Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I can't pick just one - I love them the same equally.

All mayo wants is the news. Give him the damn news!

That's right, just give me the goddamn news.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Nick Bosa (@nbsmallerbear) uses better leverage, play strength & inside hands to floor the OL. Bosa then dives & sacks Mayfield! #Buckeyes #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/06mhfyeCFL

— DLineVids 2.0 (@dlinevids1) April 2, 2019

-High motor
-Student of the game
-Brings his lunch pail to work everyday

yeah but that break off speed slow af lol....hes the last one to move off the line lol

That's a first down play...

LOL, that lets you know the level of conversation we're having in here. "His get-off isn't very good when he has to read run/pass!!!"

SMH. Watch his get-off on 3rd and long. No issues there. Move along.

now im not saying a god at watching tape and stuff, but isn't the rest of the line readin run/pass aswell? Also if we're gonna spend the 2nd round pick on someone like that wouldn't we want someone that to the naked eye isn't slow with get off speed for our edge rusher? or do we want another solly thomas. I could be wrong, too but i'm just being more open minded about him. Can you post some 3rd and long videos of him rushing, I would like to watch it and compare. Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's ridiculous. He was a true sophomore and playing limited snaps. He put up numbers similar to what Aaron Donald did last year.

He averaged less sacks per snap to Donald last year.
He averaged more hurries and hits per snap to Donald last year.

The idea that he wasn't showing things on tape that popped is ridiculous.

He missed a chunk of this season where he was starting to show another level of play but yet people want to go back to his early tape from his 2nd season playing as proof of why he's overrated?

It's not a typical circumstance but he was rated as the #1 prospect because of what he did and the projection of how he would improve as a junior with more playing time.

You can complain about his competition but you play who you play. He had 4 sacks, 6 TFL in 3 games. He was straight up dominating before his injury.

so now you are comparing him against college opponents to Donald against NFL opposition?

Why not? If people claim Bosa didn't do anything impressive in college yet his numbers per snap match up with the defensive player of the year?

I respect a lot of your arguments but when you start to compare the production a player has in college to that of a dominant player in the NFL whose production is against the best players in the world as opposed to a bunch of players who probably will never see the light of day in the NFL, then there is even no point in having a discussion about it because you have already decided that Nick Bosa is going to be the best player in the NFL, yet in college there are players with better numbers than him but in that instance production does not matter because they are not named Bosa.
Okay I get the narrative now.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Originally posted by genus49:
Someone else brought this up earlier, along with Willie McGinest's take on Bosa and it should tell you as much as Kyle Long saying Solomon Thomas was the best player in the draft in 2017.

NFL players know the game very well but they're not better than scouts, in fact I highly doubt Woody or McGinest actually sat down and watched Nick's film. I'm pretty certain they throw on the highlights and check the stats like most casual draft followers. They don't get paid for their draft breakdowns. If Bosa goes on to win DROY and then defensive MVP on to a HOF career nobody will fire them.

And guys have their own bias. Bill Polian/Charlie Casserly whichever old white GM it was talking about Dwayne Haskins as being a mobile QB is a perfect example.

The film shows while he may not be Von Miller, he's got plenty of athletic ability to go with the hands, the technique. Maybe he won't be someone breaking the sack record but he'd be someone other teams fear.

So basically what you are saying is that if their opinion does not match yours, they are casual draft followers and don't actually watch film but highlights, yet they are actually paid to be analyst, but since you say that's how it is I guess you must be right then, If someone else's opinion does not mirror yours, you don't actually have to put them down, they are allowed to have a different opinion to you and it was Stephen A Smith that called Haskins a mobile quarterback and not Polian or Casserly.

I was wrong about who said the Haskins thing. Still was said by a "paid analyst"

But what I said was those guys have biases like we all do and what they don't get paid for are their draft predictions. Scouts bomb on their rankings and they lose their jobs. So do GMs and coaches. Willie McGinest, Damien Woody aren't paid for their draft evaluations.

