Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
How is he overrated? Forget his name, what makes him overrated from your view?

Well he is suppose to be this amazing pro coached from birth player, with elite off the ball jumps. Who was lucky enough to be in a rotation so he was always fresh on obvious passing downs, and he had exactly one 2 sack game...and that came from the statically worst online in all of NCAA football.

To many Bosa fans are putting him to far ahead of the edge pack. There is a real legit chance Bosa was not even the best DE on that team. The guy is good, and I really want the 49ers to get him because it frees up ST to play DT.

Bosa is the best fit for the 49ers in this draft, he is not heads and tails better then some of the other pass rushers, and when all the dust settles i suspect he will be the best rounded, but not the best edge rusher. I really think people are going to be disappointed in what they get because some of the hype surrounding him.

Most pro-ready prospect coming outta the draft. Sure he doesn't have a blazing 40 yard time but he has all the tools to succeed as a pass rusher in the NFL. There's a reason why people, fans, media and ex-NFL coaches are anointing the #1 overall pick in most Mock Drafts. They don't talk about how much or how little sacks Nick Bosa has, they talk about how he is as a pass rusher.

I mean his technique, pros and cons have been discussed in this 408 page thread. It's like the same record playing over and over again.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jeffreyjetson:

Baby Bosa's career:

2019 Bosa will sit out 6 games due to a contract issue, get a good 8 sacks in 10 games...everyone will love him.
2020 This year he'll get injured for a season but the potential he showed shall keep everyone hyped
2021 Bosa is still recovering from an injury and that will hold him to only 10.5 sacks but that potential is still there.
2022 Bosa's "contract year" he shows out and gets 17.5 sacks and shows why he was the #2 overall pick. Niners want to sign him to a long term contract but his family tells him he's worth more if he hits the market.
2023 (5th year option) Bosa plays it safe this year and doesn't try to hurt his stock in free agency but still gets 11 sacks so he can "secure the bag".
2024 Bosa is either let go or gets tagged...either way he won't play with the 49ers lol.

That's his career in a nutshell...

Just watch.

So what happens if you're wrong?

Internet is where people come to make predictions based on nothing but speculation and wild theories....watch

Baby Bosa's career through my magic 8 ball:

2019 Bosa signs his contract on time because we're not the Chargers and gets 15 sacks and DROY
2020 Bosa flirts with the sack record but comes up short as we rest our starters late in week 17 after winning the division and home field throughout the playoffs
2021 Bosa breaks the sack record
2022 Bosa is extended for a 5 year deal after helping us win our 3rd Superbowl in 3 years
2023 Bosa has an off year as he only gets 17 sacks
2024 Bosa is still here and still setting sack records as we're on year 6 of having a top 5 defense in the NFL

Just watch.

You think a guy who never topped 8.5 sacks at Ohio State is going to show up in the NFL and get 15 as a rookie?

Highest win rate in college football. He just needs to play more snaps, imo.

Sounds like the law of diminishing returns trap. Staying fresh most of the game to rush the passer is a huge advantage. What's going to happen when he's asked to take as many snaps as Buckner or AA? Defending the run, hitting NFL running backs, tackles and guards 50 percent of the time will ware you out.

What happened when Aldon Smith got more snaps in his second season? Did playing more snaps and being less fresh make him worn out? You are pretending to know something you don't and can't know. If the defense gets off the field on 3rd downs, EVERYONE is rested. If he plays 70% of the snaps, he stays fresh and still significantly exceeds his snaps at OSU.

Aldon is Aldon and Nick is Nick. You can't criticize my argument for "not knowing" when you're in the same boat. You are assuming his sacs will increase just because he gets more playing time, but that is an unknowable. Also, quality of sacks matter. The video breaking down Bosa shows him getting manhandled by bigger tackles with good technique.

I'm sure he'll be solid, but guys on this board act like he's the next JJ Watt or Reggie White.

Ha ha ha! The video shows a couple of failed rushes, the one snap he's "man handled" he goes to bend and gets caught. No Biggie.

Watch Khalil Mack and even he gets stoned 30-40% of the time (one by our own Kyle Juszcyck) bad reps are just as bad as highlights, you need to watch a body of work.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Aldon is Aldon and Nick is Nick. You can't criticize my argument for "not knowing" when you're in the same boat. You are assuming his sacs will increase just because he gets more playing time, but that is an unknowable. Also, quality of sacks matter. The video breaking down Bosa shows him getting manhandled by bigger tackles with good technique.

I'm sure he'll be solid, but guys on this board act like he's the next JJ Watt or Reggie White.

It is impossible to know how productive Bosa will be, but I would say it would be a pretty safe bet that a lack of motor and/or endurance won't be the reasons Bosa isn't a successful pro.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ford has the 2nd most qb pressures this yr only behind Donald. Dude was elite this yr.

You're trying so hard and it's straight up silly. Calling DLaw, Kerrigan, Mack, Graham, and Smith speed rushers. Stop.

Can you read and comprehend ? Reading is fundamental my guy, I said and QUOTE "GUYS WHO'S ARMS ARE UNDER 33"

Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right? How can you said a kid is the best prospect since Donald when Donald himself wasn't a elite college prospect?

