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MadDog49er · 2017-03-30T13:18:32-07:00

With a month to go before the draft, and only a couple handful of Pro Days left on the schedule, it is time for me to show my cards in this draft. Although I will continue to adjust my best board, this is what I have for late March 2017. This is not a mock draft, but how I feel the player projects to the NFL. There will surely be some surprises (Fournette, Brown, Mahomes, Hunt), and some that are universally accepted (Garrett, Thomas, etc.). Some explanations: Dalvin Cook is not on my board. Although never convicted of crimes, he has had a long list of problems staying out of trouble in the past few years. While explosive on tape, his combine numbers were shockingly bad. You mix in a high rate of fumbles, and put everything into a blender, and I see too many issues to post a high grade on him. Reuben Foster is probably the most talented ILB in this draft. But, he is way down my board. The blowup at the hospital in Alabama may seem like no big deal, but middle linebackers are usually the leader of defenses. I want guys who show more maturity than what he displayed. Add some issues reading the board with coaches and scouts, once again, too many red flags for me. To me, Mahomes is clearly the best QB in this draft. He needs a ton of work. His footwork may be the worst of all the QBs in this draft. He plays in a silly, video game system, he has a funny voice. I don't care. This dude loves football, and he wants to be great. His arm may be the strongest in the last 5-10 years, and he does some magical things when under pressure (like Roethlisberger). He is going to throw some picks, for sure. But, I like the make-up. This kid is going to be really good in this league. Just needs time. I am a big believer in MAC players. Though ignored by many in the media, they simply put out stud players year after year. This year, I have Davis, Lamp, Hunt, Moton, and Blair Brown in my top 50. In fact, I know I have nearly a dozen players on this list who played ball in either the state of Ohio or Michigan. Final note: I know I am in the minority on my belief that Leonard Fournette is not a top back in this draft. I don't see an effective three down back, and don't see a player who can make the necessary cuts (lateral movement) to be a star NFL back. I want to see him stick his foot into the ground, make a hard cut, and continue down the field. I don't see it. But, as always, and in every draft, I will be wrong a LOT. That is the fun of following the draft. It is magic, witchcraft, to figure out who emerges as a star. You just hope to hit more often than others. So, my board here is surely not of arrogance. The draft humiliates all, and often. You have to have thick skin...and watch a lot of football. Cheers, 2017 NFL Draft Best 50 Board Pick Player School Position 1 Myles Garrett Texas A&M DE/OLB 2 Solomon Thomas Stanford DE 3 Malik Hooker Ohio State S 4 Marshawn Lattimore Ohio State CB 5 Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech QB 6 Haason Reddick Temple LB 7 Corey Davis Western Michigan WR 8 Derek Barnett Tennessee DE/OLB 9 Jonathan Allen Alabama DE/DT 10 Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky G 11 OJ Howard Alabama TE 12 Christian McCaffrey Stanford RB 13 Evan Engram Mississippi TE 14 Jarrad Davis Florida LB 15 Gareon Conley Ohio State CB 16 Mike Williams Clemson WR 17 Fabian Moreau UCLA CB 18 Zay Jones East Carolina WR 19 John Ross Washington WR 20 Kevin King Washington CB 21 Charles Harris Missouri DE/OLB 22 Mitchell Trubisky North Carolina QB 23 Marlon Humphrey Alabama CB 24 Carl Lawson Auburn OLB 25 Cooper Kupp Eastern Washington WR 26 Budda Baker Washington S 27 Kareem Hunt Toledo RB 28 Jamal Adams LSU S 29 Ryan Ramczyk Wisconsin OT 30 Quincy Wilson Florida CB 31 Jordan Willis Kansas St DE 32 Takkarist McKinley UCLA LB 33 Curtis Samuel Ohio State RB/WR 34 TJ Watt Wisconsin DE/LB 35 Taco Charlton Michigan DE/OLB 36 Jabrill Peppers Michigan OLB/S 37 Tarell Basham Ohio DE 38 Dion Dawkins Temple G 39 Tyus Bowser Houston DE/OLB 40 Blair Brown Ohio LB 41 Alvin Kamara Tennessee RB 42 Joe Mixon Oklahoma RB 43 Garrett Bolles Utah OT 44 Cam Robinson Alabama OT/G 45 Leonard Fournette LSU RB 46 David Njoku Miami TE 47 Marcus Maye Florida S 48 Taylor Moton Western Michigan OT 49 Reuben Foster Alabama LB 50 TreDavious White LSU CB

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:09 PM

#31

genus49
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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
All but the throw... Kap could escape, then he'd either throw 5 yards over the receiver's head or so hard the guy couldn't catch it.

