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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 11, 2017 at 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by okdkid:
You can't be serious. This is a total layup.

"Hey it's ____. We're still working through our draft board and wanted to reach out to a few of the teams around our pick. We'll have a better idea of where we stand in a couple weeks, but wanted to get the conversation going if you had interest in moving up."

This stuff isn't complicated. Everybody is doing their due diligence -- with prospects they may take, and trades they may make.

Apr 11, 2017 at 10:35 AM

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okdkid
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Originally posted by Jcool:
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lol MVP doe?

Apr 11, 2017 at 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Why do fans continue to think teams put out smokescreens? What possible purpose would it serve when the entire league is skeptical of any news they hear regarding favorites. Nobody is getting fooled. A team could not say a single thing to anybody and fans, media and/or opposing teams would just make stuff up to fill in the blanks.

I've been watching the draft almost 20 years and discussing it on he for more than 10+ years and I very well think teams send out smokescreens. I think if a team is really serious about moving down they send out a few signals that they like so and so in hopes of getting a team to bite.

Teams don't need to "send out signals" to see if a deal can get done. They just call each other. It's not a middle school dance. There are only 32 GMs -- they all know each other. They will haggle over the price, and perhaps wait it out until draft day to see how things unfold. But these guys trade with each other all the time. No smoke screens needed.

BTW -- if a GM -- getting paid millions of dollars -- has a fire lit under him due to a "smokescreen" then that dude should cease being a GM. Falling for fake news is a sin.

Hmmm that simple huh, they just call each other!!! And what do you think is in that conversation since you seem to know how teams operate? I mean if all that you say is true, why doesn't a team just come out and say, 'well right now we're thinking about drafting Jonathan Allen, but that could change if Myles Garrett falls to us'.?

You can't be serious. This is a total layup.

"Hey it's ____. We're still working through our draft board and wanted to reach out to a few of the teams around our pick. We'll have a better idea of where we stand in a couple weeks, but wanted to get the conversation going if you had interest in moving up."

This stuff isn't complicated. Everybody is doing their due diligence -- with prospects they may take, and trades they may make.

I can't be serious WTF!!!

Check you out acting like you know what's being said between NFL teams. I mean if there weren't smokescreens, then tell me what the 49ers are gonna do in this upcoming draft? Shoot, tell me what are the Browns gonna do (with credible sources of course)?

Again, you still didn't answer my question on why teams don't just come out and announce who they are looking to DRAFT or boldly talk about their draft board?

Apr 11, 2017 at 2:01 PM

#34

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
I can't be serious WTF!!!

Check you out acting like you know what's being said between NFL teams. I mean if there weren't smokescreens, then tell me what the 49ers are gonna do in this upcoming draft? Shoot, tell me what are the Browns gonna do (with credible sources of course)?

Again, you still didn't answer my question on why teams don't just come out and announce who they are looking to DRAFT or boldly talk about their draft board?

I'm just surprised this is your question.

Telling people you think smokescreens exist requires the same amount of "insider knowledge" as saying they don't.

Apr 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM

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Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I can't be serious WTF!!!

Check you out acting like you know what's being said between NFL teams. I mean if there weren't smokescreens, then tell me what the 49ers are gonna do in this upcoming draft? Shoot, tell me what are the Browns gonna do (with credible sources of course)?

Again, you still didn't answer my question on why teams don't just come out and announce who they are looking to DRAFT or boldly talk about their draft board?

I'm just surprised this is your question.

Telling people you think smokescreens exist requires the same amount of "insider knowledge" as saying they don't.

Right on for avoiding it, I guess that's one way of saying you don't know.

Apr 11, 2017 at 5:47 PM

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Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I can't be serious WTF!!!

Check you out acting like you know what's being said between NFL teams. I mean if there weren't smokescreens, then tell me what the 49ers are gonna do in this upcoming draft? Shoot, tell me what are the Browns gonna do (with credible sources of course)?

Again, you still didn't answer my question on why teams don't just come out and announce who they are looking to DRAFT or boldly talk about their draft board?

I'm just surprised this is your question.

Telling people you think smokescreens exist requires the same amount of "insider knowledge" as saying they don't.

Chargers were rumored to be taking Ronnie Stanley last year...it was a smokescreen hoping to entice a team to trade up and get in front of Dallas/Jacksonville if they coveted Elliot or Ramsey.

The guy SD truly coveted was Bosa, but they did not want to let that cat out of the bag just in case he would slide to them if they could trade down.

Smokescreens are real in the draft process, teams are trying to misdirect the rest of the league because leaks do happen. Leaks don't always come from teams either, agents play a role in that too by feeding the media.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:27 PM

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The draft is just one giant prolonged poker game. Wouldn't trust anything being said.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:35 PM

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Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:37 PM

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Originally posted by VDSF:

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

Looking at the way the approached the draft last year I bet they are interested in trading out of the #1.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by VDSF:

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

People were actually falling for the Thomas / Allen / Hooker hype, when there are clearly only 2 players who will go in the top 2: Garrett & Trubisky (and not necessarily in that order).

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:42 PM

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Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by VDSF:

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

People were actually falling for the Thomas / Allen / Hooker hype, when there are clearly only 2 players who will go in the top 2: Garrett & Trubisky (and not necessarily in that order).

At this point it's almost safe to say that 7 out of every 10 professional mock draft has us taking Thomas.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:45 PM

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Originally posted by VDSF:
Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

Lol it's going to be Garrett. Don't let Cleveland evaluating all their options as due diligence and feeling that Trubisky is the only one that comes close fool you.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:57 PM

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Smokescreens are smoky

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:58 PM

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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
People were actually falling for the Thomas / Allen / Hooker hype, when there are clearly only 2 players who will go in the top 2: Garrett & Trubisky (and not necessarily in that order).

We'll find out soon enough.

Apr 11, 2017 at 6:59 PM

#45

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Originally posted by Eli_23:
Smokescreens are smoky

Everyone not named Myles & Mitch were smoke screens.