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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:14 PM

#2401

Wu-5Rings
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Originally posted by saniner:
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/mitchell-trubisky-myles-garrett-top-pick

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Schefter-expects-Trubisky-to-be-top-pick-52494275

Word has gotten out...

Let the parade begin

Oh I hope so!

I've been saying it..

If thats their guy, they will not play around and gamble with him. They will take him #1 if they think he's the one and I believe they are sold on him being their guy.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:14 PM

#2402

Fanaticofnfl
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Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'm gonna give my best guess as to what will happen. The 49ers will draft someone from college.

What if we trade for that Cousins kid, doe?

I had a strange vision last night about this.

Lynch keeps talking about how the leaks are patched, how everything coming out (which is all over the place) should be taken with a grain of salt. Outside of it all, things seem a bit quiet.

I don't know why, but there's a funny gut feeling in me that says a crazy trade like that happens.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:20 PM

#2403

Wu-5Rings
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"Could the Browns actually take Mitchell Trubisky with the first pick?"

"It's a possibility that seems absolutely absurd, but accoridng to Adam Schefter, the Browns may actually be considering selecting UNC quarterback Mitchell Trubisky with the first overall pick."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebeatdown.com/platform/amp/2017/4/26/15437200/could-the-browns-actually-take-mitchell-trubisky-with-the-first-pick

They cannot afford to lose him...

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:21 PM

#2404

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"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:21 PM

#2405

gored49
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Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Remember the 2000 draft when CLE took can't-miss pass rush prospect Courtney Brown? I'm not saying that Garrett will bust, just making an observation. Brown's career was largely curtailed by injury.

Courtney Brown: 6'4⅞" 271-pounds, ran a 4.52 forty, had a vertical leap of 37" and bench-pressed 225 pounds 26 times.
Myles Garrett: 6'4" 272-pounds, ran a 4.64 forty, had a vertical leap of 41" and bench-pressed 225 pounds 33 times.

A couple of other interesting parallels to the 2000 draft.

Jamal Lewis: 6'0" 240-pounds, ran a 4.58 forty
Leonard Fournette: 6'0" 240-pounds, ran a 4.51 forty

There was no surefire top QB either (although Tom Brady went in the 6th - he's been servicable) - Chad Pennington was the first one taken at pick 18.

Okay, I clearly have a bad case of pre-draftarrhea

Do you have a comparison of Brown's production versus Garrett's in college (I really don't know)? **Browns front office stop reading now!**** I find it hard for someone that had better production than Von Miller will be known as an epic bust like Brown 20 years from now.

I struggled to find Courtney Brown's total college stats.

Defensive end, 1999, Alvin, S.C., selected by the Associated Press, Football Coaches, Football Writers, Walter Camp, The Sporting News and The Football News. He also was a finalist for the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, Rotary Lombardi Award and Chuck Bednarik Award. Brown shattered school records for career tackles for loss (70) and sacks (33) and the season mark for TFL (29). A three-year starter, he was tied for third in Big Ten career TFL and was named 1999 Big Ten Defensive Player-of-the-Year. The fourth Nittany Lion selected All-Big Ten three times, he finished his brilliant career by earning the Hall Foundation Award as the team's Senior MVP. He made 55 tackles (33 solo), with 29 TFL (minus-150), 13.5 sacks (minus-107), an interception (TD) and three forced fumbles. The Cleveland Browns selected Brown as the first overall pick of the 2000 National Football League Draft. He has played with the Browns (2000-04) and Denver Broncos (2005-06). He signed with San Diego prior to the 2007 season. Brown lives in St. Stephen, S.C.

Courtney Brown:
70 tackles for a loss, 33 sacks

Myles Garrett:
141 tackles, 47 tackles for a loss, 31 sacks, 1 interceptions, 7 forced fumbles

Thanks! I will refer to this in my mind if we don't end up Garrett. History will repeat.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:22 PM

#2406

rathman4481
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Does anyone have a photoshop of Myles in a niner uniform?

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:24 PM

#2407

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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

I would hate that trade. 2nd overall pick and a third rounder for Cousins? A QB we'll then have to invest 25 million a year? No thanks. I'd consider swapping firsts for him and that would be as high as I'd go.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:24 PM

#2408

Kolohe
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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

#2 overall pick for Kirk Cousins is not happening, now Kirk Cousins + the #17 pick and a 3rd might work.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:25 PM

#2409

tankle104
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I would love to have a million dollar check written to me and trade it in for 5 thousand dollar checks....

Well we will let the front office decide. Garrett isn't a sure thing. Every year there are "sure" things and they flop lol

I expect him to be good, but it isn't a sure thing.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:26 PM

#2410

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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

Not happening. No way we don't get their first in return for ours.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM

#2411

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Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

Not happening. No way we don't get their first in return for ours.

Sounds like Fred Smoot should be put back in the drug program...

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:30 PM

#2412

Wu-5Rings
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This draft is too loaded to give all that up for Cousins who will be a free agent next year.

Shanalynch just signed a 6 year contract. Let's all take a deep breathe and realize we will build through the draft + Baalke is not drafting..

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:31 PM

#2413

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Chase Goodbread‏Verified account @ChaseGoodbread 2m2 minutes ago
More Mayock: #Titans could move back at 5 and 18, in a great spot for both. 5 because of QB situation, 18 if someone wants to come up for an OL.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:34 PM

#2414

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Originally posted by ltrain:
Not happening. No way we don't get their first in return for ours.

One would have to have their eyes closed to dream up a trade like that. We aren't giving up anything to get Cousins a year early.

Apr 26, 2017 at 1:37 PM

#2415

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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
"Close your eyes and imagine we traded Kirk Cousins on draft day to the 49ers for their No. 2 pick and, let's just say, a third-round pick," Smoot said. "Now that's giving the Redskins two first-round picks and a top three pick. Let's say we trade down from that second pick to No. 10, and now we have three first-round picks, and we get [Clemson quarterback] DeShaun Watson, [Alabama defensive lineman] Jonathan Allen and [Stanford running back] Christian McCaffrey. Have we not won the draft?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/04/26/fred-smoot-makes-the-case-for-trading-kirk-cousins-now-is-the-time-to-rebuild/?utm_term=.3196fe32b20e

Now open your eyes Washington and come back to reality lol...that would never happen and people in the real world know it!