Here is Mcginest talking about watching tape on Bosa (@ 0:49)
https://youtu.be/9zaUVYx2u_8?t=39

Here is Woody talking about Watching tape on Bosa (@ 7:40)
https://youtu.be/QYEQHH_25o8?t=460

But I guess you are saying that they are liars and have not really watched any tapes or maybe they have some kind of grudge or bias against him.
I guess anyone who does not rate him as highly as you do is biased because they are not allowed to have a negative opinion on him or maybe they are not allowed to see something on film that they don't like, I understand that you love him as a prospect but that does not mean everyone that does not is biased or has an agenda, everyone on that ESPN panel did not think he was the top prospect in the draft but I guess they must all be biased then.

I know what I see on tape but that's my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion because everyone sees something different when they watch tape it does not mean they are wrong or right all that really matters is the opinion of the GM that drafts him so if we do take him i'd support him and hope he gets 15 sacks a season but it doesn't mean that the negative opinions of him are all wrong because it does not suit your narrative.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He is pure fantasy of projections of what people want him to become. He has not put up any production. He has not shown he can stay healthy. He will be injured for the year by week 3. He will always tease you. People will be waiting for that year where he can stay healthy and put up some production. A year which will never come in his career.

If only he was injury proof like Rashaad Penny right?

Originally posted by marc1_007:
Here is Mcginest talking about watching tape on Bosa (@ 0:49)
https://youtu.be/9zaUVYx2u_8?t=39

Here is Woody talking about Watching tape on Bosa (@ 7:40)
https://youtu.be/QYEQHH_25o8?t=460

But I guess you are saying that they are liars and have not really watched any tapes or maybe they have some kind of grudge or bias against him.
I guess anyone who does not rate him as highly as you do is biased because they are not allowed to have a negative opinion on him or maybe they are not allowed to see something on film that they don't like, I understand that you love him as a prospect but that does not mean everyone that does not is biased or has an agenda, everyone on that ESPN panel did not think he was the top prospect in the draft but I guess they must all be biased then.

I know what I see on tape but that's my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion because everyone sees something different when they watch tape it does not mean they are wrong or right all that really matters is the opinion of the GM that drafts him so if we do take him i'd support him and hope he gets 15 sacks a season but it doesn't mean that the negative opinions of him are all wrong because it does not suit your narrative.

and MJD has Quinnen Williams' going 14th to the falcons lol....guess we should take what he says seriously too Sure you can have your opinions on a player, we all can.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
and MJD has Quinnen Williams' going 14th to the falcons lol....guess we should take what he says seriously too Sure you can have your opinions on a player, we all can.

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
and MJD has Quinnen Williams' going 14th to the falcons lol....guess we should take what he says seriously too Sure you can have your opinions on a player, we all can.

lol

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's ridiculous. He was a true sophomore and playing limited snaps. He put up numbers similar to what Aaron Donald did last year.

He averaged less sacks per snap to Donald last year.
He averaged more hurries and hits per snap to Donald last year.

The idea that he wasn't showing things on tape that popped is ridiculous.

He missed a chunk of this season where he was starting to show another level of play but yet people want to go back to his early tape from his 2nd season playing as proof of why he's overrated?

It's not a typical circumstance but he was rated as the #1 prospect because of what he did and the projection of how he would improve as a junior with more playing time.

You can complain about his competition but you play who you play. He had 4 sacks, 6 TFL in 3 games. He was straight up dominating before his injury.

so now you are comparing him against college opponents to Donald against NFL opposition?

Why not? If people claim Bosa didn't do anything impressive in college yet his numbers per snap match up with the defensive player of the year?

I respect a lot of your arguments but when you start to compare the production a player has in college to that of a dominant player in the NFL whose production is against the best players in the world as opposed to a bunch of players who probably will never see the light of day in the NFL, then there is even no point in having a discussion about it because you have already decided that Nick Bosa is going to be the best player in the NFL, yet in college there are players with better numbers than him but in that instance production does not matter because they are not named Bosa.
Okay I get the narrative now.

You're missing the point I think.

The comparison isn't to say Bosa will be the Aaron Donald of DEs. I don't think he's that good of a prospect because Donald's season last year is off the charts scary!

