Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by random49er:

Been here since 2012. It's just about draft time. I'd much rather talk about the reality of what's going to happen with the team and the draft than this or that person's condescending tone.

Speaking of ignoring,...Someone stated in another thread that Bradley Chubb got way more snaps w/10 sacks than Bosa got with 8. I found the numbers and it was actually untrue with Bosa getting more snaps. Isin't that what a board needs close to the draft,...actual fact-checking??

They then proceed to ignore me, as you said.

You might see the facts provided as condescending,...I see it as a win-win situation because we're at least closer to reality. I have no qualms whatsoever about people that don't like to be disagreed with ignoring facts, what's really going on, et. al.

What? Dude your tone as been straight condescending in here. We disagree on a player and disagree with how they should use that 2nd overall pick that's it.

This FO HAS given AA $9 million this yr, they did draft Thomas 3rd overall, they have neen talking to Buck on a LT contract, they have drafted Jones/Streets/Taylor who will all be interior rushers and have also brought in Day that's been a good rotational player. They're all young.

Those are facts. They've given Ford a deal that is realisticly a one yr deal with little dead money. They cut Marsh and have nothing on the edge. Whether you think Bosa sucks or not is a different topic vs them wanting to draft an edge rusher over a DT.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Someone comes in, makes a lot of noise dumping on people, then everyone simply disregards their posts, they shout into the void for a few more weeks, then they get bored and stop posting.

Been here since 2012. It's just about draft time. I'd much rather talk about the reality of what's going to happen with the team and the draft than this or that person's condescending tone.

Speaking of ignoring,...Someone stated in another thread that Bradley Chubb got way more snaps w/10 sacks than Bosa got with 8. I found the numbers and it was actually untrue with Bosa getting more snaps. Isin't that what a board needs close to the draft,...actual fact-checking??

They then proceed to ignore me, as you said.

You might see the facts provided as condescending,...I see it as a win-win situation because we're at least closer to reality. I have no qualms whatsoever about people that don't like to be disagreed with ignoring facts, what's really going on, et. al.

Your opinions aren't facts. If someone makes a false statistical claim and you correct it, that is a fact vs false claim discussion. You are crapping on people's opinions, because they differ from yours, but you refer to your opinion (or your predictions) as "reality," when its actually "probability," based on your perspective.

But, don't worry about me. Continue posting out of arrogance, and maybe you'll get another 300 posts in before you're just talking to yourself.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Having a FQB changes your team and they new coaching staff might not see Rosen as that. I've also said Murray will go one, doesn't necessarily have to be to AZ. Wild I know.

Also if you view Q as this game changing DT why the f**k don't you have him going #1?

Makes a lil more sense,...but at least recognize the risk in this switch, in getting Murray, and in recognizing they've largely devalued their #10 pick from just a year ago if you're so adamant we have to plan around DTs that were picked before this staff was even here.

I haven't boxed any defensive players in at #1 or #2,....still alot of unknowns still waiting to be known out there,....still alot of variables at play. Thus far, that's been precisely the point,...that 1 of them isin't far away from the pack as is being suggested by you and a couple others ad nauseum. (I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings, but this is football, right?)

You might not admit it, but there are reasonable doubts about the top 2 edge rushers,...and that includes your guy.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Your opinions aren't facts. If someone makes a false statistical claim and you correct it, that is a fact vs false claim discussion. You are crapping on people's opinions, because they differ from yours, but you refer to your opinion (or your predictions) as "reality," when its actually "probability," based on your perspective.

But, don't worry about me. Continue posting out of arrogance, and maybe you'll get another 300 posts in before you're just talking to yourself.

No one's opinions are facts,...that's a given. A couple former 1st round pick DTs that could have their contracts completely expired at the end of the 2019 season isin't an opinion though, it's a fact.

It's not likely to happen,...but it at least needs to be recognized in the discussion. If providing evidence is something that leads towards high-post people simply logging on to agree with each other and drowning out others,...not best for the board, but so be it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Makes a lil more sense,...but at least recognize the risk in this switch, in getting Murray, and in recognizing they've largely devalued their #10 pick from just a year ago if you're so adamant we have to plan around DTs that were picked before this staff was even here.

I haven't boxed any defensive players in at #1 or #2,....still alot of unknowns still waiting to be known out there,....still alot of variables at play. Thus far, that's been precisely the point,...that 1 of them isin't far away from the pack as is being suggested by you and a couple others ad nauseum.

You might not admit it, but there are reasonable doubts about the top 2 edge rushers,...and that includes your guy.

Where did I say Bosa was worlds better than Q? I've stated I view them as 1A and 1B. We just happen to have a truck load of good young DTs and are about to pay a guy $100 million that would play the same position as Q. Sure you can throw Q at NT in base, but he's a full-time 3-tech imo.

I've also seen people doubt Q based off only having 1 yr production and lack of conditioning, which was in issue in the NT game.

My opinion (that's all it is) is QB goes one because that's the theme of most drafts....After that you can debate Bosa vs Q as prospects, but you can't logically argue that we have a bigger need at iDL vs edge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Where did I say Bosa was worlds better than Q? I've stated I view them as 1A and 1B. We just happen to have a truck load of good young DTs and are about to pay a guy $100 million

This is that opinion stuff Wrath was suggesting. It's far from fact and there are plausible scenarios where QW could come in and be a major contributor and not even have 2 or 3 of the guys you deem "good young DTs." You generally earn a starting spot pick number be damned. If anyone's earned that, it's Buckner.

