Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LordGains:

Weak response 😴😴 So Mack a 4.45 guy is not known as an elite speed rusher lololol 🤥 Stop it !!! Do you watch football lol ? Do you realise Mack's power comes from his speed also ? Dude is the same size as Von Miller. DLaw and Mack blow by tackles alllll the time for sacks. 40 times doesn't matter ?

So if a DE runs 5.00 he's going to be 1st rd ? Would you draf himt #1 ? 40 times matter, if not why run it ? Sure the other drills carry a lot of weight and are just as important too but hey what was Von Miller's 40 😌. 40 time shows explosiveness, athleticism and speed.

Some guys test better than others but that's why u have FILM to confirm. Bosa did NOTHING in college, he's living off a name. If dude was a Mexican he wouldn't even be mentioned. Josh Allen is a better pass rusher hands down.

I wouldn't waste my time posting clips of Bosa, he only has couple of sacks lol. Watch his highlights buddy, his clips are really short 😆✌️

Ok thanks for telling us what we already knew based on your posts in here.

Here's a crazy thought....go watch more than highlights? Maybe that can actually show something that doesn't show up in the stat sheet?

And 40 time for DEs means very little. Aldon Smith ran a 4.78 40. Based on your point he must suck.

Lol we really using the speed arguement still after Bosa posted a faster 10 yard split time?

Trolls gonna troll I guess.

Originally posted by Garce:

I'm cool off Bosa. He will beat the average to below average tackles but he will disappear vs the elite tackles of the league, just like Joey Bosa did vs NE in the playoffs last year.



Trade down, draft an elite CB, Greedy Williams.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Murray to Phoenix is a done deal.

Source?

Once they trade Rosen then I'll believe it.

I'm with you Mayo. Not getting my hopes up until we see it happen.

Originally posted by Garce:
I'm cool off Bosa. He will beat the average to below average tackles but he will disappear vs the elite tackles of the league, just like Joey Bosa did vs NE in the playoffs last year.



Trade down, draft an elite CB, Greedy Williams.

First of all Greedy Williams isn't a guarantee of anything.

Second Joey Bosa disappeared because Tom Brady gets the ball out under 3 seconds. He's done nullified virtually every elite DE in the league at one point or another. Using a game against Brady as a way of knocking a DE is stupid.

We have a very strong interior OL, if a QB wants to get the ball out under 3 seconds to mimic what the Pats are doing then let them try it.

Originally posted by genus49:
First of all Greedy Williams isn't a guarantee of anything.

Second Joey Bosa disappeared because Tom Brady gets the ball out under 3 seconds. He's done nullified virtually every elite DE in the league at one point or another. Using a game against Brady as a way of knocking a DE is stupid.

We have a very strong interior OL, if a QB wants to get the ball out under 3 seconds to mimic what the Pats are doing then let them try it.

Another reason we need an elite CB. Its easier to neutralize a pass rush than to beat an elite CB.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Lol we really using the speed arguement still after Bosa posted a faster 10 yard split time?

Trolls gonna troll I guess.

For real

Originally posted by genus49:
Bosa's arms being an issue is a ridiculous Gran Cohn based drivel. There are countless players in the NFL with arm length around the same size who dominate the league. Would it be better if his arms were 2-3 inches longer? Of course but it is what it is. 33 inch arms aren't t-rex/gator arms.

Carl Lawson and Melvin Ingram are doing just fine and their arms are much smaller.

I mean Aaron Donald has shorter arms, doesn't stop him from dominating wherever he lines up.

Plus I honestly dont' think his arm length is the issue. He doesn't have a huge chest and his traps are pretty good. Some stretching before his measurement probably could've easily added half an inch.

None of the edge rushers you mentioned are elite. I have yet to see ONE DE with short arms drafted top 2 and be elite. Name someone ? Donald is a DT and goes against Guards and Centers most times who has notoriously short arms and exactly why they play inside.Sure some arms are longer but it is what it is. Example Zack Martin 32 7/8" arms.

Can you imagine if McGlinchey 34" or Joe Staley 34.25" gets their hands on Bosa ? He would be done lol.