The throw he made to Boldin in the NFC Championship game in front of Earl Thomas is one of the best you'll see a QB make. Kap had his share of mind blowing plays...unfortunately he had way too many wtf plays as well.

Mahomes has some great tools and makes some awesome plays but he's raw and needs work and the question will be with him just like with Kap...can he put in the effort to improve his game as a pocket passer. Though to his credit he's a better passer at this point in their respective careers and Mahomes doesn't run as early as Kap did so the odds of him being a better pocket passer in the NFL is higher...but to me still a question mark and one I don't want to take a chance on with a top 10 pick.

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:09 PM

#32

JBrack
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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by JBrack:
Kaepernick could make that play!!!

Think about it. ...

In an NFCCG in Seattle no less...

Good man, you remember that play. I didn't remember it being in the nfccg though. Your memory is better than mine.

The plays where almost identical but I think kap had even better velocity and trajectory on the ball. Im splitting hairs but same play. That doesn't make up an NFL QB though. That was my only point no matter how unbelievable the play.

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:10 PM

#33

Lobo49er
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Originally posted by genus49:
There's also the fact that he's comparing these guys to every player in NFL history apparently. No team is going to say "well no Deion Sanders in this draft guess I'm not going to take the best corner on my board"

Lol. Sigh...

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:33 PM

#34

JBrack
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Originally posted by genus49:
The throw he made to Boldin in the NFC Championship game in front of Earl Thomas is one of the best you'll see a QB make. Kap had his share of mind blowing plays...unfortunately he had way too many wtf plays as well.

Mahomes has some great tools and makes some awesome plays but he's raw and needs work and the question will be with him just like with Kap...can he put in the effort to improve his game as a pocket passer. Though to his credit he's a better passer at this point in their respective careers and Mahomes doesn't run as early as Kap did so the odds of him being a better pocket passer in the NFL is higher...but to me still a question mark and one I don't want to take a chance on with a top 10 pick.

Bingo!!!

3rd round, sign me up... (maybe)

If he can settle down and actually utilize a pocket maybe. But if his instincts are to try and run to create his own throwing lane than no. That was Kaps problem, he never learned to slide in the pocket and play in a pro style offense. You cant teach instincts, its just who you are at your core.

Pocket presence, pocket awareness along with pocket utilization is they key to a QB's success at the next level. The pros are doing it wrong when they scout QBs and most of them only look at the attributes like every other player. That is a one way ticket to disaster. Ill say it right now, the top 2 qbs from this draft will be Trubisky and Bethard. If you can't utilize the pocket to protect yourself then you won't last long in this game.

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:39 PM

#35

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by genus49:
The throw he made to Boldin in the NFC Championship game in front of Earl Thomas is one of the best you'll see a QB make. Kap had his share of mind blowing plays...unfortunately he had way too many wtf plays as well.

Mahomes has some great tools and makes some awesome plays but he's raw and needs work and the question will be with him just like with Kap...can he put in the effort to improve his game as a pocket passer. Though to his credit he's a better passer at this point in their respective careers and Mahomes doesn't run as early as Kap did so the odds of him being a better pocket passer in the NFL is higher...but to me still a question mark and one I don't want to take a chance on with a top 10 pick.

Bingo!!!

3rd round, sign me up... (maybe)

If he can settle down and actually utilize a pocket maybe. But if his instincts are to try and run to create his own throwing lane than no. That was Kaps problem, he never learned to slide in the pocket and play in a pro style offense. You cant teach instincts, its just who you are at your core.

