Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
No, not just the Oklahoma game. Just random youtube/google stuff.

I did not mention "two things," the bullrush-dip is the same move.

For me its very simple. He doesn't have elite strength, size or speed. He has great technique and good bend. I think most of that will get neutralized against the better tackles in the NFL. I expect his short arms to be a significant disadvantage at the next level based on his playing style.

What film are you watching? The guy runs through people out there.

His speed isn't Von Miller level but he plays with plenty of speed. Aldon Smith wasn't word class either but he made QBs piss themselves.

And bullrush and dip are not the same thing...but whatever floats your boat. You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're overlooking things.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
No, not just the Oklahoma game. Just random youtube/google stuff.

I did not mention "two things," the bullrush-dip is the same move.

For me its very simple. He doesn't have elite strength, size or speed. He has great technique and good bend. I think most of that will get neutralized against the better tackles in the NFL. I expect his short arms to be a significant disadvantage at the next level based on his playing style.

What film are you watching? The guy runs through people out there.

His speed isn't Von Miller level but he plays with plenty of speed. Aldon Smith wasn't word class either but he made QBs piss themselves.

And bullrush and dip are not the same thing...but whatever floats your boat. You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're overlooking things.

Maybe "bullrush" is the wrong term. I just mean he gets in their chest and bends from their. I didn't mean bullrush in the sense he puts the OT on skates.

As far as Aldon, he had deceptive functional strength (Think Jerry Rice game speed). He didn't need to be fast because he could engage and control the tackle with his long arms before they even laid a hand on him. Shoot he could probably grab a glass of gator from the opponents side line while sitting on the team bench with the length of his levers.

Does he have the same agent as his brother? If so we're f**ked lol we won't see him until 2020

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
No, not just the Oklahoma game. Just random youtube/google stuff.

I did not mention "two things," the bullrush-dip is the same move.

For me its very simple. He doesn't have elite strength, size or speed. He has great technique and good bend. I think most of that will get neutralized against the better tackles in the NFL. I expect his short arms to be a significant disadvantage at the next level based on his playing style.

What film are you watching? The guy runs through people out there.

His speed isn't Von Miller level but he plays with plenty of speed. Aldon Smith wasn't word class either but he made QBs piss themselves.

And bullrush and dip are not the same thing...but whatever floats your boat. You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're overlooking things.

Maybe "bullrush" is the wrong term. I just mean he gets in their chest and bends from their. I didn't mean bullrush in the sense he puts the OT on skates.

As far as Aldon, he had deceptive functional strength (Think Jerry Rice game speed). He didn't need to be fast because he could engage and control the tackle with his long arms before they even laid a hand on him. Shoot he could probably grab a glass of gator from the opponents side line while sitting on the team bench with the length of his levers.

Ok man, i'm not gonna bother convincing you. Agree to disagree I guess.

I do think if Bosa was black a lot of these concerns wouldn't be there.

Originally posted by jeffreyjetson:
Does he have the same agent as his brother? If so we're f**ked lol we won't see him until 2020

that wasn't really on bosa or his agent. it was the charger being dumb.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

No, not just the Oklahoma game. Just random youtube/google stuff.

I did not mention "two things," the bullrush-dip is the same move.

For me its very simple. He doesn't have elite strength, size or speed. He has great technique and good bend. I think most of that will get neutralized against the better tackles in the NFL. I expect his short arms to be a significant disadvantage at the next level based on his playing style.

Chubb wasn't elite at one thing, he just happens to be pretty good at a lot of things that conincide to having success at rushing the passer. Same s**t with Bosa.

Originally posted by jeffreyjetson:

Does he have the same agent as his brother? If so we're f**ked lol we won't see him until 2020

Thomas had the same agent and waited until the beginning of OTAs to sign as well. It was all about off-set language, which a player shouldn't want in their contract. That's on the team trying to save money vs Joey and a lot of other players being greedy.

You should really read up on what the issue was before assuming it was Bosa being a greedy player. It was LA being s**tty not him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
No, not just the Oklahoma game. Just random youtube/google stuff.

I did not mention "two things," the bullrush-dip is the same move.

For me its very simple. He doesn't have elite strength, size or speed. He has great technique and good bend. I think most of that will get neutralized against the better tackles in the NFL. I expect his short arms to be a significant disadvantage at the next level based on his playing style.

What film are you watching? The guy runs through people out there.

His speed isn't Von Miller level but he plays with plenty of speed. Aldon Smith wasn't word class either but he made QBs piss themselves.

And bullrush and dip are not the same thing...but whatever floats your boat. You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're overlooking things.

Maybe "bullrush" is the wrong term. I just mean he gets in their chest and bends from their. I didn't mean bullrush in the sense he puts the OT on skates.

As far as Aldon, he had deceptive functional strength (Think Jerry Rice game speed). He didn't need to be fast because he could engage and control the tackle with his long arms before they even laid a hand on him. Shoot he could probably grab a glass of gator from the opponents side line while sitting on the team bench with the length of his levers.

Ok man, i'm not gonna bother convincing you. Agree to disagree I guess.

I do think if Bosa was black a lot of these concerns wouldn't be there.

Right, because JJ.Watt, Clay Matthews and Jerrid Allen all but proved white men can't rush....

No need to get offended, its just one take from a guy that doesn't watch college football.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

I've watch a decent amount of film on this guy now.

