you. You are passively accepting whatever positions you end up with. When you do both of these things together you end up going an entire offseason totally ignoring issues that kept you down the previous year. To me, that's negligence on the part of the GM.

My other comments is that the failure of this draft isn't just in how these surprising picks do. It's rooted in the players they passed on. There were some great players sitting there for us and we ignored them for unknown flyers. When guys like Obo, St Brown, Bo Scarborough, Tate and Ateman were all there late we should have been cleaning up. But instead we were digging up long shots.

Trust me I get where you're coming from...i'd love this draft much more if we landed Obo or one of the big receivers late but at the end of the day if you've followed the draft for a while then you've seen teams whose draft looks AMAZING because they're getting all of these mega talented players that all the draftniks have been hyping up all offseason leading into the draft and 3 years later maybe one of those guys is on the roster and he's not even that great.

Meanwhile you have teams drafting players who everyone laughed at and claimed they were reaches and the fan base is livid at the results and that draft class ends up being the foundation for that team for years to come.

I don't think this draft class will do that only because we kind of went heavy in the same position but when it's said and done some of these guys you're not impressed by could be starters while those others are street free agents moving on to their X team.

Honestly the only draft pick that left me confused was the Streets pick. I don't think SF is in a position to be stowing away ACL picks. I like beefing up the secondary and that was a strength of this class, so draft where the strengths are....I'm down for that.

Moon you gotta include Jimmy G into the draft because it was a pick for this yr.

I'm a big fan of Pettis love his skill set. McGlinchey was not who I wanted but they clearly weren't gonna resign Brown so I understand the pick. Warner was a draft crush love everything about that kid. I also like the Moore pic if the plan is to move him to CB.

overall I give the draft a B-

IMO this draft class overall was not very good.

I liked the draft! I know people were upset the niners didn't go with any bigger names but you got to realize Lynch got a solid player with nearly every pick last season! When you grade the swapping of tackles you have to include the 12 million a year we will save in salary which can be used to bring in another free agent or resign our players! So it's Brown for McGlinchey plus a top flight free agent!

Originally posted by SFBuckeye:

I liked the draft! I know people were upset the niners didn't go with any bigger names but you got to realize Lynch got a solid player with nearly every pick last season! When you grade the swapping of tackles you have to include the 12 million a year we will save in salary which can be used to bring in another free agent or resign our players! So it's Brown for McGlinchey plus a top flight free agent!

If they make a move for a top flight free agent. So far we've been hesitant in free agency on top of being underwhelming in the draft.

I do agree that last year's class which I also did not like turned out better than expected. By a lot. So I am giving Lynch more leeway than I would anyone else. But despite last year being a general success there were still guys I wanted them to take that they passed on. But I maintain they should have drafted these guys (kamara and juju for example).

The point is, just because I'm will to give Lynch some trust doesn't mean I can pretend I'm happy with draft. Or that I don't think many of the players we passed on will out perform the ones we took.

Originally posted by 9moon:

no no no... everything's good... like I said earlier, no harm no foul..

What annoys me the most about the draft is the fact that look around our division.. We're talkin about a division that can go to any team because of the QBs..

Grappy to Goff to Wilson... now Arizona just drafted a guy who can be as good as Rodgers.. Wilson is so damn good that he lead the league in TD last year w/o any legitimate weapons... Goff and the Rams have only shown us a glimpse of their young talent.. Tho Jimmy did took us out of the TOP 3 picks of this year's draft, I still say he's UNPROVEN... Arizona is a year or two away from contending but at least, they now have some kind of hope after drafting Rosen...

We needed this draft to land players to fill in the missing puzzle... we have no PASS RUSH.. no true WR.. and no RB up to this point.. instead, we drafted players who are mirror image of players we already have..

No legitimate weapons? Jimmy Graham and Doug Baldwin are definitely legit weapons. He led the league in tds because they had absolutely zero running game so he had to throw. The Hawks offense was below average.

No true wr? A guy that damn near had 1000k yards isnt a true WR?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
no no no... everything's good... like I said earlier, no harm no foul..

What annoys me the most about the draft is the fact that look around our division.. We're talkin about a division that can go to any team because of the QBs..

Grappy to Goff to Wilson... now Arizona just drafted a guy who can be as good as Rodgers.. Wilson is so damn good that he lead the league in TD last year w/o any legitimate weapons... Goff and the Rams have only shown us a glimpse of their young talent.. Tho Jimmy did took us out of the TOP 3 picks of this year's draft, I still say he's UNPROVEN... Arizona is a year or two away from contending but at least, they now have some kind of hope after drafting Rosen...

We needed this draft to land players to fill in the missing puzzle... we have no PASS RUSH.. no true WR.. and no RB up to this point.. instead, we drafted players who are mirror image of players we already have..

No legitimate weapons? Jimmy Graham and Doug Baldwin are definitely legit weapons. He led the league in tds because they had absolutely zero running game so he had to throw. The Hawks offense was below average.

No true wr? A guy that damn near had 1000k yards isnt a true WR?

Can you tell me where you rank DOUG BALDWIN among the WRs in the NFL??

While you're at it, may as well find out NFL's leading receivers in 2017 and tell me where both your WEAPONS (Baldwin and Graham) at..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

You forgot to mention our 2nd round pick spent on Jimmy Garoppolo. Grade: ?

A++ for the trade, that's a given..

But I can't include him as part of this draft for the obvious reason that he wasn't drafted this year..

But he was paid for by a pick from this year, which was my point.