Thing is, he throws from the pocket whenever there is one. TT was notoriously awful at protecting him. There are several clips of him throwing on time and accurately, with great anticipation. They just don't make the highlight reels, because they look routine by comparison.

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM

#36

genus49
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Bingo!!!

3rd round, sign me up... (maybe)

If he can settle down and actually utilize a pocket maybe. But if his instincts are to try and run to create his own throwing lane than no. That was Kaps problem, he never learned to slide in the pocket and play in a pro style offense. You cant teach instincts, its just who you are at your core.

To be fair if he's there at #34 there better be someone really damn good on the board to make me want to pass on him there. #2 is too early. Top 10 is too early even if we trade down.

#34 that'd be a great pick and could be our version of Mack/Carr.

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:46 PM

#37

GhostOfBaalke
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Thing is, he throws from the pocket whenever there is one. TT was notoriously awful at protecting him. There are several clips of him throwing on time and accurately, with great anticipation. They just don't make the highlight reels, because they look routine by comparison.

Agreed. It's lazy to compare him to Kap. Mahomes will stand there and take a hit to throw a bomb or even scramble out when the pocket crumbles and then throw a strike. Kap on the other hand, freaks out at any pressure at all and just takes off because he knew he could get yards.

There's a difference with how Russ scrambles and how Kap scrambles.

[ Edited by GhostOfBaalke on Mar 30, 2017 at 4:46 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:47 PM

#38

JBrack
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Thing is, he throws from the pocket whenever there is one. TT was notoriously awful at protecting him. There are several clips of him throwing on time and accurately, with great anticipation. They just don't make the highlight reels, because they look routine by comparison.

How many times have we seen Kap make the oline look bad and run straight into defenders? Pure pocket passers protect the ball and either eat the sack or throw it away if it isnt there. Another thing Kap could never get right. He would rather fumble it away trying to do something. Those are the instincts whether you run or not.

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 30, 2017 at 4:48 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:48 PM

#39

SLCNiner
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
All but the throw... Kap could escape, then he'd either throw 5 yards over the receiver's head or so hard the guy couldn't catch it.

The throw he made to Boldin in the NFC Championship game in front of Earl Thomas is one of the best you'll see a QB make. Kap had his share of mind blowing plays...unfortunately he had way too many wtf plays as well.

Mahomes has some great tools and makes some awesome plays but he's raw and needs work and the question will be with him just like with Kap...can he put in the effort to improve his game as a pocket passer. Though to his credit he's a better passer at this point in their respective careers and Mahomes doesn't run as early as Kap did so the odds of him being a better pocket passer in the NFL is higher...but to me still a question mark and one I don't want to take a chance on with a top 10 pick.

Yeah, how often did he do that? Once. Put up a highlight reel of him escaping and throwing and you'll get one highlight. My only concern with Mahomes, or anybQB for that matter, is his ability to go through progressions and make the right decision.

Mar 30, 2017 at 4:54 PM

#40

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Thing is, he throws from the pocket whenever there is one. TT was notoriously awful at protecting him. There are several clips of him throwing on time and accurately, with great anticipation. They just don't make the highlight reels, because they look routine by comparison.

How many times have we seen Kap make the oline look bad and run straight into defenders? Pure pocket passers protect the ball and either eat the sack or throw it away if it isnt there. Another thing Kap could never get right. He would rather fumble it away trying to do something. Those are the instincts whether you run or not.

I'm not interested in drafting Kaepernick. I'd like for the 49ers to draft Mahomes, Who gets crushed in the pocket delivering 40+ yard bombs. When he escapes, he looks a lot like Roethlisberger. There are successful pocket QBs in the NFL, like Rodgers and Roethlisberger, who still make huge plays outside the pocket. There are less-conventional pocket QBs, like Wilson, who make their money most commonly on broken plays, and the league hasn't really stopped Wilson yet.

