Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by njninersfan420:

I'm starting to think some of this bosa hate is political. Bosa is apparently a maga guy,and I think that has people looking for reasons to hate him. After months of anti bosa posts, I'm really thinking that has a something to do with the vitriol.

I don't even care if Nick Bosa is MAGA. I hope he see every opposing QB as a liberal and sacks them.

— Victory Lap 🏁 (@A_Flawed_King) October 29, 2018

As someone who leans more left... I concurr.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
If you want a former rookie defensive player of the year and all-pro caliber edge rusher, then I guess that's your guy.

All-Pro... Probably not... But probably makes a bunch of Pro-Bowls.

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Basically, you are getting Joey. If you're good with that at #2, then that's your guy.

aaannnd that's supposed to be a bad thing??

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

If you want a former rookie defensive player of the year and all-pro caliber edge rusher, then I guess that's your guy.

All-Pro... Probably not... But probably makes a bunch of Pro-Bowls.

Yea it's hard to get All-pro. I'm assuming Garrett will get a lot of those in the coming years.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Content? As if they have a choice in the matter. They dropped an early 1st on a guy that has so far been a meh player. They've succeeded more in spite of his performance than because of it.

Your a smart dude, you know the point I was making. Mcginist liked him as a prospect, mcginist understands what a winning front 7 unit looks like, philly drafted him, philly won a super Bowl, philly has managed one of the nfls best defensive fronts, philly is looking to expand his role and is excited about it. I never suggested he was as good as Garrett individually, even mcginist said Garrett was a freak but that Barnett was part of a better team(unit). I'm just pointing out that you can't knock mcginists opinion with that example, and that both he and woody see things from a "how you win" perspective and not individual traits like fans,media, and most scouts do. They think bosa is very good but ordinary as it relates to winning which the same position I've held all along so it's refreshing to see champions are thinking the same way.

I do like bosa a lot believe it or not I just think lynch can do better than very good but ordinary with #2

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Content? As if they have a choice in the matter. They dropped an early 1st on a guy that has so far been a meh player. They've succeeded more in spite of his performance than because of it.

Your a smart dude, you know the point I was making. Mcginist liked him as a prospect, mcginist understands what a winning front 7 unit looks like, philly drafted him, philly won a super Bowl, philly has managed one of the nfls best defensive fronts, philly is looking to expand his role and is excited about it. I never suggested he was as good as Garrett individually, even mcginist said Garrett was a freak but that Barnett was part of a better team(unit). I'm just pointing out that you can't knock mcginists opinion with that example, and that both he and woody see things from a "how you win" perspective and not individual traits like fans,media, and most scouts do. They think bosa is very good but ordinary as it relates to winning which the same position I've held all along so it's refreshing to see champions are thinking the same way.

I do like bosa a lot believe it or not I just think lynch can do better than very good but ordinary with #2

You're making mountains out of those mole hill comments.

He straight up said Barnett was the best pass rusher out of this class. It had nothing to do with building a better team or any crap like that. You think drafting a lesser player is somehow building a better team? You think the Eagles wouldn't have gladly traded Barnett for Garrett?

Their opinions are just opinions. They don't make them any better than other people's opinions just because they played on winning teams before.

Willie averaged less than 6 sacks per season over his career. He made the pro bowl twice in his career.

Woody made the pro bowl 1 time in his career.

They're not scouts. They're not general managers...not like those guys are right 100% of the time.

Using their points to say "see this guy shouldn't be a top 2 pick" is silly. There are plenty of people who think otherwise. As I said before the thing that makes draft prospects into great NFL players is more of what's going on upstairs. That's the hardest thing to predict when doing draft evaluations.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Your a smart dude, you know the point I was making. Mcginist liked him as a prospect, mcginist understands what a winning front 7 unit looks like, philly drafted him, philly won a super Bowl, philly has managed one of the nfls best defensive fronts, philly is looking to expand his role and is excited about it. I never suggested he was as good as Garrett individually, even mcginist said Garrett was a freak but that Barnett was part of a better team(unit). I'm just pointing out that you can't knock mcginists opinion with that example, and that both he and woody see things from a "how you win" perspective and not individual traits like fans,media, and most scouts do. They think bosa is very good but ordinary as it relates to winning which the same position I've held all along so it's refreshing to see champions are thinking the same way.

I do like bosa a lot believe it or not I just think lynch can do better than very good but ordinary with #2

Dude you're back tracking and so off topic at this point.

Ole Willie threw out some garbage about Barnett being better than Myles...it was a horrible take. Period

no way he's really that dumb, like I said these guy have different reasons for throwing out takes like this when they're job isn't based on draft evaluating.

What's even funnier is what he said made Barnett the best edge rusher ( technique/strength) its is the same s**t Bosa is good at and he and woody both said that lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bopicksix:
Your a smart dude, you know the point I was making. Mcginist liked him as a prospect, mcginist understands what a winning front 7 unit looks like, philly drafted him, philly won a super Bowl, philly has managed one of the nfls best defensive fronts, philly is looking to expand his role and is excited about it. I never suggested he was as good as Garrett individually, even mcginist said Garrett was a freak but that Barnett was part of a better team(unit). I'm just pointing out that you can't knock mcginists opinion with that example, and that both he and woody see things from a "how you win" perspective and not individual traits like fans,media, and most scouts do. They think bosa is very good but ordinary as it relates to winning which the same position I've held all along so it's refreshing to see champions are thinking the same way.