Bosa doesn't deserve to be top 2, top 15 sure (Donald went #13). A top 2 pick needs to be a franchise player or it will set the organization back. What has he done to be #1 or #2 ? He isn't a freakish athlete, his production wasn't high in college, he's injury prone, he isn't fast, he isn't huge. What am I missing, what is all the hype about ? Ohhhhh because of his brother and family NAME !!! This nonsense reminds me of the Lonzo Ball #2 pick in the NBA. I knew he was going to be trash in the NBA.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by genus49:
First of all Greedy Williams isn't a guarantee of anything.

Second Joey Bosa disappeared because Tom Brady gets the ball out under 3 seconds. He's done nullified virtually every elite DE in the league at one point or another. Using a game against Brady as a way of knocking a DE is stupid.

We have a very strong interior OL, if a QB wants to get the ball out under 3 seconds to mimic what the Pats are doing then let them try it.

Another reason we need an elite CB. Its easier to neutralize a pass rush than to beat an elite CB.

So who is this elite CB?

And no...it's not.

With no pass rush a CB cannot cover all day. And you can always pick on the other corners. Greedy Williams isn't even the best corner in this class so trading down and taking him is a big assumption across the board.

Originally posted by LordGains:
None of the edge rushers you mentioned are elite. I have yet to see ONE DE with short arms drafted top 2 and be elite. Name someone ? Donald is a DT and goes against Guards and Centers most times who has notoriously short arms and exactly why they play inside.Sure some arms are longer but it is what it is. Example Zack Martin 32 7/8" arms.

Can you imagine if McGlinchey 34" or Joe Staley 34.25" gets their hands on Bosa ? He would be done lol.

Bosa doesn't deserve to be top 2, top 15 sure (Donald went #13). A top 2 pick needs to be a franchise player or it will set the organization back. What has he done to be #1 or #2 ? He isn't a freakish athlete, his production wasn't high in college, he's injury prone, he isn't fast, he isn't huge. What am I missing, what is all the hype about ? Ohhhhh because of his brother and family NAME !!! This nonsense reminds me of the Lonzo Ball #2 pick in the NBA. I knew he was going to be trash in the NBA.

ahhh where you getting Joe Staley having 34.25 inch arms?


Josh Allen has 33 1/2 in arms which are considered short for edge rushers as well. guess he's out. Q has 33.25 inch arms and baby hands so he's out....

Originally posted by genus49:
If he's got no speed why is his 10 yard split faster than Allen? Why is it faster than Aldon Smith? His 40 time was almost identical to Aldon and considering how he ran it he's probably much faster if he actually ran in a straight line.

Give me the guy with the faster 10 yard split considering if we need him to run 40 yards to get the QB we're in trouble.

And alligator arms? SteveYoung is that you?

Jared Allen did just fine with his 32 inch arms...must've been because he's a speed rusher with his 4.76 40 yard dash and 1.69 10 yard split right?

Was Jared or Aldon drafted top 2 ? These arguments are IRRELEVANT. The argument is that Bosa does NOT deserve to be #1 or #2 damn it his brother (who is much better) didn't go that high. Also Allen ran as fast as low 4.6 (reported) and was called "FAST and POWERFUL". Aldon's arms were long 35 3/8 and he was a powerful dude. Aldon was not a speed rusher. He also played in the 9ers 3-4 scheme as a LB. Much different from lining up as a DE. By the way Jared was a 4th rd pick ok.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ahhh where you getting Joe Staley having 34.25 inch arms?

👎 extending my 33 inch arms to show you that. Measurables are for the birds https://t.co/S1QMQFawBv

— Joe Staley (@jstaley74) February 27, 2019

Josh Allen has 33 1/2 in arms which are considered short for edge rushers as well. guess he's out. Q has 33.25 inch arms and baby hands so he's out....

