Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Wonder what AZ's thinking is - do they trade Rosen before the draft and let everyone know who there taking - or do they hold on to him and draft Murray and trade Rosen after the draft?

Nah we don't need that

I'll say this in every thread..... This is a no-brainer. You draft Bosa! Every year you see NFL GM's overthinking the pick and passing on the obvious players they should be taking because of some stupid post-season b.s., like the Combine, and suddenly some middle of the road talent becomes a Hall of Famer before he's even drafted. Bosa has been the consesus best player in this draft for the last year and that has not changed. Ford is 28 years old. If you don't take Bosa, you've outsmarted yourself.

Im sorry but we have to take this kid. He can play any spot on the DLine at times and can anchor with his strength & Power and also come off the edge. He's a blend of Justin Smith & Kevin Greene IMO

Originally posted by raywm3:

I'll say this in every thread..... This is a no-brainer. You draft Bosa! Every year you see NFL GM's overthinking the pick and passing on the obvious players they should be taking because of some stupid post-season b.s., like the Combine, and suddenly some middle of the road talent becomes a Hall of Famer before he's even drafted. Bosa has been the consesus best player in this draft for the last year and that has not changed. Ford is 28 years old. If you don't take Bosa, you've outsmarted yourself.

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Originally posted by raywm3:
I'll say this in every thread..... This is a no-brainer. You draft Bosa! Every year you see NFL GM's overthinking the pick and passing on the obvious players they should be taking because of some stupid post-season b.s., like the Combine, and suddenly some middle of the road talent becomes a Hall of Famer before he's even drafted. Bosa has been the consesus best player in this draft for the last year and that has not changed. Ford is 28 years old. If you don't take Bosa, you've outsmarted yourself.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Meh, Lawrence Taylor got handled by Dan Audick in the 1981 playoffs. It wasn't until Lawrence was teamed up with Leonard Marshal (the equivalent of our Buckner) that Lawrence Taylor started dominating left tackles and winning super bowls.

Yeah but Evans and Brown aren't exactly all world NFL tackles. Evans might be a mid round pick and Brown is nothing special. But the real issue isn't that he got shut down, it's why he got shut down. It's the same criticism all the "experts" not sold on him are making: he has short arms and a slow f̶a̶s̶t̶ first step. He couldn't beat them on the edge because he wasn't fast enough, and he couldn't bull rush them because their longer arms allowed them to get a hold of him first and have more control.

First of all Brown was a pretty good tackle for Baltimore last year with a much better pass blocking grade than run blocking....actually better pass blocking grade than Trent Brown.

Second Oklahoma is an offensive powerhouse. Rushing Baker Mayfield the same way you can rush other QBs isn't always easy.

Bosa ran a 1.55 10 yard split. That's elite territory. Is he Von Miller where his strength is jump off the ball and beating the OT with speed? No. Is he slow? No.

All the Bosa naysayers are clinging to that one video as ultimate proof that Bosa will not be successful in the NFL which is ridiculous. He's not the first DE who didn't have 34+ inch arms or didn't have a blazing fast 40 time and huge vertical jump to have success in the NFL.

This idea that he can be automatically shut down by big NFL tackles is silly. How many of those guys play with sloppy technique?

Plus if you look at that game there were very few obvious passing downs against Oklahoma. I went back to look at them. Someone else can certainly review and make sure I didn't miss any but here's what I saw

3rd and 7 - Mayfield rolls left as Bosa gets around the edge
3rd and 5 - Bosa gets around the edge but trips
3rd and 12 - beats his man, Mayfield gets the all out
3rd and 22 - don't know what happened cuz the camera at the snap was on the damn fans but Bosa had a key sack earlier in the series
3rd and 8 - get to the outside but ball is out very quick
3rd and 9 - plays inside double teamed

So in all of the "obvious" passing downs he was far from handled. He was getting extra attention all game. Had some big run stops and the big sack that was close to a safety.

So if his worst games are him being handled like this to the tune of 3 tackles 2 TFL and 1 sack that would be just awful...

Here's the game for anyone who wants to actually look at it, unfortunately don't think there are cutups so you have to deal with the stupid normal game crap.

2017 Ohio State vs Oklahoma - Full Game - 1080p HD

Originally posted by mayo49:
Wonder what AZ's thinking is - do they trade Rosen before the draft and let everyone know who there taking - or do they hold on to him and draft Murray and trade Rosen after the draft?

Smarter for them to trade Rosen now before a team like the Giants can get Haskins or someone else.

If they want Murray then trading Rosen now is smarter IMO.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

So you don't think he'll get better as he gets into the NFL and practices against McGlinchy and Staley? And you are missing my point about pass rush being a team sport in which a good DT will free up an Edge rusher for a sack/blindside hit. Again, my point is that Lawrence Taylor - as great an athlete as he was - was nothing without Leonard by his side, same thing with Gastinue when he didn't have Klecko. If we didn't have Buckner - and all we had was Solomon and Arik, then I'd be all for Quinnen since we've already got Ford. But we do have Buckner and he needs a credible edge rusher to make him much more effective. I think Bosa's strength and his hand fighting ability will actually be a benefit to him vs speed in a stunt with Buckner. I'd have Bosa free Buckner whereas with Dee Ford, I'd have Buckner free up Dee Ford in a pass rush.

