Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
there so much wrong with all of this.

In what world does a 40 time matter for a OLB/DE? Please show me all the film of a DE/OLB running in a straight line 40 yards downfield....It's all about that 10-yard split, 3-cone, 20 yard shuttle all of which Bosa was damn near the same as Mack. In college Mack won with speed to power more than him bending around the edge and that's remains true today.

DLaw was worse at every drill that required quickness compared to Bosa and was 15 lbs lighter. Mack and DLaw are probably two of the best edge rushers in the NFL ane NEITHER are known as elite speed rushers or have the length that you seem to be obsessed with. That's why I brought up all the other f**king good DEs who has shorter arms. I don't give two s**ts when they were drafted they've thrived in the NFL for a long time. even without 34+ inch arms.

Also who gives a f**k if a guy played OLB or DE anyway? Rushing the passer is rushing the passer one does it standing up and another with his hand in the dirt. Most good edge guys can do whatever. I don't care about that s**t. We just traded for a guy thats a so called OLBer yet we run a 4-3. Only real difference is you gotta be able to edge defend vs tackles as a LEO in this scheme something Bosa can do.

Finally, please show me all the clips of Bosa lined up as a DT and getting sacks inside???! Love to see it...

Weak response 😴😴 So Mack a 4.45 guy is not known as an elite speed rusher lololol 🤥 Stop it !!! Do you watch football lol ? Do you realise Mack's power comes from his speed also ? Dude is the same size as Von Miller. DLaw and Mack blow by tackles alllll the time for sacks. 40 times doesn't matter ?

So if a DE runs 5.00 he's going to be 1st rd ? Would you draf himt #1 ? 40 times matter, if not why run it ? Sure the other drills carry a lot of weight and are just as important too but hey what was Von Miller's 40 😌. 40 time shows explosiveness, athleticism and speed.

Some guys test better than others but that's why u have FILM to confirm. Bosa did NOTHING in college, he's living off a name. If dude was a Mexican he wouldn't even be mentioned. Josh Allen is a better pass rusher hands down.

I wouldn't waste my time posting clips of Bosa, he only has couple of sacks lol. Watch his highlights buddy, his clips are really short 😆✌️

How can you argue that Mack IS a speed rusher based on his 40, and at the same time argue that DLAW is a speed rusher despite his 40?

Everybody at the combine does the same tests, but some matter more than others depending on what position you're playing. As I recall, the short shuttle, 3-cone and time for the first 10 yards of the 40 yard dash are generally the best gauges for pass rushers. PFF's grades for Bosa would say otherwise in terms of what he did in college. I'm fine with Allen if Bosa isn't there, though I'd prefer a trade down at that point.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by genus49:

Eddie Jackson was drafted in the 4th round. Finding good safeties outside of the first round is a common thing. It's also not uncommon to see pretty good safeties hit free agency...just look at the last two seasons.

Finding elite pass rushers isn't as common. They hardly ever hit free agency.

Pass rush is one thing you can't have enough of, unlike corners you can sub out pass rushers. So having more than 2 or 3 isn't a bad thing. You can only play so many corners at once.

Our pass rush last year was crap outside of Buckner. The secondary was riddled with injuries. How about we improve the passrush in a great pass rush class and arguably the best one in the group being available at our pick and see what our corners look like then?

As far as cornerbacks this draft class just doesn't have the studs you want to see with early first rounders. Greedy is the big name but his play really doesn't match the hype people put on him. If we're going that route I'd much rather have Byron Murphy.

Though I think best thing for us is to address pass rush because it's the BPA and hits a huge need and maybe look at a developmental corner later in the draft or see what our secondary can do with a much better pass rush and address corner next season.

I don't know about anyone else but this corner class doesn't do much for me.

And what have you learned about Bosa that you don't like?

Doesn't have an elite first step, he has short arms. Doesn't had top end speed for the position. Injury prone. Relies on superior technique, flexibility and strength.

When you match him up vs guys who can neutralize his technique and match his strength, hes not nearly as impactful.

So basically you watched that video posted a few pages ago and now you're an expert on all things Bosa?

Go and watch some of his games...the full game. It's easy enough to find cut ups of all his snaps within a game and decide for yourself.

Bosa didn't meet some guys "5 ultimate points" or whatever the hell he called it and he sucks now?

Did Justin Smith have an elite first step? He sure as hell wasnt as advanced as Bosa is technique wise or had the same flexibility for a big guy. He did just fine.

Bosa wouldn't even be the only guy here. The amount of extra attention he got at OSU wouldn't be possible on this roster. At least not it they want to single up Buckner or Ford.

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Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by genus49:
Eddie Jackson was drafted in the 4th round. Finding good safeties outside of the first round is a common thing. It's also not uncommon to see pretty good safeties hit free agency...just look at the last two seasons.

Finding elite pass rushers isn't as common. They hardly ever hit free agency.

Pass rush is one thing you can't have enough of, unlike corners you can sub out pass rushers. So having more than 2 or 3 isn't a bad thing. You can only play so many corners at once.

Our pass rush last year was crap outside of Buckner. The secondary was riddled with injuries. How about we improve the passrush in a great pass rush class and arguably the best one in the group being available at our pick and see what our corners look like then?

As far as cornerbacks this draft class just doesn't have the studs you want to see with early first rounders. Greedy is the big name but his play really doesn't match the hype people put on him. If we're going that route I'd much rather have Byron Murphy.

Though I think best thing for us is to address pass rush because it's the BPA and hits a huge need and maybe look at a developmental corner later in the draft or see what our secondary can do with a much better pass rush and address corner next season.

I don't know about anyone else but this corner class doesn't do much for me.

And what have you learned about Bosa that you don't like?