His profile says that but i've seen 2 different figures 🤷‍♂️
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=7801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Staley

33 1/2 is longer than 33" Allen vs Bosa

Greedy looked like butt cheeks at the combine lol

Originally posted by LordGains:
None of the edge rushers you mentioned are elite. I have yet to see ONE DE with short arms drafted top 2 and be elite. Name someone ? Donald is a DT and goes against Guards and Centers most times who has notoriously short arms and exactly why they play inside.Sure some arms are longer but it is what it is. Example Zack Martin 32 7/8" arms.

Can you imagine if McGlinchey 34" or Joe Staley 34.25" gets their hands on Bosa ? He would be done lol.

Bosa doesn't deserve to be top 2, top 15 sure (Donald went #13). A top 2 pick needs to be a franchise player or it will set the organization back. What has he done to be #1 or #2 ? He isn't a freakish athlete, his production wasn't high in college, he's injury prone, he isn't fast, he isn't huge. What am I missing, what is all the hype about ? Ohhhhh because of his brother and family NAME !!! This nonsense reminds me of the Lonzo Ball #2 pick in the NBA. I knew he was going to be trash in the NBA.

33 inch arms are not short.

And who cares where they were drafted? Jared Allen was an elite DE in his prime, he had 32 inch arms. Just because he wasn't drafted top 2 means what?

If we were drafting a QB and he compared to Tom Brady would you say Brady was drafted late so it doesn't count?

What happens when McGlinchey or Staley get their hands on Bosa? You're telling me they've never been beaten by someone with shorter arms than them?

Khalil Mack has 1/4 inch on Bosa's arm length. One of his best pass rush moves is his long arm. You're telling me 1/4 inch is the cutoff point?

Have you actually looked at Bosa's game film? I broke it down from his sophomore season. His pass rush production per pass rush snap was in the Aaron Donald rate last year.

Donald had better sack per snap production but Bosa had better hit and hurry per snap.

The idea that he's only a top 2 consideration pick because of his brother is stupid. It literally has done nothing but hurt him because everyone wants to point to Joey as the comparison....or other white DEs drafted high. Somehow nobody wants to bring up Jared Allen because that ruins the image that Bosa can't be an elite DE in the league.

Is he going to win every snap? no, there is no DE in the league who does. Is he going to make us a much better team and help our pass rush improve big time? Hell yes.

If that's to the tune of 10 sacks per season with 40+ hurries and opportunities for other players to get their share then he's absolutely worth the pick.

Originally posted by LordGains:
Was Jared or Aldon drafted top 2 ? These arguments are IRRELEVANT. The argument is that Bosa does NOT deserve to be #1 or #2 damn it his brother (who is much better) didn't go that high. Also Allen ran as fast as low 4.6 (reported) and was called "FAST and POWERFUL". Aldon's arms were long 35 3/8 and he was a powerful dude. Aldon was not a speed rusher. He also played in the 9ers 3-4 scheme as a LB. Much different from lining up as a DE. By the way Jared was a 4th rd pick ok.

HOW do you not get that a 40 time means next to nothing in regards to how fast a DE is on the field? Again show me a clip of a DE rushing 40 yards downfield. the 10-split shows burst and speed. Stuff that transitions to rushing the passer. Bosa isn't gonna run a go-route, god lord

Josh Allen doesn't have long arms either. He was slower in drills that are about ball get-off and quickness. You bring up the 3-4 LB s**t which means nothing when we're talking about rushing the passer. Please explain to me how different it is when you're out of base? How often did we have Aldon smith running around in coverage? How often did Vic Fango have Mack out in coverage? DE has his hand in the dirt which is what Bosa did. Not Allen.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ahhh where you getting Joe Staley having 34.25 inch arms?

???? extending my 33 inch arms to show you that. Measurables are for the birds https://t.co/S1QMQFawBv

— Joe Staley (@jstaley74) February 27, 2019

Josh Allen has 33 1/2 in arms which are considered short for edge rushers as well. guess he's out. Q has 33.25 inch arms and baby hands so he's out....

His profile says that but i've seen 2 different figures ????‍??
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=7801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Staley

33 1/2 is longer than 33" Allen vs Bosa

and Joe Staley said he didn't so that's that. Guess he blows now. It's well known Joe didn't have long arms