Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by random49er:
You conveniently left out "good" young DTs this time. And was he "given" $9 million (inferring it's "new" money/they're pleased with him),...or was that simply the 49ers taking out the 5th yr option of his initial contract?

It's the 49ers option,...not AAs. His options come in play this offseason. You surely dont think that little 5th yr option detail would be a factor in us not taking a DT this year, do you??

Our IDL wasn't an issue at all last yr. They didn't "have" to give him $9 million at all. No one said they had to give AA the 5th yr option.

I'm also saying SF has who at edge? please tell me who? Ford who's basically on a one yr deal. Then who? They do have 7 IDL that are 25 or younger. BUT yes let's keep stacking up more DTs.

If you think Bosa is dog s**t then that's a different debate, if you think we need to take DT over edge then I will disagree with you for days. IMO I also view Bosa as a top end talent and if both are sitting there it's a easy choice.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.

I think he's a top talent at edge....he has all the nuances of a player that can be a 10 sacks guy yr in and yr out.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Show me where you got your totals.

I tried checking Chubb's totals but couldn't find them. If I was wrong about it then please show me where you found your info, you didn't post a link in your post.

Second it changes nothing regarding the main point which is Bosa's play per snap was elite level.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gopack.com/documents/2018/2/14/2017SeniorBios.pdf

I could post more links but they're everywhere. It was simply a false assumption. Once we include bowl game snaps (Chubb DNP),....Bosa actually played way more snaps.

And when you're making it a point that Bosa was more productive with way less snaps,...of course, reality changes things back to -- a more realistic outlook. Not necessarily for you,...but for others that may read false info and take it as gospel. Correct info is for everyone,...not solely the person someone's replied to. #BackToFootball

Thank you for posting that...now explain to me how

536 snaps is MORE than 673 or 706?

If you have a link that actually lists how many of the snaps for Chubb were pass downs vs run downs and I'm still wrong that's on me but your very own link shows I was right with Chubb having more snaps. So after coming in here to be mr fact check I'm still confused by how you think you accomplished that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.

I think he's a top talent at edge....he has all the nuances of a player that can be a 10 sacks guy yr in and yr out.

I feel like people are overthinking this. He may not be the specimen that Myles Garrett or Clowney were, but he's an extremely good pass rusher and overall disruptor, and the fact that we have a chance to draft him (and get him on 5 years of rookie deal) is outstanding.

Stop overthinking. If he goes #1, then we can start the mental gymnastics.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.

Cowboy is what the team needs anyways. An end who can take on doubles from the strongside in nickel and still be effective. We got our wide 9 rusher in Ford.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ahhh no need for the nasty b******t comment my dude. THIS is what you said AND I QUOTE (and what I commented on)...

I'm glad you posted this none of the guys on this list, who's arms are 33 or under are "true" DEs. They also average about 6 sacks per season, and all are speed rushers and faster than Nick Bosa. These guys under 33" arms are really LBs that rush the passer and not "true" DEs. They make up for it with speed, something Bosa doesn't have. Dee Ford is solid but I don't consider him elite, he can become tho with consistency.

If you're trying to tell me .25 inches to .75 inches are the reason why Mack and Law can be called "TRUE" DE then I call b******t. In case you didn't know Ingram is a DE in LA and plays the LEO position. Brdandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher. Jared Allen had 32" arms and is a prototypical 4-3 DE. Cameron Wake has 32 inch arms and played in a 4-3 for yrs.

Ask a boxer if reach 1/4 to 3/4 inch matters....."Khalil Mack(#5 pick) clocks 4.45 40-yard dash time at Pro Day" Is that speed ? I didn't have to mention Mack's position, it's known. Mack was a LB in college and early career in the NFL. 🙄

DLAW(4.69 40 pro day) is a "true" DE because that's the position he has always played. He was not a LB or 3/4 rushing LB.

Melvin Ingraham was a LB in college he is athletic. Ingraham(#18 pick in draft) in 7 seasons in the NFL has 2 seasons with double digit sacks(10.5 2 times). That's what you want for a #2 pick in Bosa ? 🤢🤮

Dude don't compare Bosa to Jared Allen who produced in college 10.5 sacks in Jr year, 17.5 sacks his senior year.... Bosa 17.5 in 3 seasons 😒

DLAW had 20 sacks in 2 years at Boise state. Jared Allen, Cameron Wake(4.55 40 time pro day), Demarcus Lawrence. Are all speed rushers among other things, turn on the tape. They consistently got sacks with SPEED. No matter what they ran in the 40.

"Brandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher".... Realize what you said ? "NOT JUST" meaning he ALSO is a speed rusher.

Bosa has NO speed. He has short arms AND is SLOW, He got most of his sacks with technique against bad tackles. People also do not realize Bosa got many of his sacks from rushing INSIDE. 🤔

Since you want to compare these other pass rushers with short arms, which ones went top 2 in their draft ? Jared Allen went in 4th rd. Cameron Wake UNDRAFTED. Brandon Graham #13 Melvin Ingraham #18 Dee Ford #23 Vic Beasley #8 Za'Darius Smith 4th rd. Yet you want the 9ers to Draft Slow, Alligator arms🐊, low production in college, injury prone Nick Bosa with the 2nd pick in the draft ? Hahahahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by genus49:

Thank you for posting that...now explain to me how

536 snaps is MORE than 673 or 706?

If you have a link that actually lists how many of the snaps for Chubb were pass downs vs run downs and I'm still wrong that's on me but your very own link shows I was right with Chubb having more snaps. So after coming in here to be mr fact check I'm still confused by how you think you accomplished that.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Most pro-ready prospect coming outta the draft. Sure he doesn't have a blazing 40 yard time but he has all the tools to succeed as a pass rusher in the NFL. There's a reason why people, fans, media and ex-NFL coaches are anointing the #1 overall pick in most Mock Drafts. They don't talk about how much or how little sacks Nick Bosa has, they talk about how he is as a pass rusher.

I mean his technique, pros and cons have been discussed in this 408 page thread. It's like the same record playing over and over again.

I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.

Of all the things to worry about in life why this?

Who cares what people on here say? Whether people hype him up or call him garbage it won't change how he plays if he is drafted by us. Hope for the best and leave it at that.

Never understood why people care so much about what other people think. If you like him for the 49ers then that's all that should matter to you.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Most pro-ready prospect coming outta the draft. Sure he doesn't have a blazing 40 yard time but he has all the tools to succeed as a pass rusher in the NFL. There's a reason why people, fans, media and ex-NFL coaches are anointing the #1 overall pick in most Mock Drafts. They don't talk about how much or how little sacks Nick Bosa has, they talk about how he is as a pass rusher.

I mean his technique, pros and cons have been discussed in this 408 page thread. It's like the same record playing over and over again.

I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.

Of all the things to worry about in life why this?

Who cares what people on here say? Whether people hype him up or call him garbage it won't change how he plays if he is drafted by us. Hope for the best and leave it at that.

Never understood why people care so much about what other people think. If you like him for the 49ers then that's all that should matter to you.

Your first time on a discussion board?

Originally posted by English:
Your first time on a discussion board?

I have been around you insufferable lot since before the webpage moved to this forum.....

My concern is grounded......

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Cowboy is what the team needs anyways. An end who can take on doubles from the strongside in nickel and still be effective. We got our wide 9 rusher in Ford.

I agree, with the addition to Ford and Buckner, I think he is an ideal fit. I think in the future it lets the team splurge on a guy similar to Sweat knowing the base defense is sound.

Plus it might be the only way to make the ST anything other then a wasted pick. Moving ST inside is a win/win.

I really hope they get the guy.

Originally posted by genus49:
Of all the things to worry about in life why this?

Because, I went though the Alex Smith years.

Who wants to show up here when the dude does not blast out 80 sacks a year because of the hype.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Ask a boxer if reach 1/4 to 3/4 inch matters....."Khalil Mack(#5 pick) clocks 4.45 40-yard dash time at Pro Day" Is that speed ? I didn't have to mention Mack's position, it's known. Mack was a LB in college and early career in the NFL. 🙄

DLAW(4.69 40 pro day) is a "true" DE because that's the position he has always played. He was not a LB or 3/4 rushing LB.

