Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I go back to the old Bill Walsh philosophy. Scheme your offense, win with studs on your defense.

trade up for Rice

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by BayToBrazil:

Originally posted by walker807:

It's highly unlikely, but the only scenario I see is if the raiders love bosa so much they offer 4, 24 and 27 to move up to 2. They pick Bosa, we get either Allen or Williams. You could possibly use the other picks to move back up for Sweat/Burns or sit pat and take BPA.

That's a solid trade but I'd tell them to add Khalil Mack to the deal.
What's that? He's already in Chicago?
Too bad Raiders

It seems insane but that scenario could get you Allen for the Sam and Burns for the Leo position instead of just Bosa for leo.

Could be a great trade. I'm just pissed at the Raiders for not trading Mack to SF.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Josh Allen was supposed to flat out be more athlete/explosive than Nick Bosa but in 3 big test that measure those things for edge rushers (10 yard split, 3 cone and shuttle) Bosa was better in all 3.. but that's none of my business 🐸 ☕️ https://t.co/qqvGBNH1tG

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) March 4, 2019

Oh my

Originally posted by babarvaart:

trade up for Rice

They had won 2 SBs by that point. Once you've built up your roster, have a solid core and no major needs, you can go and trade up for a receiver, a tight end or a long snapper if that is what you feel like doing.

Originally posted by genus49:
Different era nice try. And as GOAT as Jerry is, we won those SBs for other reasons. Oh and he has 3 wins...

They also won most of their SBs before the salary cap became an issue. Jerry won 2 of his rings before they even introduced it.

What do you mean we won jerrys superbowls for other reasons?

chargers, broncos bengals were off the charts performances of all time for a receiver.

Come on man. Apologize immediately to jerry for that remark. Come on.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by genus49:
Like I said, I'd love to have OBJ's talent on this team. His contract and his mentally weak diva attitude I can do without.

When was the last time a team with a dominant and super highly paid WR helped the team win the SB? I just think having a guy even as talented as OBJ make that much money is a way to handicap a team.

Antonio - 0 SB wins
Julio - 0 SB wins
Hopkins - 0 SB wins
Green - 0 SB wins
OBJ - 0 SB wins

I trust Kyle to find and develop WRs. I'd rather get the sure fire stud in Bosa and address WR in the 2nd/3rd rounds and develop those guys.

This argument gets so old. Here are five of the seven all time sack leaders:

Bruce Smith - 0 SB wins
Kevin Greene - 0 SB wins
Julius Peppers - 0 SB wins
Chris Doleman - 0 SB wins
Jason Taylor - 0 SB wins

See above post. Bruce Smith, Greene and Doleman played the bulk of their career before the salary cap.

And here's the thing. A WR is dependent on a lot of other things in the game - the QB, the OL pass blocking for the QB.

A pass rusher can single handedly impact the play. We've got a QB making big bucks, some young talent coming up for contracts. Taking on the highest salary at WR for a guy who is so mentally weak is a big risk. Dude has like a $21 million cap hit next season.

I understand the talent is crazy and I'd love to see him in this offense but that's just craziness.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by genus49:
Different era nice try. And as GOAT as Jerry is, we won those SBs for other reasons. Oh and he has 3 wins...

They also won most of their SBs before the salary cap became an issue. Jerry won 2 of his rings before they even introduced it.

What do you mean we won jerrys superbowls for other reasons?

chargers, broncos bengals were off the charts performances of all time for a receiver.

Come on man. Apologize immediately to jerry for that remark. Come on.

You know what I mean. We had a HOF QB in each SB win, dominant defenses to back him up. Nobody is taking anything away from Jerry but just shooting down the silly and just wrong analogy.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Josh Allen was supposed to flat out be more athlete/explosive than Nick Bosa but in 3 big test that measure those things for edge rushers (10 yard split, 3 cone and shuttle) Bosa was better in all 3.. but that's none of my business 🐸 ☕️ https://t.co/qqvGBNH1tG

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) March 4, 2019

Oh my

B-but Allen has a higher ceiling lolololol

I think our coaching staff can scheme a pass offense better than a pass rush.
I do understand the temptation of a OBJ and 6 for 2 trade.
A lot of factors we don't know though:
will Boss be there?
would the NYGs want more?

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

B-but Allen has a higher ceiling lolololol

Players that can stay off IR usually do!

Originally posted by random49er:

Players that can stay off IR usually do!

One of the big selling points on Allen was that he was substantially more athletic than Bosa. That doesn't appear to be the case.


On the other, Bosa is significantly more polished and consistent as an edge rusher.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
B-but Allen has a higher ceiling lolololol

Players that can stay off IR usually do!

Durability will be the reason Bosa falls out of No 1 overall.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by genus49:
Different era nice try. And as GOAT as Jerry is, we won those SBs for other reasons. Oh and he has 3 wins...

They also won most of their SBs before the salary cap became an issue. Jerry won 2 of his rings before they even introduced it.

What do you mean we won jerrys superbowls for other reasons?

chargers, broncos bengals were off the charts performances of all time for a receiver.

Come on man. Apologize immediately to jerry for that remark. Come on.

You know what I mean. We had a HOF QB in each SB win, dominant defenses to back him up. Nobody is taking anything away from Jerry but just shooting down the silly and just wrong analogy.

One reason we have hof qbs is because they were throwing to Jerry. We never had a dominat d against bengals. I would post the steve at**ter gif but can't find it right now. Come on.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

One reason we have hof qbs is because they were throwing to Jerry. We never had a dominat d against bengals. I would post the steve at**ter gif but can't find it right now. Come on.

They had 2 SB wins before Rice even showed up. He was more of a finishing piece than a building block. Walsh acquired his QB and built his defense. Over 5 years later he drafted Rice.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:
Players that can stay off IR usually do!

One of the big selling points on Allen was that he was substantially more athletic than Bosa. That doesn't appear to be the case.

On the other, Bosa is significantly more polished and consistent as an edge rusher.

Fasle conclusion siumply based on combine numbers. You can esaily see that allen is the more comfortble effective athlete in space. Thats one reason why bosa compared against the lineman, allen against the LB's. I love nick bosa but allen has a lot of positive qualities as well. The two athletes are different and cant really be compared, straight up although they both rush the passer.