Doesn't have an elite first step, he has short arms. Doesn't had top end speed for the position. Injury prone. Relies on superior technique, flexibility and strength.

When you match him up vs guys who can neutralize his technique and match his strength, hes not nearly as impactful.

So basically you watched that video posted a few pages ago and now you're an expert on all things Bosa?

Go and watch some of his games...the full game. It's easy enough to find cut ups of all his snaps within a game and decide for yourself.

Bosa didn't meet some guys "5 ultimate points" or whatever the hell he called it and he sucks now?

Did Justin Smith have an elite first step? He sure as hell wasnt as advanced as Bosa is technique wise or had the same flexibility for a big guy. He did just fine.

Bosa wouldn't even be the only guy here. The amount of extra attention he got at OSU wouldn't be possible on this roster. At least not it they want to single up Buckner or Ford.

Is it May yet?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

We're getting trolled on the home page

Is all this hype for Nick Bosa because of his talent OR his brother? Let's drown all of the stuff about the combine (did he attend?) and focus on his PLAY! I just checked to see what he did in college, at THE Ohio State, and why so many people believe he will be a 10 sack a year guy with the Hall Of Fame clearly in his pocket. In 29 games from 2016 - 2018 Bosa had 17.5 sacks. He had 5 in 2016 in 12 games. He had 8.5 in 2017 in 14 games. He had 4 sacks in 2018 in 3 games before he was injured. In the 29 games he played, he had 1 game with multiple sacks (2) in 2018 before he was injured. I'm not comparing him to anyone else in the current upcoming draft but, the hyperbole being spewed about this guy, to me, says he has absolutely destroyed college opponents, opposing qb's made sure their coaches game planned to have him double teamed at ALL times, and the destruction he wrought on opposing offenses will be the talk of college football lore. I ain't seen it nor heard it!!!

Originally posted by genus49:

So basically you watched that video posted a few pages ago and now you're an expert on all things Bosa?

Go and watch some of his games...the full game. It's easy enough to find cut ups of all his snaps within a game and decide for yourself.

Bosa didn't meet some guys "5 ultimate points" or whatever the hell he called it and he sucks now?

Did Justin Smith have an elite first step? He sure as hell wasnt as advanced as Bosa is technique wise or had the same flexibility for a big guy. He did just fine.

Bosa wouldn't even be the only guy here. The amount of extra attention he got at OSU wouldn't be possible on this roster. At least not it they want to single up Buckner or Ford.

I'm all for taking Bosa but do you have proof that Cowboy wasn't as polished or are you just shooting from the hip there? 275 tackles, 53 for loss, 22.5 sacks. Oh and he left after his Jr year. He went #4 for a reason.

I do find it funny though that I watched his draft day selection and the biggest knock on him was his 32.5 arms. Wasn't that a topic of discussion for Bosa earlier today.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

We're getting trolled on the home page

well ... that's like your opinion man

I explain why the 49ers could pass on Bosa which is indeed possible. Far stranger things have happened. I don't think they should but they don't always do what I want.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

We're getting trolled on the home page

well ... that's like your opinion man

I explain why the 49ers could pass on Bosa which is indeed possible. Far stranger things have happened. I don't think they should but they don't always do what I want.

Fair play to you for writing an article, I do not have the skill or the patience. I strongly disagree with your conclusions though.

I will ask the same question I've posted in the Allen thread and still haven't got an answer for.

We have a big nickel package the "Snickel" and we do this if it's a normal down and distance so we want to respect the run, but the opposition have 3 WR's on the field (the Rams do this A LOT).

There's no SAM on the field, are you happy with Allen and Ford on the edges?

I'm not, but I'm happy with Bosa & Ford.

Also why do you care about limiting the time of Solomon Thomas or April (great autocorrect, I'm leaving it!) Armstead? What have either done to warrant that?

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Oh boy.....that new webzone article.

No offense but who is Levin Black?

DaBum

We need to talk to him. Lol

We're getting trolled on the home page

well ... that's like your opinion man

I explain why the 49ers could pass on Bosa which is indeed possible. Far stranger things have happened. I don't think they should but they don't always do what I want.

I was talking about the headline not the article. It gets people all worked up. I'll give it to you on the click bait though. Guaranteed everyone read it.

It's O.K..... one player does not a team make

Originally posted by Howlett49:

I was talking about the headline not the article. It gets people all worked up. I'll give it to you on the click bait though. Guaranteed everyone read it.

Well Grant Cohn does it, and somehow he has a job so it works.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

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Speaking of which...

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Is all this hype for Nick Bosa because of his talent OR his brother? Let's drown all of the stuff about the combine (did he attend?) and focus on his PLAY! I just checked to see what he did in college, at THE Ohio State, and why so many people believe he will be a 10 sack a year guy with the Hall Of Fame clearly in his pocket. In 29 games from 2016 - 2018 Bosa had 17.5 sacks. He had 5 in 2016 in 12 games. He had 8.5 in 2017 in 14 games. He had 4 sacks in 2018 in 3 games before he was injured. In the 29 games he played, he had 1 game with multiple sacks (2) in 2018 before he was injured. I'm not comparing him to anyone else in the current upcoming draft but, the hyperbole being spewed about this guy, to me, says he has absolutely destroyed college opponents, opposing qb's made sure their coaches game planned to have him double teamed at ALL times, and the destruction he wrought on opposing offenses will be the talk of college football lore. I ain't seen it nor heard it!!!

It's cause his last name bosa lol I bet if he wasn't related to his brother he would probably be at the Montez sweat draft stock based on what you done and his injury history don't help, idk starting tot honk QW is best player in this draft and Allen the best rusher since he every down and can cover and has the sac numbers. Experts believe bosa the best why? Is his film showing this or his last name? Idk anymore lol