(1) Re: him getting better
Not really, because he is already extremely sound with his technique. He will improve, but not that much.
(2) Re: getting help.
He had a teammate fellow end go in the 2nd round of the draft in 2018 (Tyquan Lewis), another on the edge go in the third round (Sam Hubbard), another one go in the fourth (Jalyn Holmes), and of course Denzel Ward go in the first. So he had help.

EDIT- note: I am not saying he will suck. He'll be a ten sack guy. He's just not on QW's level based on what I have seen of of the two.

Whether he improves or not is really opinion. Not fact. That is what I'm getting at. I think all drafted players can get better simply because in the NFL, they are spending more time in the weight room and film room, than they ever were in college. Whether they acutually will or not really is something outside of the film room and combine numbers.

I defer to the draft nerds on anything regarding college football and a majority of those guys who watch college ball who I respect - disagree with your opinion, they pretty much say Bosa is the better pick for us.

I think Bosa will be a great pick for us, better than Quinnin, because he fits the current system. If you get QW, you wouldn't play a 4-3 under, you would play something more like a 3-4 with QW at nose because of all the big ends we have. Both would be an asset against the pass, but you get more for your draft dollar with Bosa.

QW, as fantastic an athlete that he is, his Hall of Fame grade is just another projection. What defensive system he plays in, how many in game reps he gets, and who his supporting teammates are, will be a big factor in making that projection a reality. In our team, he'll have to rotate because we have a lot of similar bodies like him already.

Originally posted by raywm3:
I'll say this in every thread..... This is a no-brainer. You draft Bosa! Every year you see NFL GM's overthinking the pick and passing on the obvious players they should be taking because of some stupid post-season b.s., like the Combine, and suddenly some middle of the road talent becomes a Hall of Famer before he's even drafted. Bosa has been the consesus best player in this draft for the last year and that has not changed. Ford is 28 years old. If you don't take Bosa, you've outsmarted yourself.

Great post.
Completely terrified of this part.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Wonder what AZ's thinking is - do they trade Rosen before the draft and let everyone know who there taking - or do they hold on to him and draft Murray and trade Rosen after the draft?

Smarter for them to trade Rosen now before a team like the Giants can get Haskins or someone else.

If they want Murray then trading Rosen now is smarter IMO.

They're taking Bosa.

CBS...good Lord!

Originally posted by NCommand:


CBS...good Lord!

The Onion Mock? Only way i can understand that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Meh, Lawrence Taylor got handled by Dan Audick in the 1981 playoffs. It wasn't until Lawrence was teamed up with Leonard Marshal (the equivalent of our Buckner) that Lawrence Taylor started dominating left tackles and winning super bowls.

Yeah but Evans and Brown aren't exactly all world NFL tackles. Evans might be a mid round pick and Brown is nothing special. But the real issue isn't that he got shut down, it's why he got shut down. It's the same criticism all the "experts" not sold on him are making: he has short arms and a slow f̶a̶s̶t̶ first step. He couldn't beat them on the edge because he wasn't fast enough, and he couldn't bull rush them because their longer arms allowed them to get a hold of him first and have more control.

First of all Brown was a pretty good tackle for Baltimore last year with a much better pass blocking grade than run blocking....actually better pass blocking grade than Trent Brown.

Second Oklahoma is an offensive powerhouse. Rushing Baker Mayfield the same way you can rush other QBs isn't always easy.

Bosa ran a 1.55 10 yard split. That's elite territory. Is he Von Miller where his strength is jump off the ball and beating the OT with speed? No. Is he slow? No.

All the Bosa naysayers are clinging to that one video as ultimate proof that Bosa will not be successful in the NFL which is ridiculous. He's not the first DE who didn't have 34+ inch arms or didn't have a blazing fast 40 time and huge vertical jump to have success in the NFL.

This idea that he can be automatically shut down by big NFL tackles is silly. How many of those guys play with sloppy technique?

Plus if you look at that game there were very few obvious passing downs against Oklahoma. I went back to look at them. Someone else can certainly review and make sure I didn't miss any but here's what I saw

3rd and 7 - Mayfield rolls left as Bosa gets around the edge
3rd and 5 - Bosa gets around the edge but trips
3rd and 12 - beats his man, Mayfield gets the all out
3rd and 22 - don't know what happened cuz the camera at the snap was on the damn fans but Bosa had a key sack earlier in the series
3rd and 8 - get to the outside but ball is out very quick
3rd and 9 - plays inside double teamed

So in all of the "obvious" passing downs he was far from handled. He was getting extra attention all game. Had some big run stops and the big sack that was close to a safety.

So if his worst games are him being handled like this to the tune of 3 tackles 2 TFL and 1 sack that would be just awful...

Here's the game for anyone who wants to actually look at it, unfortunately don't think there are cutups so you have to deal with the stupid normal game crap.

2017 Ohio State vs Oklahoma - Full Game - 1080p HD