Mar 30, 2017 at 5:03 PM

#41

JBrack
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm not interested in drafting Kaepernick. I'd like for the 49ers to draft Mahomes, Who gets crushed in the pocket delivering 40+ yard bombs. When he escapes, he looks a lot like Roethlisberger. There are successful pocket QBs in the NFL, like Rodgers and Roethlisberger, who still make huge plays outside the pocket. There are less-conventional pocket QBs, like Wilson, who make their money most commonly on broken plays, and the league hasn't really stopped Wilson yet.

Hasnt stopped Wilson yet? When did he ever get started? He is the product of good talent around him. Now with the talent evading he throws 21 TDs last year? He is not elite and im not interested in drafting him either. s**t, Kap had 16 TDs with only 9 games started and a broken beat down team.

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 30, 2017 at 5:04 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 5:05 PM

#42

GhostOfBaalke
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Hasnt stopped Wilson yet? When did he ever get started? He is the product of good talent around him. Now with the talent evading he throws 21 TDs last year? He is not elite and im not interested in drafting him either. s**t, Kap had 16 TDs with only 9 games started and a broken beat down team.

Russ had the worst offensive line in football and was limping around for a handful of games.

Mar 30, 2017 at 5:08 PM

#43

JBrack
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Russ had the worst offensive line in football and was limping around for a handful of games.

Kap had the worst coaches and offense in the league. Whats your point?

My point is simple. I don't want another gimmick QB I want a pure pocket passer which Wilson is not, Or Mahomes for that matter. ..

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 30, 2017 at 5:10 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 5:13 PM

#44

GhostOfBaalke
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Kap had the worst coaches and offense in the league. Whats your point?

My point is simple. I don't want another gimmick QB I want a pure pocket passer which Wilson is not, Or Mahomes for that matter. ..

Remember Russ' amazing run at the end of the 2015 season? That came because the o line started playing decent. He had the highest rating of ANY qb when passing inside the pocket in the past three years , because he finally had a pocket.

http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/17169/five-numbers-behind-russell-wilsons-historic-season

[ Edited by GhostOfBaalke on Mar 30, 2017 at 5:13 PM ]

Mar 30, 2017 at 5:16 PM

#45

Quest4six
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Originally posted by 9moon:
1 Myles Garrett Texas A&M DE/OLB
2 Solomon Thomas Stanford DE
3 Malik Hooker Ohio State S
4 Marshawn Lattimore Ohio State CB
5 Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech QB
6 Haason Reddick Temple LB

no way Hooker is as good as the late as Sean Taylor to be on the top 3, or better yer, is Hooker even close to an Earl Thomas??

By putting Lattimore as high as 4, that's basically saying that this kid is as good as PRIME TIME.. Lattimore isn't even better than Shawn Springs was when he was at Ohio State.

Mahomes - I see him getting drafted in the 1st, but we're talking about, towards end of 1st if EVER... he may just be the reason why GRAPPOLO has yet to be dealt... I saw 4 Mahomes games and there were times that he reminded me of JIM MCMAHON.. and there were times that he made some awesome plays that BRETT FAVRE used to make.. but he's no top 10..

REDDICK - may just be the one that can be a surprise by getting drafted between 2 to 6 !!!

Sorry to the MADDOGS followers and believer, I just really don't see how Hooker, Lattimore, Mahomes or even Reddick being better than Jonathan Allen at all..

I don't get where you make these analogies from
Just because Lattimore is going 4th overall doesn't mean MD thinks he's as good as primetime

And why are you bringing up Sean Taylor and Earl Thomas? This is a best board not a projection of how well they will do in the NFL.

Brett Favre and McMahon are horrible comparisons to Mahomes.

You need to think before you post, I've been reading a lot of your posts in the draft thread lately and they literally make 0 sense. Do you watch these guys play? All you do is compare prospects to HOF NFL players and get upset when people disagree or you ignore them.

MD also said it's a best board. It doesn't mean he thinks people will do better or worse than others projected before or after them. Allen fell on his board because of injuries, just like he did on probably the first 10 teams picking this year.
That's not saying Allen won't have a more dominant year in his prime than those guys, it just is a red flag with his shoulder issues.

[ Edited by Quest4six on Mar 30, 2017 at 5:19 PM ]