Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

and that's like saying QW who has 8 career sacks will be get 21 sacks like Donald did this yr I got no problem saying both could be amazing football players...one happens to play a position of need.

"Position of Need" The true positions of need are all in your head...sure

Whatever you say bro. Drafting 4 DTs in the 1st rd in 5 yrs is clearly the way to build a great team no doubt

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bosa-Buck-Thomas-ford who the s**t doesn't want that

Replace Thomas with Day

Totally forgot about him. Sweet yet another young DT to add to a good rotation....please let's draft more

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Whatever you say bro. Drafting 4 DTs in the 1st rd in 5 yrs is clearly the way to build a great team no doubt

Means so much when the ones 4-5 yrs ago have expiring contracts and arent yet extended, right? But no no,...just keep saying it over and over: "We wont need any DTackles for years and years."

Funniest thing is you are here to suggest that Arizona will draft 2 QBs in the 1st round in 2 years!! Otherwise, we're not getting this guy.

Somehow you've calculated the only thing that makes sense for us, and can't figure out that your rhetoric should really apply to Arizona instead, hence, them getting Bosa.

But no,...ignore reality and just say it over and over and it'll become true.

If Bosa is truly so good and a generational player the Cards wouldn't pass on him. Instead they're going to draft a QB when they just drafted one last year in the first round lol.

I just don't see the need to stay put for Bosa or even hype him up as the best player in the draft. Allen will be just as good in the pros if not better.

It's a win win it seems drafting either Bosa or Allen at #2 but the separation between the two isn't as huge as most people in this thread think

Originally posted by random49er:

Means so much when the ones 4-5 yrs ago have expiring contracts and arent yet extended, right? But no no,...just keep saying it over and over: "We wont need any DTackles for years and years."

Funniest thing is you are here to suggest that Arizona will draft 2 QBs in the 1st round in 2 years!! Otherwise, we're not getting this guy.

Somehow you've calculated the only thing that makes sense for us, and can't figure out that your rhetoric should really apply to Arizona instead, hence, them getting Bosa.

But no,...ignore reality and just say it over and over and it'll become true.

Arizona brought in a new coach and Rosen doesn't fit the scheme. Dumb but that's where they're at. Solomon Thomas is a Kyle Shanahan selection, Buckner has excelled in this scheme. It's 2 different scenarios.

we should draft dt with all of our picks

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Whatever you say bro. Drafting 4 DTs in the 1st rd in 5 yrs is clearly the way to build a great team no doubt

Means so much when the ones 4-5 yrs ago have expiring contracts and arent yet extended, right? But no no,...just keep saying it over and over: "We wont need any DTackles for years and years."

Funniest thing is you are here to suggest that Arizona will draft 2 QBs in the 1st round in 2 years!! Otherwise, we're not getting this guy.

Somehow you've calculated the only thing that makes sense for us, and can't figure out that your rhetoric should really apply to Arizona instead, hence, them getting Bosa.

But no,...ignore reality and just say it over and over and it'll become true.

If you're actually here to discuss football, you might consider engaging people more respectfully. Nothing you have posted leads me to believe you know or understand more than the average poster here, but your condescension is going a long way to convincing people to ignore you. We see it every year here. Someone comes in, makes a lot of noise dumping on people, then everyone simply disregards their posts, they shout into the void for a few more weeks, then they get bored and stop posting. That appears to be the path you are on. We'll see.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Arizona brought in a new coach and Rosen doesn't fit the scheme. Dumb but that's where they're at. Solomon Thomas is a Kyle Shanahan selection, Buckner has excelled in this scheme. It's 2 different scenarios.

Don't we have a new front office and new coach on defense with schemes different than when we drafted DTs 4 and 5 years ago? Things are more similar than people would like to let on.

If we don't have any excuse whatsoever to pick a DT, it's certainly the same for them and QB. Faulty logic all throughout.

Originally posted by random49er:

Means so much when the ones 4-5 yrs ago have expiring contracts and arent yet extended, right? But no no,...just keep saying it over and over: "We wont need any DTackles for years and years."