Aaron Donald #13 pick was elite from college what are you talking about ? Your draft position doesn't determine who was elite or not. Aaron Rogers was elite in college, where was he drafted ? It depends on many other factors, which teams passed, does he fit in your scheme, was he a need, did he test well, interviews etc. Furthermore that draft was stacked 13 of the first 17 picks are pro-bowlers and 17 in the 1st alone(more than half). Donald was the first DT taken. Khalil Mack #5 pick was a LB in college and Clowney was the number 1 pick. Dee ford was #23 Demarcus Lawrence #34 (rd 2).

Originally posted by footballxpaul:
While Aaron Donald turned into a great player, how can you call someone the best prospect since a prospect that was picked #13, obviously their was 12 better prospects in his draft year alone. Just a observation, q will looks awesome and I wouldnt be upset if they got him or bosa.

Are you joking ? Donald was the first DT taken and 2nd DL after Clowney, He was elite his rookie year he had 9 sacks and went to the pro bowl. The hell you mean he "turned" into a great player ? He was great in college, been in the league 5 years and been a pro-bowler 5 years and 4 time all pro. Are you a football fan ? Can't be smh. The 2014 Draft was probably the best ever, 17 pro-bowlers in the 1st rd alone. Dudes like Demarcus Lawrence wasn't even drafted in the 1st rd. Damn it Odell went 12th. 6 players UNDRAFTED went to the pro bowl for goodness sake.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
You think a guy who never topped 8.5 sacks at Ohio State is going to show up in the NFL and get 15 as a rookie?

Exactly, Nick will be a disappointment.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
You think a guy who never topped 8.5 sacks at Ohio State is going to show up in the NFL and get 15 as a rookie?

Exactly, Nick will be a disappointment.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

ford has the 2nd most qb pressures this yr only behind Donald. Dude was elite this yr.

You're trying so hard and it's straight up silly. Calling DLaw, Kerrigan, Mack, Graham, and Smith speed rushers. Stop.

Can you read and comprehend ? Reading is fundamental my guy, I said and QUOTE "GUYS WHO'S ARMS ARE UNDER 33"

Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"

You consider Graham and Smith speed rushers?

And

If Bosa's arms were 1/2 inch longer he would be fine, but since they aren't, he has no shot of being a productive NFL Edge Rusher?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

ford has the 2nd most qb pressures this yr only behind Donald. Dude was elite this yr.

You're trying so hard and it's straight up silly. Calling DLaw, Kerrigan, Mack, Graham, and Smith speed rushers. Stop.

Can you read and comprehend ? Reading is fundamental my guy, I said and QUOTE "GUYS WHO'S ARMS ARE UNDER 33"

Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"

You consider Graham and Smith speed rushers?

And

If Bosa's arms were 1/2 inch longer he would be fine, but since they aren't, he has no shot of being a productive NFL Edge Rusher?

Every day I read through this thread I become a little dumber lol

In my honest opinion I think the two criticisms of bosa are this:

Injury history
High floor, not as high ceiling as other guys

I think day 1 we'd be getting a great player that doesn't need much development.

If we get bosa great, if we get Allen it's also great because he may be better in the end, either way we win.

Just curious why people think Bosa has a lower ceiling. Is it because he's white? Did Justin Smith have a low ceiling? JJ Watt? Joey Bosa?

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ford has the 2nd most qb pressures this yr only behind Donald. Dude was elite this yr.

You're trying so hard and it's straight up silly. Calling DLaw, Kerrigan, Mack, Graham, and Smith speed rushers. Stop.

Can you read and comprehend ? Reading is fundamental my guy, I said and QUOTE "GUYS WHO'S ARMS ARE UNDER 33"

Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"

ahhh no need for the nasty b******t comment my dude. THIS is what you said AND I QUOTE (and what I commented on)...

I'm glad you posted this none of the guys on this list, who's arms are 33 or under are "true" DEs. They also average about 6 sacks per season, and all are speed rushers and faster than Nick Bosa. These guys under 33" arms are really LBs that rush the passer and not "true" DEs. They make up for it with speed, something Bosa doesn't have. Dee Ford is solid but I don't consider him elite, he can become tho with consistency.

If you're trying to tell me .25 inches to .75 inches are the reason why Mack and Law can be called "TRUE" DE then I call b******t. In case you didn't know Ingram is a DE in LA and plays the LEO position. Brdandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher. Jared Allen had 32" arms and is a prototypical 4-3 DE. Cameron Wake has 32 inch arms and played in a 4-3 for yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ford has the 2nd most qb pressures this yr only behind Donald. Dude was elite this yr.

You're trying so hard and it's straight up silly. Calling DLaw, Kerrigan, Mack, Graham, and Smith speed rushers. Stop.

Can you read and comprehend ? Reading is fundamental my guy, I said and QUOTE "GUYS WHO'S ARMS ARE UNDER 33"

Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"

ahhh no need for the nasty b******t comment my dude. THIS is what you said AND I QUOTE (and what I commented on)...

I'm glad you posted this none of the guys on this list, who's arms are 33 or under are "true" DEs. They also average about 6 sacks per season, and all are speed rushers and faster than Nick Bosa. These guys under 33" arms are really LBs that rush the passer and not "true" DEs. They make up for it with speed, something Bosa doesn't have. Dee Ford is solid but I don't consider him elite, he can become tho with consistency.

If you're trying to tell me .25 inches to .75 inches are the reason why Mack and Law can be called "TRUE" DE then I call b******t. In case you didn't know Ingram is a DE in LA and plays the LEO position. Brdandon Graham is NOT just a speed rusher. Jared Allen had 32" arms and is a prototypical 4-3 DE. Cameron Wake has 32 inch arms and played in a 4-3 for yrs.