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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM

#3571

Fanaticofnfl
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

I liked the thought of Mahomes... in a later round.

Top 10? No thanks.

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Apr 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM

#3572

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FL9er:
3 teams outside the top 10 according to MM.

Hmm. Browns, Saints and Colts?

Would not mind getting down to that range and grabbing Charles Harris, Haason Redick, or Corey Davis tbh

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM

#3573

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM

#3574

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

browns taking Trubiskatron and Mahomie

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM

#3575

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

Not surprised, he's the most exciting QB prospect in the draft.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM

#3576

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FL9er:
3 teams outside the top 10 according to MM.

Hmm. Browns, Saints and Colts?

Browns definitely..Saints and Ravens?

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:28 PM

#3577

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Not so sure about that.. It could just be chatter but that's a lot of teams. If Cleve is really willing to part with their high picks that would be our winner.

And all those teams are looking to move up for a variety of prospects, not one particular prospect, that is why there won't be a ton of value attached to the pick. You have teams that could be looking to move up for Thomas, Fournette, Adams, Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, McCaffrey....etc but if they can't get a fair deal from the 49ers they will just go to the next team on the list...rinse and repeat.

Sure, but all it takes is 2 teams bidding for a QB and the value goes up even though they don't know for sure who they are bidding against. Both Chi and JAX have been rumored to target QBs so it's not a stretch to think that teams are vying to move up.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:28 PM

#3578

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Would not mind getting down to that range and grabbing Charles Harris, Haason Redick, or Corey Davis tbh

Harris, Lamp or Howard for me. Reddick will be gone fairly early I think.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:28 PM

#3579

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Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

Not surprised, he's the most exciting QB prospect in the draft.

Why are you sorry? #2 is in the top 10

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM

#3580

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The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot reports the Browns have been "working the phones" trying to trade up from No. 12 overall to draft Mitchell

Cabot, via multiple league sources, reports the Browns will take Myles Garrett with the No. 1 overall pick and then focus their attention on coming up from No. 12 to land Trubisky. It'll be easier said than done, but Cleveland has plenty of draft ammo to pull it off if they want. Cabot reports talks will get going if Trubisky falls into the pick Nos. 5-6 range of the first round. The 49ers, Bears, and even the Jaguars are options to take Trubisky at Nos. 2-4 when Cleveland passes at No. 1.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM

#3581

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Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

Not surprised, he's the most exciting QB prospect in the draft.

Yup. There's always Allen next year...

Similar talent and guts, couple inches taller. Not sure if he's the same competitor/leader. Mahomes is a hell of a leader. Top end, for real.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM

#3582

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Originally posted by tankle104:
We aren't trading down if it's a player our team wants. They won't risk moving down and getting picks just to lose out on who they want

How the hell are they going to know who it's for?

Ring ring

Lynch - " hello"

Panthers - "hey John we are interested in trading up to your spot at 2"

Lynch - "ok, I'm listening"

Panthers - "we'd give you pick 8, our 2nd this year and our 1st next year"

Lynch - "

wow, that sounds like a winner!"

Panthers - "ok, we'll call it in"

Lynch - "hey wait!, who you taking?"

Panthers - "

"

Lynch - "please tell me"

Panthers - "not telling!"

........dial tone

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM

#3583

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Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Sure, but all it takes is 2 teams bidding for a QB and the value goes up even though they don't know for sure who they are bidding against. Both Chi and JAX have been rumored to target QBs so it's not a stretch to think that teams are vying to move up.

Yes but the assumption is that these teams would each like the same QB. That is uncertain. Any one of Watson, Trubisky or Mahomes could go first and nobody would bat an eye. This isn't like last year at #2 where it was obvious that Wentz would be the guy once it was clear that Goff was going #1.

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM

#3584

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Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Report: Pat Mahomes expected to go in top 10 https://t.co/1YhvaDKAVk
— Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) April 27, 2017

Sorry mahomes lovers....

Not surprised, he's the most exciting QB prospect in the draft.

Why are you sorry? #2 is in the top 10

Mahomes to Jets or Bills

Apr 27, 2017 at 2:31 PM

#3585

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Would not mind getting down to that range and grabbing Charles Harris, Haason Redick, or Corey Davis tbh

Harris, Lamp or Howard for me. Reddick will be gone fairly early I think.

I honestly don't care who they pick in the first round. It's hard to screw this up with this much talent (except for a just couple of guys - no to McDowell, no to Watson). I'm far more excited to see what they do with the extra 2nds and/or 3rds