Here is my take: He's basically a one trick pony (bullrush, dip with good technique), that gets completely neutralized against bigger, strong OTs with equal technical skill. This means, as stated in one draft video, he might have sacks in bunches against subpar talent, but will all but disappear against the better NFL tackles. He could end up with double digit sacks, but they will mostly be against the Gary Gilliams of the NFL world. If we are using the second overall pick, I'm looking for well rounded rushers that can beat you multiple ways depending on the opponents strength.

There are plenty of guys from every position that look great in college, put up big numbers, but are just okay in the NFL. That's because the talent level is totally inconsistent at that level. In the NFL, most of your opponents will be better than anyone you faced in college.

So basically you watched that one video. Got it.

What pass rush move is "bullrush, dip with good technique." Lol. You haven't watched enough tape if you think he's a one trick pony. He goes around you, inside of you, or through you. I will agree that he doesn't string many moves together, but that can be attributed to him rarely needing to, and I'd expect someone who has displayed his level of nuance and cerebral approach to the game, this will not be difficult to develop further in the NFL, hence the idiocy behind other's views that he has a low ceiling and has already maximized his abilities

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Right, because JJ.Watt, Clay Matthews and Jerrid Allen all but proved white men can't rush....

No need to get offended, its just one take from a guy that doesn't watch college football.

Lol. Jarred Allen has shorter arms than Bosa. Clay Matthews has shorter arms than Bosa. He also ran a 4.67 at 240 lbs, so don't say he had the speed or size to make up for it.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I've watch a decent amount of film on this guy now.

Here is my take: He's basically a one trick pony (bullrush, dip with good technique), that gets completely neutralized against bigger, strong OTs with equal technical skill. This means, as stated in one draft video, he might have sacks in bunches against subpar talent, but will all but disappear against the better NFL tackles. He could end up with double digit sacks, but they will mostly be against the Gary Gilliams of the NFL world. If we are using the second overall pick, I'm looking for well rounded rushers that can beat you multiple ways depending on the opponents strength.

There are plenty of guys from every position that look great in college, put up big numbers, but are just okay in the NFL. That's because the talent level is totally inconsistent at that level. In the NFL, most of your opponents will be better than anyone you faced in college.

So basically you watched that one video. Got it.

What pass rush move is "bullrush, dip with good technique." Lol. You haven't watched enough tape if you think he's a one trick pony. He goes around you, inside of you, or through you. I will agree that he doesn't string many moves together, but that can be attributed to him rarely needing to, and I'd expect someone who has displayed his level of nuance and cerebral approach to the game, this will not be difficult to develop further in the NFL, hence the idiocy behind other's views that he has a low ceiling and has already maximized his abilities

Great point. Bosa's football IQ is also very important. You can't have a dummy operating the LEO position because he keys the entire defense in the Seifert/Carroll defense. He's almost like a QB of the defense, from my perspective. Sort of like the olden days when the middle linebacker was the QB of the defense. In this passing league, the pass rusher is now it, in my opinion.

Bosa is certainly not a speedster but his first step is legit and he is the most intelligent edge guy in this class.
He always has a plan.
To beat the best Tackles, you need to have also a uncanny ability to read and react at what is in front of you.
That´s why I love the Dee Ford acquisition because when everyone talks about his speed and explosiveness, it´s really his capacity to "play" with the tackle that is impressive. Lot of Dee Ford´s sacks are after a sick euro step.

Bosa coming from one side.
DeFo coming up the middle.
Ford coming from the other side.
Jeezum cripes cheese and crackers...did we draft this doot yet?!?!?!?
*boing*
RIP QBs
#StopTheNonsense
#DraftBabyBosa

Originally posted by pdc20:
Bosa is certainly not a speedster but his first step is legit and he is the most intelligent edge guy in this class.
He always has a plan.
To beat the best Tackles, you need to have also a uncanny ability to read and react at what is in front of you.
That´s why I love the Dee Ford acquisition because when everyone talks about his speed and explosiveness, it´s really his capacity to "play" with the tackle that is impressive. Lot of Dee Ford´s sacks are after a sick euro step.

Bosa's short shuttle, 3-cone and the first 10 yards of his 40 yard dash were all in the very good to elite areas for DL/pass rushers. He's not trying to get to the QB 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage. His overall 40 time is fine as it is. It's the first 10 yards that matters more for what he is going to be asked to do.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

I've watch a decent amount of film on this guy now.

Here is my take: He's basically a one trick pony (bullrush, dip with good technique), that gets completely neutralized against bigger, strong OTs with equal technical skill. This means, as stated in one draft video, he might have sacks in bunches against subpar talent, but will all but disappear against the better NFL tackles. He could end up with double digit sacks, but they will mostly be against the Gary Gilliams of the NFL world. If we are using the second overall pick, I'm looking for well rounded rushers that can beat you multiple ways depending on the opponents strength.

There are plenty of guys from every position that look great in college, put up big numbers, but are just okay in the NFL. That's because the talent level is totally inconsistent at that level. In the NFL, most of your opponents will be better than anyone you faced in college.

So basically you watched that one video. Got it.

What pass rush move is "bullrush, dip with good technique." Lol. You haven't watched enough tape if you think he's a one trick pony. He goes around you, inside of you, or through you. I will agree that he doesn't string many moves together, but that can be attributed to him rarely needing to, and I'd expect someone who has displayed his level of nuance and cerebral approach to the game, this will not be difficult to develop further in the NFL, hence the idiocy behind other's views that he has a low ceiling and has already maximized his abilities

You're obviously a Bosa fan boy. Time will tell. I'm just not fully buying the hype machine.

Btw, I noticed you use almost the exact same verbiage/talking points as one of the guys in the PFF video. Are you the blond dude with the man bun?