My point was for the people who claim Bosa had no production in COLLEGE. So the comparison was to show that his production per pass rush snap was close to what Aaron Donald did in the NFL on his way to defensive player of the year.

In essence...if that type of production was good enough to earn Aaron DPOY, how is similar production from Bosa somehow him not producing at all in college?

And for the record I never said Bosa will be be the best player in the NFL. He may not even be the best DE in this draft 5+ years from now. However he's about as sure a thing IMO given what we already have on this roster so I'm rolling with him over QW who I love but don't think he improves our roster quite as well as Bosa does just due to the positional value and positional cost. And I'm rolling with him over Josh Allen who while I like I think he needs more work to have the success he had in college in the NFL the way he rushes. Ditto Brian Burns.

3 more weeks of this bull crap (this f'n thread!), and then another 5 months of how he's another John Engelberger when this gets moved to NinerTalk.

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Originally posted by marc1_007:
Here is Mcginest talking about watching tape on Bosa (@ 0:49)
https://youtu.be/9zaUVYx2u_8?t=39

Here is Woody talking about Watching tape on Bosa (@ 7:40)
https://youtu.be/QYEQHH_25o8?t=460

But I guess you are saying that they are liars and have not really watched any tapes or maybe they have some kind of grudge or bias against him.
I guess anyone who does not rate him as highly as you do is biased because they are not allowed to have a negative opinion on him or maybe they are not allowed to see something on film that they don't like, I understand that you love him as a prospect but that does not mean everyone that does not is biased or has an agenda, everyone on that ESPN panel did not think he was the top prospect in the draft but I guess they must all be biased then.

I know what I see on tape but that's my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion because everyone sees something different when they watch tape it does not mean they are wrong or right all that really matters is the opinion of the GM that drafts him so if we do take him i'd support him and hope he gets 15 sacks a season but it doesn't mean that the negative opinions of him are all wrong because it does not suit your narrative.

Don't we all have a little bias? Not everyone looks for the same things in a player.

If Justin Smith watches tape and Willie McGinest watches tape do you think they have the same opinion on players?

And I'm not calling him a liar but I do question how much tape he watched. Scouts and people who have an actual reason to evaluate talent watching tape vs a football analyst just talking about something during the offseason is very different.

He's allowed to have his opinion like anyone else...all I'm saying is some people throwing out those videos like proof on why he's not worth #2 overall doesn't prove anything. Anyone in the media MAY(not saying they all do) have their own agendas and biases. That's all I was pointing out.

Originally posted by FL9er:
3 more weeks of this bull crap (this f'n thread!), and then another 5 months of how he's another John Engelberger when this gets moved to NinerTalk.

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I think the Cardinals play it safe and take Bosa. We take Williams or trade down and Raiders will end up with Murray.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
I think the Cardinals play it safe and take Bosa. We take Williams or trade down and Raiders will end up with Murray.

It very well can turn out that way.

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Here is Mcginest talking about watching tape on Bosa (@ 0:49)
https://youtu.be/9zaUVYx2u_8?t=39

Here is Woody talking about Watching tape on Bosa (@ 7:40)
https://youtu.be/QYEQHH_25o8?t=460

But I guess you are saying that they are liars and have not really watched any tapes or maybe they have some kind of grudge or bias against him.
I guess anyone who does not rate him as highly as you do is biased because they are not allowed to have a negative opinion on him or maybe they are not allowed to see something on film that they don't like, I understand that you love him as a prospect but that does not mean everyone that does not is biased or has an agenda, everyone on that ESPN panel did not think he was the top prospect in the draft but I guess they must all be biased then.

I know what I see on tape but that's my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion because everyone sees something different when they watch tape it does not mean they are wrong or right all that really matters is the opinion of the GM that drafts him so if we do take him i'd support him and hope he gets 15 sacks a season but it doesn't mean that the negative opinions of him are all wrong because it does not suit your narrative.

This is good stuff, one guy who played the same position at the highest level, a champion, another guy who competed against the position at the highest level, a champion, both guys played for the greatest football mind of our generation, maybe ever.

How quickly the credibility of a few can crush the overwhelming majority who has been trying to will bosa into the discussion as this drafts top prospect.