Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by genus49:
Of all the things to worry about in life why this?

Because, I went though the Alex Smith years.

Who wants to show up here when the dude does not blast out 80 sacks a year because of the hype.

To be fair, if Alex had a more stable OC vs the revolving door OC that they had, I think he could have been special. He did OK under Harbaugh.

Re: Nick Bosa, this is a fascinating thread discussion since I'm clueless about College football!

Just wanted to bump the thread again.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like people are overthinking this. He may not be the specimen that Myles Garrett or Clowney were, but he's an extremely good pass rusher and overall disruptor, and the fact that we have a chance to draft him (and get him on 5 years of rookie deal) is outstanding.

Stop overthinking. If he goes #1, then we can start the mental gymnastics.

What makes Bosa better than even Josh Allen ? And what makes him a "disrupter" like you claim ?

Bosa 17.5 career sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 77 tackles, 2 pass defense, 0 int, 29 tackles for loss
Josh 31.5 career sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 220 tackles, 8 pass defense, 1 int, 42 tackles for loss

Don't be shocked if 9ers draft Josh if they stay at #2 Since they plan to employ a wide-9 defensive front. A wide-9 employs two wide-9 technique ends.
Josh and Dee Ford are the same type of players 😬

If you're too lazy to look through the thread that's on you but fact is this has been discussed MANY times in here.

Nobody can say for sure Bosa is better than Allen because end of the day this is all a guessing game. Chase Winovich could be the best DE in this class at the end of the day or someone even more obscure.

Draft evaluations are about taking what you see in film, adding the growth you think a player can take and predicting how they do in the NFL.

I think it was you who brought up the boxing analogy of how 1/4-3/4 inch is huge in boxing. Well this isn't boxing and I'm pretty sure Floyd Mayweather with his reach would kick my ass and I have a good 2 inches on his reach. Technique with lesser physical tools will still win over lesser technique and better physical tools.

And Josh and Dee are closer to the same player, which is why it makes even more sense to draft Nick. You want to have whoever we pick at #2 out there same times as Dee, not backing him up or splitting snaps with him. Bosa is a perfect fit for us at Leo in base and stays on the field on obvious passing downs.

Originally posted by LordGains:
Ask a boxer if reach 1/4 to 3/4 inch matters....."Khalil Mack(#5 pick) clocks 4.45 40-yard dash time at Pro Day" Is that speed ? I didn't have to mention Mack's position, it's known. Mack was a LB in college and early career in the NFL. 🙄

DLAW(4.69 40 pro day) is a "true" DE because that's the position he has always played. He was not a LB or 3/4 rushing LB.

Melvin Ingraham was a LB in college he is athletic. Ingraham(#18 pick in draft) in 7 seasons in the NFL has 2 seasons with double digit sacks(10.5 2 times). That's what you want for a #2 pick in Bosa ? 🤢🤮

Dude don't compare Bosa to Jared Allen who produced in college 10.5 sacks in Jr year, 17.5 sacks his senior year.... Bosa 17.5 in 3 seasons 😒

DLAW had 20 sacks in 2 years at Boise state. Jared Allen, Cameron Wake(4.55 40 time pro day), Demarcus Lawrence. Are all speed rushers among other things, turn on the tape. They consistently got sacks with SPEED. No matter what they ran in the 40.

"Brandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher".... Realize what you said ? "NOT JUST" meaning he ALSO is a speed rusher.

Bosa has NO speed. He has short arms AND is SLOW, He got most of his sacks with technique against bad tackles. People also do not realize Bosa got many of his sacks from rushing INSIDE. 🤔

Since you want to compare these other pass rushers with short arms, which ones went top 2 in their draft ? Jared Allen went in 4th rd. Cameron Wake UNDRAFTED. Brandon Graham #13 Melvin Ingraham #18 Dee Ford #23 Vic Beasley #8 Za'Darius Smith 4th rd. Yet you want the 9ers to Draft Slow, Alligator arms🐊, low production in college, injury prone Nick Bosa with the 2nd pick in the draft ? Hahahahahahahahahaha

If he's got no speed why is his 10 yard split faster than Allen? Why is it faster than Aldon Smith? His 40 time was almost identical to Aldon and considering how he ran it he's probably much faster if he actually ran in a straight line.

Give me the guy with the faster 10 yard split considering if we need him to run 40 yards to get the QB we're in trouble.

And alligator arms? SteveYoung is that you?

Jared Allen did just fine with his 32 inch arms...must've been because he's a speed rusher with his 4.76 40 yard dash and 1.69 10 yard split right?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LordGains:
Ask a boxer if reach 1/4 to 3/4 inch matters....."Khalil Mack(#5 pick) clocks 4.45 40-yard dash time at Pro Day" Is that speed ? I didn't have to mention Mack's position, it's known. Mack was a LB in college and early career in the NFL. 🙄

DLAW(4.69 40 pro day) is a "true" DE because that's the position he has always played. He was not a LB or 3/4 rushing LB.

