Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Draft this mofo.

Ditto....too much time before the draft got people overthinking!

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Garce:

I'm cool off Bosa. He will beat the average to below average tackles but he will disappear vs the elite tackles of the league, just like Joey Bosa did vs NE in the playoffs last year.



Trade down, draft an elite CB, Greedy Williams.

I don't want Greedy Williams. At least not with a top 10 pick. But as to that video....

IMO the one legit critique that guy makes is about Bosa's first step. I've thought the same thing when going over his college games. Will that be a weakness that becomes more obvious against the bigger, stronger, better, faster NFL offensive tackles? Tough to say.

When evaluating someone's first step you have to consider the down/distance and situation. Are they slower because they're reading run/pass?

I made this mistake when watching Burns, took me a while to notice that when it's an obvious pass down he's so much faster.

I've seen enough burst from Bosa to be satisfied that it's enough. If he didn't have his technique or bend I might be concerned, but he does, and I'm not.

QW does the same thing. Instead of knifing forward, his first step is often to the side. It doesn't mean he doesn't have explosion, it just means he plays more controlled.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:
There are no cant-miss prospects. I stopped using that term years ago. Every prospect is a risk to bust.

So is Mayo49

At least Mayo got a Super Bowl ring.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
QW does the same thing. Instead of knifing forward, his first step is often to the side. It doesn't mean he doesn't have explosion, it just means he plays more controlled.

But QW doesn't play on the edge. He plays in the middle, where holding ground can be as successful as penetrating. Bosa got completely owned by Bobby Evans and Orlando Brown when he played against Oklahoma, and that was one of the few games (only?) in which he played against NFL tackles.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
QW does the same thing. Instead of knifing forward, his first step is often to the side. It doesn't mean he doesn't have explosion, it just means he plays more controlled.

But QW doesn't play on the edge. He plays in the middle, where holding ground can be as successful as penetrating. Bosa got completely owned by Bobby Evans and Orlando Brown when he played against Oklahoma, and that was one of the few games (only?) in which he played against NFL tackles.

Meh, Lawrence Taylor got handled by Dan Audick in the 1981 playoffs. It wasn't until Lawrence was teamed up with Leonard Marshal (the equivalent of our Buckner) that Lawrence Taylor started dominating left tackles and winning super bowls.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Meh, Lawrence Taylor got handled by Dan Audick in the 1981 playoffs. It wasn't until Lawrence was teamed up with Leonard Marshal (the equivalent of our Buckner) that Lawrence Taylor started dominating left tackles and winning super bowls.

Yeah but Evans and Brown aren't exactly all world NFL tackles. Evans might be a mid round pick and Brown is nothing special. But the real issue isn't that he got shut down, it's why he got shut down. It's the same criticism all the "experts" not sold on him are making: he has short arms and a slow f̶a̶s̶t̶ first step. He couldn't beat them on the edge because he wasn't fast enough, and he couldn't bull rush them because their longer arms allowed them to get a hold of him first and have more control.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Meh, Lawrence Taylor got handled by Dan Audick in the 1981 playoffs. It wasn't until Lawrence was teamed up with Leonard Marshal (the equivalent of our Buckner) that Lawrence Taylor started dominating left tackles and winning super bowls.

Yeah but Evans and Brown aren't exactly all world NFL tackles. Evans might be a mid round pick and Brown is nothing special. But the real issue isn't that he got shut down, it's why he got shut down. It's the same criticism all the "experts" not sold on him are making: he has short arms and a slow f̶a̶s̶t̶ first step. He couldn't beat them on the edge because he wasn't fast enough, and he couldn't bull rush them because their longer arms allowed them to get a hold of him first and have more control.

