Malik Hooker S Ohio State

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No it's showing that having a stud safety still doesn't do much in the grand scheme of things does it?

Also how many times you gonna show that clip we know lol...oh and I watched the game my friend.

Please don't suggest that if OSU had soloman thomas, they would have won that game..

I didn't say that...safety simply isn't as important as a pass rusher/run stopper. There's a reason he's ranked as the number two overall player

FYI can you show me a game where hooker took it over like Solomon did in the UNC game?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No it's showing that having a stud safety still doesn't do much in the grand scheme of things does it?

Also how many times you gonna show that clip we know lol...oh and I watched the game my friend.

Please don't suggest that if OSU had soloman thomas, they would have won that game..

I didn't say that...safety simply isn't as important as a pass rusher/run stopper. There's a reason he's ranked as the number two overall player

FYI can you show me a game where hooker took it over like Solomon did in the UNC game?

I think it's difficult to say because a lot of his effect was on team's gameplans, they wouldn't throw those seam routes or in his area in general(considering the area he is responsible for that is HUGE). He has a large scale Impact in both taking away deep throws in the middle of the field, being able to assist on the sidelines, and while also allowing the Ss play in the box for additional run support. So he improves your pass D and because of that improves your run D. In any normal scheme I would say a safety isn't a big deal, but the fs in a cover 3 is extremely vital and there aren't many with the potential of hooker.

Plus who the hell does unc have on its interior oline that will be any good? Is that lineman going to be a pro prospect? I seriously don't know. Lol

Shoot I'd be happy with Hooker, Adams, Thomas and of course Garrett, not sure what all the commotion is about. lol

AND, I'd also be pretty happy if they traded down and selected McCaffrey.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Shoot I'd be happy with Hooker, Adams, Thomas and of course Garrett, not sure what all the commotion is about. lol

AND, I'd also be pretty happy if they traded down and selected McCaffrey.

There ya go Kolohe. Don't give into the urge to pick a guy and then try to trash everyone else!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I didn't say that...safety simply isn't as important as a pass rusher/run stopper. There's a reason he's ranked as the number two overall player

FYI can you show me a game where hooker took it over like Solomon did in the UNC game?

Then how is saying "OSU losing shows a stud safety doesn't do much" useful to the conversation?

Soloman Thomas took over 1 game. 1. Sure he had a great season, but if no Stanford game, no top 5 selection for Thomas. Same game, btw, that was greatly altered by Stanford's safety with 2 int, 1 for 6 points.

I wouldn't say hooker "took over" any game, but he sure was a piece other teams had to game plan for.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I thought it was his shoulder? Regardless still injuried...he balled so hard that they lost 31-0

The hip actually could be worse since there's a chance to lose mobility off of it.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

There ya go Kolohe. Don't give into the urge to pick a guy and then try to trash everyone else!

There is a difference in pointing out concerns about a prospect and trashing him. If we're picking a guy at #2 his resume better be damn spotless.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Then how is saying "OSU losing shows a stud safety doesn't do much" useful to the conversation?

Soloman Thomas took over 1 game. 1. Sure he had a great season, but if no Stanford game, no top 5 selection for Thomas. Same game, btw, that was greatly altered by Stanford's safety with 2 int, 1 for 6 points.

I wouldn't say hooker "took over" any game, but he sure was a piece other teams had to game plan for.

I don't want to take anything away from Hooker but Stanford isn't exactly OSU as far as talent goes. How many Stanford defensive players will go in the first two days? How many OSU defenders will go at the same time? Hell we may see two in the top 5-10.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
There ya go Kolohe. Don't give into the urge to pick a guy and then try to trash everyone else!

There is a difference in pointing out concerns about a prospect and trashing him. If we're picking a guy at #2 his resume better be damn spotless.

Well as successful Shanahan and Lynch have been in the NFL, we should have 100% confidence in who their choice is. I'm sure not everyone will be onboard with the pick, but we have to remember the players they choose will be because he fits into the vision they have in rebuilding the franchise. Even I tend to forget that when the card is handed in.

My prediction of what we can expect from Lynch and Shanahan in this draft:

1. Best defensive player on their board
2. WR
3. QB
4. RB

Originally posted by tjd808185:

The hip actually could be worse since there's a chance to lose mobility off of it.

Crazy argument since he played with it torn and didn't lose mobility, a sports hernia is no joke either, and he didn't lose mobility (well he might have done and still made those plays, scary)

Of course surgeries can go wrong but if you took that into account you couldn't draft half the prospects.

Look, I've already stated that I think Thomas might do more for our D (at this point) and has a higher floor, but there's no doubt that Hooker has special range and talent, IMO he has the highest ceiling of the class.

It's ridiculous to say that FS in our projected scheme isn't important or that you can't draft one at #2, but you and NY are right about one thing, you'd better be sure he was going to be a stud.

Originally posted by genus49:

There is a difference in pointing out concerns about a prospect and trashing him. If we're picking a guy at #2 his resume better be damn spotless.

Myles Garrett doesn't have a spotless resume, lack of production against better teams, perceived lack of motor. So should you not draft him?

The bottom line is that you draft based on projected output in the NFL and who you think fits your team and can help you the most.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Then how is saying "OSU losing shows a stud safety doesn't do much" useful to the conversation?

Soloman Thomas took over 1 game. 1. Sure he had a great season, but if no Stanford game, no top 5 selection for Thomas. Same game, btw, that was greatly altered by Stanford's safety with 2 int, 1 for 6 points.

I wouldn't say hooker "took over" any game, but he sure was a piece other teams had to game plan for.

Your the one that brought up Solomon not me. I wonder how that safety got those INTs? I'm sure it had nothing to do with Solomon getting pressure on Mitch all day pass rush > secondary. It's not like OSU has s**t up front either.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Shoot I'd be happy with Hooker, Adams, Thomas and of course Garrett, not sure what all the commotion is about. lol

AND, I'd also be pretty happy if they traded down and selected McCaffrey.

There ya go Kolohe. Don't give into the urge to pick a guy and then try to trash everyone else!

I'm not trashing anyone just pointing out if your going after a position at two espically a FS he'd better be flawless.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

There is a difference in pointing out concerns about a prospect and trashing him. If we're picking a guy at #2 his resume better be damn spotless.

Myles Garrett doesn't have a spotless resume, lack of production against better teams, perceived lack of motor. So should you not draft him?

The bottom line is that you draft based on projected output in the NFL and who you think fits your team and can help you the most.

Pass rusher >>>>>> safety...there's a reason there's been two safeties drafted top 5 in 25 yrs. he'd better flawless at FS and while a great prospect he's got issues.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Myles Garrett doesn't have a spotless resume, lack of production against better teams, perceived lack of motor. So should you not draft him?

The bottom line is that you draft based on projected output in the NFL and who you think fits your team and can help you the most.

There was obviously hyperbole in what I said but if you can't figure out what I meant then I don't know what to tell you.

When picking so high you need guys who have as many positives as possible at positions impact the game the most while having the least serious red flags or negatives to them.

Garrett has a much larger track record than Hooker or Thomas for that matter so the comparison doesn't fly. And while Garrett's strength is clearly pass rush he's not a major liability vs the run like Hooker is sometimes.