I've also seen people doubt Q based off only having 1 yr production and lack of conditioning, which was in issue in the NT game.

As have I.

Doubts about Josh Allen's mits, full-agility profile, and best position, although he's proven he can put his hand in the ground and has a non-stop motor.

Doubts about Bosa finishing plays (the ones he wins as well), long-term health (to be a Top 2 pick), and full body of work.

Let us know when there's a new report out on Bosa that devalues these sentiments. Even with a trade for Murray,...no one's the front and center, obvious, no-other-options, #2 pick. Given the evidence, this is the reality right now.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Someone comes in, makes a lot of noise dumping on people, then everyone simply disregards their posts, they shout into the void for a few more weeks, then they get bored and stop posting.

Been here since 2012. It's just about draft time. I'd much rather talk about the reality of what's going to happen with the team and the draft than this or that person's condescending tone.

Speaking of ignoring,...Someone stated in another thread that Bradley Chubb got way more snaps w/10 sacks than Bosa got with 8. I found the numbers and it was actually untrue with Bosa getting more snaps. Isin't that what a board needs close to the draft,...actual fact-checking??

They then proceed to ignore me, as you said.

You might see the facts provided as condescending,...I see it as a win-win situation because we're at least closer to reality. I have no qualms whatsoever about people that don't like to be disagreed with ignoring facts, what's really going on, et. al.

Show me where you got your totals.

I tried checking Chubb's totals but couldn't find them. If I was wrong about it then please show me where you found your info, you didn't post a link in your post.

Second it changes nothing regarding the main point which is Bosa's play per snap was elite level.

And you have been beyond condescending your whole time in this thread and others, grasping at tiny straws and making ridiculous statements. If you want people to discuss things with you get off your high horse and talk to people like you'd want to be talked to.

Originally posted by genus49:
Show me where you got your totals.

I tried checking Chubb's totals but couldn't find them. If I was wrong about it then please show me where you found your info, you didn't post a link in your post.

Second it changes nothing regarding the main point which is Bosa's play per snap was elite level.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gopack.com/documents/2018/2/14/2017SeniorBios.pdf

I could post more links but they're everywhere. It was simply a false assumption. Once we include bowl game snaps (Chubb DNP),....Bosa actually played way more snaps.

And when you're making it a point that Bosa was more productive with way less snaps,...of course, reality changes things back to -- a more realistic outlook. Not necessarily for you,...but for others that may read false info and take it as gospel. Correct info is for everyone,...not solely the person someone's replied to. #BackToFootball

Originally posted by genus49:
Who said he was rushing only on obvious passing downs?

Only you

I said he was on the field during obvious passing downs, and that is 100% factually correct. He was well rested and on the field for the majority of the teams 3rd and longs.

Your own statistics here, should show you had a very good sample rate of passing downs. How about you compare that to other top prospects that have faced dudes you have never heard about and get back with us.

Originally posted by random49er:

This is that opinion stuff Wrath was suggesting. It's far from fact and there are plausible scenarios where QW could come in and be a major contributor and not even have 2 or 3 of the guys you deem "good young DTs." You generally earn a starting spot pick number be damned. If anyone's earned that, it's Buckner.

I've also seen people doubt Q based off only having 1 yr production and lack of conditioning, which was in issue in the NT game.

As have I.

Doubts about Josh Allen's mits, full-agility profile, and best position, although he's proven he can put his hand in the ground and has a non-stop motor.

Doubts about Bosa finishing plays (the ones he wins as well), long-term health (to be a Top 2 pick), and full body of work.

Let us know when there's a new report out on Bosa that devalues these sentiments. Even with a trade for Murray,...no one's the front and center, obvious, no-other-options, #2 pick. Given the evidence, this is the reality right now.

What's opinion? That we have a bunch of young DTs? Drafted 4 DTs in two yrs, gave AA $9 million this yr, you can't logically say at the minimum Buck won't be given the 5th yr option.

This forums interesting sometimes

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's opinion? That we have a bunch of young DTs? Drafted 4 DTs in two yrs, gave AA $9 million this yr, you can't logically say at the minimum Buck won't be given the 5th yr option.

You conveniently left out "good" young DTs this time. And was he "given" $9 million (inferring it's "new" money/they're pleased with him),...or was that simply the 49ers taking out the 5th yr option of his initial contract?

It's the 49ers option,...not AAs. His options come in play this offseason. You surely dont think that little 5th yr option detail would be a factor in us not taking a DT this year, do you??

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Most pro-ready prospect coming outta the draft. Sure he doesn't have a blazing 40 yard time but he has all the tools to succeed as a pass rusher in the NFL. There's a reason why people, fans, media and ex-NFL coaches are anointing the #1 overall pick in most Mock Drafts. They don't talk about how much or how little sacks Nick Bosa has, they talk about how he is as a pass rusher.

I mean his technique, pros and cons have been discussed in this 408 page thread. It's like the same record playing over and over again.

I am pro-Bosa, i hope we get the chance to take him.

I am worried about people thinking he is more then what he is due to the hype. He is a good player, a good prospect. I think he can be a cowboy replacement for the team. I don't think he is the one man wrecking ball people think he is.