Funniest thing is you are here to suggest that Arizona will draft 2 QBs in the 1st round in 2 years!! Otherwise, we're not getting this guy.

Somehow you've calculated the only thing that makes sense for us, and can't figure out that your rhetoric should really apply to Arizona instead, hence, them getting Bosa.

But no,...ignore reality and just say it over and over and it'll become true.

Yup having a pro-bowl 3-tech who's gonna get like $100 million in a yr or so is the same as having Rosen as your starting qb who looked like dogs**t. Pretty sure we have our 3-tech locked down.

Having a FQB changes your team and they new coaching staff might not see Rosen as that. I've also said Murray will go one, doesn't necessarily have to be to AZ. Wild I know.

Also if you view Q as this game changing DT why the f**k don't you have him going #1?

Originally posted by random49er:

Don't we have a new front office and new coach on defense with schemes different than when we drafted DTs 4 and 5 years ago? Things are more similar than people would like to let on.

If we don't have any excuse whatsoever to pick a DT, it's certainly the same for them and QB. Faulty logic all throughout.

Yes, but Buckner is thriving in this scheme. If KK is saying behind closed doors Rosen can't work in my scheme you kind of got 2 different situations.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Someone comes in, makes a lot of noise dumping on people, then everyone simply disregards their posts, they shout into the void for a few more weeks, then they get bored and stop posting.

Been here since 2012. It's just about draft time. I'd much rather talk about the reality of what's going to happen with the team and the draft than this or that person's condescending tone.

Speaking of ignoring,...Someone stated in another thread that Bradley Chubb got way more snaps w/10 sacks than Bosa got with 8. I found the numbers and it was actually untrue with Bosa getting more snaps. Isin't that what a board needs close to the draft,...actual fact-checking??

They then proceed to ignore me, as you said.

You might see the facts provided as condescending,...I see it as a win-win situation because we're at least closer to reality. I have no qualms whatsoever about people that don't like to be disagreed with ignoring facts, what's really going on, et. al.

Originally posted by jeffreyjetson:
If Bosa is truly so good and a generational player the Cards wouldn't pass on him. Instead they're going to draft a QB when they just drafted one last year in the first round lol.

I just don't see the need to stay put for Bosa or even hype him up as the best player in the draft. Allen will be just as good in the pros if not better.

It's a win win it seems drafting either Bosa or Allen at #2 but the separation between the two isn't as huge as most people in this thread think

Nobody is saying Bosa is a generational player. I don't think anyone here is acting like he's going to be a constant DPOY candidate and put up 20+ sacks per season.

He is the best DE in this class when it comes to NFL pass rushing ability and safest pick among the bunch because his current level is closest to NFL.

I don't think anyone here said he's better than Myles Garrett as far as a prospect but Myles Garrett isn't in this draft class. Bosa is.

QB is still more important than a DE. If Arizona thinks Murray is a franchise QB who makes them more dangerous than Rosen then that's why they're passing on Bosa. Another reason is they're a 3-4 team and he's a 4-3 DE. Taking him and playing him in a scheme not well suited for him isn't smart.

End of the day we don't know what's going to happen at 1, Bosa very well could be the guy but I think Arizona is praying someone trades with them wanting Murray.

Watched some film this weekend, Bosa, Allen, and Williams. One thing that jumps out about Bosa, his high lights are all against lesser talent. Larger, NFL prospects tackles are him up. Not so sold on Bosa. I think Williams it Allen is a better choice.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
End of the day Bosa is easily the best player at a position of need. It's ok to project some guys to be better 3-4 years from now but when you're drafting at #2 overall you better take the closest guy to a sure thing as you can get and that's Bosa.

Sure if Nick had the size of Montez Sweat and the crazy athletic numbers to go with it that would be superb...but if he did the Cards wouldn't him up(assuming they pass up Nick)

If we stay put(and I think we should unless the trade down offer is an offer too good to refuse) Bosa should be the pick.

IMO it's one of the easiest picks Lynch would ever have to make.

And that is the part that scares me just a little.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bosa-Buck-Thomas-ford who the s**t doesn't want that

Nah give me a player like Marsh over Bosa any day. I'm not ever sure Bosa took karate.