So you don't think he'll get better as he gets into the NFL and practices against McGlinchy and Staley? And you are missing my point about pass rush being a team sport in which a good DT will free up an Edge rusher for a sack/blindside hit. Again, my point is that Lawrence Taylor - as great an athlete as he was - was nothing without Leonard by his side, same thing with Gastinue when he didn't have Klecko. If we didn't have Buckner - and all we had was Solomon and Arik, then I'd be all for Quinnen since we've already got Ford. But we do have Buckner and he needs a credible edge rusher to make him much more effective. I think Bosa's strength and his hand fighting ability will actually be a benefit to him vs speed in a stunt with Buckner. I'd have Bosa free Buckner whereas with Dee Ford, I'd have Buckner free up Dee Ford in a pass rush.

Originally posted by Giedi:
So you don't think he'll get better as he gets into the NFL and practices against McGlinchy and Staley? And you are missing my point about pass rush being a team sport in which a good DT will free up an Edge rusher for a sack/blindside hit. Again, my point is that Lawrence Taylor - as great an athlete as he was - was nothing without Leonard by his side, same thing with Gastinue when he didn't have Klecko. If we didn't have Buckner - and all we had was Solomon and Arik, then I'd be all for Quinnen since we've already got Ford. But we do have Buckner and he needs a credible edge rusher to make him much more effective. I think Bosa's strength and his hand fighting ability will actually be a benefit to him vs speed in a stunt with Buckner. I'd have Bosa free Buckner whereas with Dee Ford, I'd have Buckner free up Dee Ford in a pass rush.

(1) Re: him getting better
Not really, because he is already extremely sound with his technique. He will improve, but not that much.
(2) Re: getting help.
He had a teammate fellow end go in the 2nd round of the draft in 2018 (Tyquan Lewis), another on the edge go in the third round (Sam Hubbard), another one go in the fourth (Jalyn Holmes), and of course Denzel Ward go in the first. So he had help.

EDIT- note: I am not saying he will suck. He'll be a ten sack guy. He's just not on QW's level based on what I have seen of of the two.

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Draft this mofo.

Ditto....too much time before the draft got people overthinking!

Which will only get worse the final week before the draft as rumors ramp up exponentially. Especially if the Cardinals decide to announce their pick well before the draft.

Bosa has elite hands. It's hard to get your hands on someone if they swat them away

He doing anything at is Pro Day tomorrow? We sending anyone there?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

(1) Re: him getting better
Not really, because he is already extremely sound with his technique. He will improve, but not that much.
(2) Re: getting help.
He had a teammate fellow end go in the 2nd round of the draft in 2018 (Tyquan Lewis), another on the edge go in the third round (Sam Hubbard), another one go in the fourth (Jalyn Holmes), and of course Denzel Ward go in the first. So he had help.

EDIT- note: I am not saying he will suck. He'll be a ten sack guy. He's just not on QW's level based on what I have seen of of the two.

I question this. I think the area where he has the most to grow is in reactive agility. And I think that's completely trainable. All you have to do is get the right program. So imagine Bosa exactly as he is now with those low hips and pro-level hands but getting off the ball at 50% of the time he's taking now. To me that's a big step up that we can expect from him at the pro level if the 49ers have an enlightened training program for defensive lineman.

draft his f**ker....stop with the insanity.

Originally posted by GNS1310:
He doing anything at is Pro Day tomorrow? We sending anyone there?

Don't know what he's doing, but someone from our team will be there.

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Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

We're getting trolled on the home page

well ... that's like your opinion man

I explain why the 49ers could pass on Bosa which is indeed possible. Far stranger things have happened. I don't think they should but they don't always do what I want.

I get you have to write something but I think reacting to what the front office/coaching says now BEFORE the draft is a bit silly. Can't trust anything GMs have to say now.

They don't want to tip their hand one way or another so saying Ford is their Leo is the best way to mask their desires for the first round or even later in the draft. I'd say it's easier to find someone at Sam than Leo so saying Ford is our guy hints at exactly what you insinuate which is Bosa is potentially no longer in our plans.

We'll see what happens but I'd be very surprised if he's not our pick at #2 assuming he's there and we make the pick at #2.