Melvin Ingraham was a LB in college he is athletic. Ingraham(#18 pick in draft) in 7 seasons in the NFL has 2 seasons with double digit sacks(10.5 2 times). That's what you want for a #2 pick in Bosa ? 🤢🤮

Dude don't compare Bosa to Jared Allen who produced in college 10.5 sacks in Jr year, 17.5 sacks his senior year.... Bosa 17.5 in 3 seasons 😒

DLAW had 20 sacks in 2 years at Boise state. Jared Allen, Cameron Wake(4.55 40 time pro day), Demarcus Lawrence. Are all speed rushers among other things, turn on the tape. They consistently got sacks with SPEED. No matter what they ran in the 40.

"Brandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher".... Realize what you said ? "NOT JUST" meaning he ALSO is a speed rusher.

Bosa has NO speed. He has short arms AND is SLOW, He got most of his sacks with technique against bad tackles. People also do not realize Bosa got many of his sacks from rushing INSIDE. 🤔

Since you want to compare these other pass rushers with short arms, which ones went top 2 in their draft ? Jared Allen went in 4th rd. Cameron Wake UNDRAFTED. Brandon Graham #13 Melvin Ingraham #18 Dee Ford #23 Vic Beasley #8 Za'Darius Smith 4th rd. Yet you want the 9ers to Draft Slow, Alligator arms🐊, low production in college, injury prone Nick Bosa with the 2nd pick in the draft ? Hahahahahahahahahaha

If he's got no speed why is his 10 yard split faster than Allen? Why is it faster than Aldon Smith? His 40 time was almost identical to Aldon and considering how he ran it he's probably much faster if he actually ran in a straight line.

He is not a boxer, and his lower center of gravity actually is better for this team then slightly longer arms....

Can it matter? Yes....

Does his leg drive and push matter more?.... Yes....

Hands are the best tools to counter arm length. Bosa has elite hands.

Murray to Phoenix is a done deal.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Murray to Phoenix is a done deal.

Source?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
there so much wrong with all of this.

In what world does a 40 time matter for a OLB/DE? Please show me all the film of a DE/OLB running in a straight line 40 yards downfield....It's all about that 10-yard split, 3-cone, 20 yard shuttle all of which Bosa was damn near the same as Mack. In college Mack won with speed to power more than him bending around the edge and that's remains true today.

DLaw was worse at every drill that required quickness compared to Bosa and was 15 lbs lighter. Mack and DLaw are probably two of the best edge rushers in the NFL ane NEITHER are known as elite speed rushers or have the length that you seem to be obsessed with. That's why I brought up all the other f**king good DEs who has shorter arms. I don't give two s**ts when they were drafted they've thrived in the NFL for a long time. even without 34+ inch arms.

Also who gives a f**k if a guy played OLB or DE anyway? Rushing the passer is rushing the passer one does it standing up and another with his hand in the dirt. Most good edge guys can do whatever. I don't care about that s**t. We just traded for a guy thats a so called OLBer yet we run a 4-3. Only real difference is you gotta be able to edge defend vs tackles as a LEO in this scheme something Bosa can do.

Finally, please show me all the clips of Bosa lined up as a DT and getting sacks inside???! Love to see it...

Weak response 😴😴 So Mack a 4.45 guy is not known as an elite speed rusher lololol 🤥 Stop it !!! Do you watch football lol ? Do you realise Mack's power comes from his speed also ? Dude is the same size as Von Miller. DLaw and Mack blow by tackles alllll the time for sacks. 40 times doesn't matter ?

So if a DE runs 5.00 he's going to be 1st rd ? Would you draf himt #1 ? 40 times matter, if not why run it ? Sure the other drills carry a lot of weight and are just as important too but hey what was Von Miller's 40 😌. 40 time shows explosiveness, athleticism and speed.

Some guys test better than others but that's why u have FILM to confirm. Bosa did NOTHING in college, he's living off a name. If dude was a Mexican he wouldn't even be mentioned. Josh Allen is a better pass rusher hands down.

I wouldn't waste my time posting clips of Bosa, he only has couple of sacks lol. Watch his highlights buddy, his clips are really short 😆✌️

Originally posted by Dshearn:
He is not a boxer, and his lower center of gravity actually is better for this team then slightly longer arms....

Can it matter? Yes....

Does his leg drive and push matter more?.... Yes....

Bosa's arms being an issue is a ridiculous Gran Cohn based drivel. There are countless players in the NFL with arm length around the same size who dominate the league. Would it be better if his arms were 2-3 inches longer? Of course but it is what it is. 33 inch arms aren't t-rex/gator arms.