Melvin Ingraham was a LB in college he is athletic. Ingraham(#18 pick in draft) in 7 seasons in the NFL has 2 seasons with double digit sacks(10.5 2 times). That's what you want for a #2 pick in Bosa ? 🤢🤮

Dude don't compare Bosa to Jared Allen who produced in college 10.5 sacks in Jr year, 17.5 sacks his senior year.... Bosa 17.5 in 3 seasons 😒

DLAW had 20 sacks in 2 years at Boise state. Jared Allen, Cameron Wake(4.55 40 time pro day), Demarcus Lawrence. Are all speed rushers among other things, turn on the tape. They consistently got sacks with SPEED. No matter what they ran in the 40.

"Brandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher".... Realize what you said ? "NOT JUST" meaning he ALSO is a speed rusher.

Bosa has NO speed. He has short arms AND is SLOW, He got most of his sacks with technique against bad tackles. People also do not realize Bosa got many of his sacks from rushing INSIDE. 🤔

Since you want to compare these other pass rushers with short arms, which ones went top 2 in their draft ? Jared Allen went in 4th rd. Cameron Wake UNDRAFTED. Brandon Graham #13 Melvin Ingraham #18 Dee Ford #23 Vic Beasley #8 Za'Darius Smith 4th rd. Yet you want the 9ers to Draft Slow, Alligator arms🐊, low production in college, injury prone Nick Bosa with the 2nd pick in the draft ? Hahahahahahahahahaha

there so much wrong with all of this.

In what world does a 40 time matter for a OLB/DE? Please show me all the film of a DE/OLB running in a straight line 40 yards downfield....It's all about that 10-yard split, 3-cone, 20 yard shuttle all of which Bosa was damn near the same as Mack. In college Mack won with speed to power more than him bending around the edge and that's remains true today.

DLaw was worse at every drill that required quickness compared to Bosa and was 15 lbs lighter. Mack and DLaw are probably two of the best edge rushers in the NFL ane NEITHER are known as elite speed rushers or have the length that you seem to be obsessed with. That's why I brought up all the other f**king good DEs who has shorter arms. I don't give two s**ts when they were drafted they've thrived in the NFL for a long time. even without 34+ inch arms.

Also who gives a f**k if a guy played OLB or DE anyway? Rushing the passer is rushing the passer one does it standing up and another with his hand in the dirt. Most good edge guys can do whatever. I don't care about that s**t. We just traded for a guy thats a so called OLBer yet we run a 4-3. Only real difference is you gotta be able to edge defend vs tackles as a LEO in this scheme something Bosa can do.

Finally, please show me all the clips of Bosa lined up as a DT and getting sacks inside???! Love to see it...

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like people are overthinking this. He may not be the specimen that Myles Garrett or Clowney were, but he's an extremely good pass rusher and overall disruptor, and the fact that we have a chance to draft him (and get him on 5 years of rookie deal) is outstanding.

Stop overthinking. If he goes #1, then we can start the mental gymnastics.

What makes Bosa better than even Josh Allen ? And what makes him a "disrupter" like you claim ?

Bosa 17.5 career sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 77 tackles, 2 pass defense, 0 int, 29 tackles for loss
Josh 31.5 career sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 220 tackles, 8 pass defense, 1 int, 42 tackles for loss

Don't be shocked if 9ers draft Josh if they stay at #2 Since they plan to employ a wide-9 defensive front. A wide-9 employs two wide-9 technique ends.
Josh and Dee Ford are the same type of players 😬

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by genus49:
Of all the things to worry about in life why this?

Because, I went though the Alex Smith years.

Who wants to show up here when the dude does not blast out 80 sacks a year because of the hype.

I don't get the comparison. I was here for Alex Smith, don't recall the hype being anything special, if anything the site was pretty torn between him and Rodgers.

Prospect hype doesnt' change how they play and certainly people on here hyping someone up doesn't change that. For everyone who's been posting here for a while or just lurking for a while we know how it goes. There are certain webzone favorites and everyone else gets kind of forgotten. When the favorites aren't selected you get a lot of "who?"

End of the day if you think Bosa is a good prospect and one that can help us win games then what does his hype in the pre-draft process do? Just because he's hyped up doesn't mean he will automatically suck.

Myles Garrett was hyped up pretty big time, think Cleveland is upset at having him on their team?

Bosa is the best DE in a pretty talented group. Only question I think people have is if his ceiling is as high as the more athletically gifted but not as pro ready prospects like Allen, Burns, Sweat, etc...

I think honestly at this point his last name is hurting him. If he was black and not a Bosa I think people would be a lot more excited about his potential.