I do like bosa a lot believe it or not I just think lynch can do better than very good but ordinary with #2

Dude you're back tracking and so off topic at this point.

Ole Willie threw out some garbage about Barnett being better than Myles...it was a horrible take. Period

no way he's really that dumb, like I said these guy have different reasons for throwing out takes like this when they're job isn't based on draft evaluating.

What's even funnier is what he said made Barnett the best edge rusher ( technique/strength) its is the same s**t Bosa is good at and he and woody both said that lol.

Excellent point. Barnett tested slower/less explosive than Bosa pretty much across the board outside of the 3 cone where he ran a 6.96 vs Bosa's 7.1 and Broad jump of 1 inch higher while being 7 lbs lighter.

And there he was being the best of the group that year. Go figure.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Basically, you are getting Joey. If you're good with that at #2, then that's your guy.

aaannnd that's supposed to be a bad thing??

Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

Ahmm....so you think Bosa isn't good enough to draft at 2 so you solution is to trade DOWN and draft someone AS good as Bosa right now but who can get better?

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

The whole have problems with long armed OTs is a poop take.

This OT is 6-8 with vines for arms (also a 4 star recruit)

FYI we have a true speed rusher in Ford already....go watch Bosa on 3rd downs and tell me he's not explosive. Burns whom I like (Noles fan) is fast and very twitchy, his lower half is....



He's gonna have a real problem with strength at the next level and staying on the field all 3 downs IMO.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

Ahmm....so you think Bosa isn't good enough to draft at 2 so you solution is to trade DOWN and draft someone AS good as Bosa right now but who can get better?

I didn't say Bosa is not good enough. Everyone is expecting us to pick him there. For now, it makes sense. Also, Burns is different than Bosa. Bosa is definitely better against the run at this point and his speed to power move is better. Burns' speed and bend will faire better in the long run and his speed to power move will improve. Especially as his 20 year old body grows into manhood. With our current ability to push the middle with Defo and others, the outside speed rush will fit better. I am not trying to diss Bosa. He is practically a finished product now. He will be good. I am saying, if we get a good trade down offer, make sure we get Burns. Only time will tell us the conclusion of all our opinions. Tough job being a GM.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

The whole have problems with long armed OTs is a poop take.

This OT is 6-8 with vines for arms (also a 4 star recruit)

Everyone is tweeting about Nick Bosa so here's a video of a Nick Bosa strip sack for a defensive touchdown. Nick Bosa is very good at football.
(🎥: @PFF_Steve)pic.twitter.com/C7PrxrJrdm

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 28, 2019

FYI we have a true speed rusher in Ford already....go watch Bosa on 3rd downs and tell me he's not explosive. Burns whom I like (Noles fan) is fast and very twitchy, his lower half is....



He's gonna have a real problem with strength at the next level and staying on the field all 3 downs IMO.

I told you not to post pictures of me that I sent you on here ^^

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

Ahmm....so you think Bosa isn't good enough to draft at 2 so you solution is to trade DOWN and draft someone AS good as Bosa right now but who can get better?

I didn't say Bosa is not good enough. Everyone is expecting us to pick him there. For now, it makes sense. Also, Burns is different than Bosa. Bosa is definitely better against the run at this point and his speed to power move is better. Burns' speed and bend will faire better in the long run and his speed to power move will improve. Especially as his 20 year old body grows into manhood. With our current ability to push the middle with Defo and others, the outside speed rush will fit better. I am not trying to diss Bosa. He is practically a finished product now. He will be good. I am saying, if we get a good trade down offer, make sure we get Burns. Only time will tell us the conclusion of all our opinions. Tough job being a GM.

I'm a big Burns fan but unless we're trading down to #4 we're not guaranteed Burns will be there. I'm sure we wouldn't be the only team thinking Burns is a great option but whether I agree with them or not there is a lot of people who don't have Burns graded as high as I or others do.

Maybe if we trade down to 6 he'll still be there but if we get lower then you're running a risk he'll be gone.

At some point you have to just take the best player and not risk going for "better potential" sometimes those guys never reach that potential then you've moved down, missed out on a sure thing for more potential which never even comes close to the original player.

In this case whether it's Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams there is a great prospect to be had at #2 overall. This isn't 2017 where there was a clear drop in talent after Garrett.

No reason to get cute. Take the stud.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Not at all. He is not a speed guy really and will have trouble with long armed tackles as he did in college. And there are a lot more of them in the NFL than College. That said, I do think he will have a solid career. Possibly a Pro Bowl or two and that's good. Personally, I would rather trade down and get an already good pass rusher like Bosa but with more upside. I think Burns will end up having the better career over all the pass rushers in the draft and he will be effective immediately. Just my opinion.

The whole have problems with long armed OTs is a poop take.

This OT is 6-8 with vines for arms (also a 4 star recruit)

Everyone is tweeting about Nick Bosa so here's a video of a Nick Bosa strip sack for a defensive touchdown. Nick Bosa is very good at football.
(🎥: @PFF_Steve)pic.twitter.com/C7PrxrJrdm

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 28, 2019

FYI we have a true speed rusher in Ford already....go watch Bosa on 3rd downs and tell me he's not explosive. Burns whom I like (Noles fan) is fast and very twitchy, his lower half is....



He's gonna have a real problem with strength at the next level and staying on the field all 3 downs IMO.

I told you not to post pictures of me that I sent you on here ^^

Damn bro you got those running legs