What would you give up to trade up to #1 for Myles Garrett?

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
They fake run, get a phenomenal trade offer, take it, then sit back down.

I honestly believe Garrett is the ONLY guy they will take at #2.

I honestly don't think anyone is interested in the #2 pick if Garrett is off the board. We may be stuck picking the best remaining player on our board instead of trading back and getting the massive haul some of us are predicting.

By that logic no one should be interested in the remainder of the draft after Garrett

Not really - one way of looking at the draft is grouping players into tiers. If Garrett is the only player in the first tier and there's a 2nd tier that encompasses 6-7 guys who could go anywhere in the top 10, trading up to #2 is a terrible value and teams won't want to do it, driving down the value of our pick if we do try to trade out.

If there were fewer very good players at the top of the draft after Garrett, the #2 pick may be worth more, because there'd be a bigger difference between the caliber of player you could get at 7 or 8 and the caliber of player you could get at #2 causing teams to want to trade up. The reason we want to trade back is that there are great prospects that can be had 6-7 picks later, but that's a good reason for teams picking after us to keep their draft spot (or try to trade back). There will be a lot more teams trying to trade back than trade up at the top of the draft after Garrett is taken in my opinion.

Looking back at the 2014 draft, the reason the Bills gave up so much to get Watkins is that there was a perceived top tier of players including Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Watkins. The Jaguars obviously felt Bortles belonged in that tier, so maybe we'll get lucky and someone will value Trubisky/Watson high enough to trade up for (Garrett is going to be the #1 pick, but maybe someone likes Trubisky a little more than anyone else in the 2nd tier).

Tier 1: Myles Garrett
Tier 2: Jamal Adams, Mallik Hooker, Leonard Fournette, Solomon Thomas, Jonathan Allen (depending on his medical), Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Marshon Lattimore

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not really - one way of looking at the draft is grouping players into tiers. If Garrett is the only player in the first tier and there's a 2nd tier that encompasses 6-7 guys who could go anywhere in the top 10, trading up to #2 is a terrible value and teams won't want to do it, driving down the value of our pick if we do try to trade out.

If there were fewer very good players at the top of the draft after Garrett, the #2 pick may be worth more, because there'd be a bigger difference between the caliber of player you could get at 7 or 8 and the caliber of player you could get at #2 causing teams to want to trade up. The reason we want to trade back is that there are great prospects that can be had 6-7 picks later, but that's a good reason for teams picking after us to keep their draft spot (or try to trade back). There will be a lot more teams trying to trade back than trade up at the top of the draft after Garrett is taken in my opinion.

Looking back at the 2014 draft, the reason the Bills gave up so much to get Watkins is that there was a perceived top tier of players including Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Watkins. The Jaguars obviously felt Bortles belonged in that tier, so maybe we'll get lucky and someone will value Trubisky/Watson high enough to trade up for (Garrett is going to be the #1 pick, but maybe someone likes Trubisky a little more than anyone else in the 2nd tier).

Tier 1: Myles Garrett
Tier 2: Jamal Adams, Mallik Hooker, Leonard Fournette, Solomon Thomas, Jonathan Allen (depending on his medical), Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Marshon Lattimore

I think Ross if he clears medical can also move into the Tier 2 group.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not really - one way of looking at the draft is grouping players into tiers. If Garrett is the only player in the first tier and there's a 2nd tier that encompasses 6-7 guys who could go anywhere in the top 10, trading up to #2 is a terrible value and teams won't want to do it, driving down the value of our pick if we do try to trade out.

If there were fewer very good players at the top of the draft after Garrett, the #2 pick may be worth more, because there'd be a bigger difference between the caliber of player you could get at 7 or 8 and the caliber of player you could get at #2 causing teams to want to trade up. The reason we want to trade back is that there are great prospects that can be had 6-7 picks later, but that's a good reason for teams picking after us to keep their draft spot (or try to trade back). There will be a lot more teams trying to trade back than trade up at the top of the draft after Garrett is taken in my opinion.

Looking back at the 2014 draft, the reason the Bills gave up so much to get Watkins is that there was a perceived top tier of players including Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Watkins. The Jaguars obviously felt Bortles belonged in that tier, so maybe we'll get lucky and someone will value Trubisky/Watson high enough to trade up for (Garrett is going to be the #1 pick, but maybe someone likes Trubisky a little more than anyone else in the 2nd tier).

Tier 1: Myles Garrett
Tier 2: Jamal Adams, Mallik Hooker, Leonard Fournette, Solomon Thomas, Jonathan Allen (depending on his medical), Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Marshon Lattimore

I think Ross if he clears medical can also move into the Tier 2 group.

I'd agree with that. Possibly Howard and Njoku too. I love the TEs coming out this year. Njoku is my draft crush after Garrett. One of the youngest players in the draft with elite athleticism and 35+" arms (and a willing blocker!)

There are a lot of talented players after Garrett, but that should make it harder, not easier to trade back. A lot of teams are going to try to acquire 2nd-4th round picks this year with how many great RBs, TEs, and defensive players are in this draft.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
I'd agree with that. Possibly Howard and Njoku too. I love the TEs coming out this year. Njoku is my draft crush after Garrett. One of the youngest players in the draft with elite athleticism and 35+" arms (and a willing blocker!)

There are a lot of talented players after Garrett, but that should make it harder, not easier to trade back. A lot of teams are going to try to acquire 2nd-4th round picks this year with how many great RBs, TEs, and defensive players are in this draft.

The DB class is looking pretty deep too, can never have too many of those.

Cleo, my wife's dead cat that cost me $100/mo for insulin shots for 2 years because she fed it into obesity to be it's friend.

Garrett or trading down to a team that Will reach for a qb has the same value.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Cleo, my wife's dead cat that cost me $100/mo for insulin shots for 2 years because she fed it into obesity to be it's friend.

Garrett or trading down to a team that Will reach for a qb has the same value.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Cleo, my wife's dead cat that cost me $100/mo for insulin shots for 2 years because she fed it into obesity to be it's friend.

Garrett or trading down to a team that Will reach for a qb has the same value.

Originally posted by jcs:

Nothing...let the cards fall where they fall. We have too many holes to give up a third of our draft just to move up one spot.

OK, more politically correct?