Carl Lawson and Melvin Ingram are doing just fine and their arms are much smaller.

I mean Aaron Donald has shorter arms, doesn't stop him from dominating wherever he lines up.

Plus I honestly dont' think his arm length is the issue. He doesn't have a huge chest and his traps are pretty good. Some stretching before his measurement probably could've easily added half an inch.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
He is not a boxer, and his lower center of gravity actually is better for this team then slightly longer arms....

Can it matter? Yes....

Does his leg drive and push matter more?.... Yes....

Nope he's not a boxer, it's just an example. Simply means an OL with longer arms would grab his @$$ before he can grab their cloth to neutralize him. Seen that he's so slow, his hand techniques have to be elite. In a league where dudes like Brady, Rogers etc gets rid of the football quickly, turtles like Bosa won't be effective enough lol.

Originally posted by LordGains:
Weak response 😴😴 So Mack a 4.45 guy is not known as an elite speed rusher lololol 🤥 Stop it !!! Do you watch football lol ? Do you realise Mack's power comes from his speed also ? Dude is the same size as Von Miller. DLaw and Mack blow by tackles alllll the time for sacks. 40 times doesn't matter ?

So if a DE runs 5.00 he's going to be 1st rd ? Would you draf himt #1 ? 40 times matter, if not why run it ? Sure the other drills carry a lot of weight and are just as important too but hey what was Von Miller's 40 😌. 40 time shows explosiveness, athleticism and speed.

Some guys test better than others but that's why u have FILM to confirm. Bosa did NOTHING in college, he's living off a name. If dude was a Mexican he wouldn't even be mentioned. Josh Allen is a better pass rusher hands down.

I wouldn't waste my time posting clips of Bosa, he only has couple of sacks lol. Watch his highlights buddy, his clips are really short 😆✌️

Ok thanks for telling us what we already knew based on your posts in here.

Here's a crazy thought....go watch more than highlights? Maybe that can actually show something that doesn't show up in the stat sheet?

And 40 time for DEs means very little. Aldon Smith ran a 4.78 40. Based on your point he must suck.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
He is not a boxer, and his lower center of gravity actually is better for this team then slightly longer arms....

Can it matter? Yes....

Does his leg drive and push matter more?.... Yes....

Nope he's not a boxer, it's just an example. Simply means an OL with longer arms would grab his @$$ before he can grab their cloth to neutralize him. Seen that he's so slow, his hand techniques have to be elite. In a league where dudes like Brady, Rogers etc gets rid of the football quickly, turtles like Bosa won't be effective enough lol.

What's the matter hard to see hand usage on highlights?

If the QB gets rid of the ball fast there isn't much that can be done regardless. If anything Brady has a harder time against DEs that can bullrush and push the pocket.

Considering Bosa would be joining a DL with Buckner and Ford among others I'd say QBs better get the ball out very quick if they want to move the ball in the air.

I'm cool off Bosa. He will beat the average to below average tackles but he will disappear vs the elite tackles of the league, just like Joey Bosa did vs NE in the playoffs last year.



Trade down, draft an elite CB, Greedy Williams.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Weak response 😴😴 So Mack a 4.45 guy is not known as an elite speed rusher lololol 🤥 Stop it !!! Do you watch football lol ? Do you realise Mack's power comes from his speed also ? Dude is the same size as Von Miller. DLaw and Mack blow by tackles alllll the time for sacks. 40 times doesn't matter ?

So if a DE runs 5.00 he's going to be 1st rd ? Would you draf himt #1 ? 40 times matter, if not why run it ? Sure the other drills carry a lot of weight and are just as important too but hey what was Von Miller's 40 😌. 40 time shows explosiveness, athleticism and speed.

Some guys test better than others but that's why u have FILM to confirm. Bosa did NOTHING in college, he's living off a name. If dude was a Mexican he wouldn't even be mentioned. Josh Allen is a better pass rusher hands down.

I wouldn't waste my time posting clips of Bosa, he only has couple of sacks lol. Watch his highlights buddy, his clips are really short 😆✌️

Hahahahahahahajahjahajahajahajaj saying I don't watch football yet you keep pointing out a guys a speed rusher because of a 40 time 🥴 Please let me know when a DE has to tackle a QB 40 yards downfield derp.

Yes it's called speed to power like I said. Something Mack/DLaw are good at and something that Bosa does well. His combine numbers back that up with the 10-yard spit...how do you not understand that? Why do QBs run 40s? No one gives a f**k if Jared Goff runs a 5 sec 40, but they still do it. Where do you think they get the split number from? The 40

Hahahahaha I ask you to show me something and you can't...tells me where you're at. You bring up "flim" yet I'm guessing you watch a couple highlight clips.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
Murray to Phoenix is a done deal.

Source?

Once they trade Rosen then I'll believe it.