Malik Hooker S Ohio State

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Anyone who has watched the Niners for the past several years knows the defense could be burned downfield with long throws. Teams could literally wait for the 2nd half and chuck it down the field. TD!

It happened when we sucked and when we were good.

Do you know what QBs need to throw for long throws? Time.

Do you know what gives them time? No pass rush.

The SB between NE and Seattle should be a perfect example of why a FS while very important to that scheme is not some mythical beast which if you have him your defense just suddenly becomes a top 10 unit.

Brady burned the hell out of them in that 4th quarter and Earl Thomas was out there and Michael Bennett was the biggest problem the Pats had to face on that defense that day.

Top QBs can beat great secondaries if they have time. Getting guys in place who give QBs as little time as possible is the best way to develop defenses no matter what scheme. At least that's my opinion.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Not impossible but then we go back to the question, if the position is SO important to that defense then how could they not take the guy who would instantly turn around their defense?

A great LT is terrific but he's not going to turn the offense around if the QB sucks or the rest of the line is trash.

You can't have it both ways. People can't be saying oh look Carroll took FS with his first pick and then forget that they had a first rounder earlier and left Thomas on the board.

If the position is that important in his scheme and that impactful and they had Thomas rated as a top 10 guy they would've taken him first and worried about LT later.

As for Thomas people act like this kid doesn't have crazy potential on his own. Hooker is able to do some things very few guys are able to do but does some things very poorly which are pretty important. Thomas is very well rounded and scheme versatile. What happens if we decide Cover 3 isn't what we want to run next year or year down the road? Which guy out of the two of them is now a liability?

Hooker could prove to be a straight up stud, I'm not arguing that and if we draft him I'll hope he's the best damn safety ever. My biggest issue with him is there are too many things to project and hope go right. I want production, i want potential and no off the field concerns and a floor that's high up.

To me Thomas offers that more than Hooker and to me DL is still more important than FS even in a Cover 3. Get to the QB and it doesn't matter who's back there it will throw off the offense. Pats vs Seattle is a perfect example of that. Great QBs can beat any secondary if they're not rushed. I trust Jimmie Ward at FS much more than I trust our DL outside of Buckner.

so why is possibly earl thomas the most important player on their d?There is def. a bigger need at db then dl.

Truth is the Hawks made the playoffs "Without" Earl Thomas, Won a Playoff game "Without" Earl Thomas and really only lost to Atlanta because of a complete team meltdown that started with the midget throwing a couple of picks and giving up a safety.

I think Thomas is important to their team but calling him the most important player is maybe stretching it a little.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fan49:
so why is possibly earl thomas the most important player on their d?There is def. a bigger need at db then dl.

disagree there's a bigger need at DB then DL...outside of Buck we have zero starters. I'd love to see all the great film of AA. Ward IMO can be a fine FS and was a damn good S in college (jim thorpe finalist). pass rush trumps a safety

ok we can disagree there... again lol. but when ward goes to safety which I believe he will never be close to earl thomas. Who plays corner because he was our best?

Tartt
Hooker
Ward
RObinson
Williams
looks way better than

Tarrt
Ward
Williams
Robinson
Johnson?

Dude no one says he has to be Earl Thomas...Hooker isn't Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas actual knows how to tackle.

Why can't Ward be a bigger version of ATL's FS Ricardo Allen? 23rd ranked overall safety and 12th in coverage? Dude was a pretty damn good FS last yr.

Have you not looked at this draft? It's chalk full of CBs, I mean it's one of the deepest drafts I've seen at CB, TE, and RB.

We have Brock and RR on the outside, Redmond who was looked at as a 1st rd pick before getting hurt is 100%, they signed Williams to play slot, and I'd bet money they draft a CB.

Ward was an avg CB...he could be a much better FS which was his natural position in college.

Lynch already stats Ward is moving to safety

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Anyone who has watched the Niners for the past several years knows the defense could be burned downfield with long throws. Teams could literally wait for the 2nd half and chuck it down the field. TD!

It happened when we sucked and when we were good.

Do you know what QBs need to throw for long throws? Time.

Do you know what gives them time? No pass rush.

The SB between NE and Seattle should be a perfect example of why a FS while very important to that scheme is not some mythical beast which if you have him your defense just suddenly becomes a top 10 unit.

Brady burned the hell out of them in that 4th quarter and Earl Thomas was out there and Michael Bennett was the biggest problem the Pats had to face on that defense that day.

Top QBs can beat great secondaries if they have time. Getting guys in place who give QBs as little time as possible is the best way to develop defenses no matter what scheme. At least that's my opinion.

I don't disagree one bit. I have a major problem with our db's in general too. Ward is our best corner, so we shouldnt move him to safety. Brock, and reid stink. We can get thomas and have a s**tty secondary or we can get hooker and have possibly an elite secondary with decent line play, scheming for pressure.

many analysts state thomas might be too small and get tossed around by good lineman... so that does worry me.

Originally posted by fan49:
I don't disagree one bit. I have a major problem with our db's in general too. Ward is our best corner, so we shouldnt move him to safety. Brock, and reid stink. We can get thomas and have a s**tty secondary or we can get hooker and have possibly an elite secondary with decent line play, scheming for pressure.

many analysts state thomas might be too small and get tossed around by good lineman... so that does worry me.

Brock actually ranked out as our best CB last yr (24th in the league) you know who really stunk was Bethea

Originally posted by genus49:
Do you know what QBs need to throw for long throws? Time.

Do you know what gives them time? No pass rush.

The SB between NE and Seattle should be a perfect example of why a FS while very important to that scheme is not some mythical beast which if you have him your defense just suddenly becomes a top 10 unit.

Brady burned the hell out of them in that 4th quarter and Earl Thomas was out there and Michael Bennett was the biggest problem the Pats had to face on that defense that day.

Top QBs can beat great secondaries if they have time. Getting guys in place who give QBs as little time as possible is the best way to develop defenses no matter what scheme. At least that's my opinion.

Seattle had a great pass rush. Brady throws the ball in less than 2 seconds. This eliminates the Pass Rush.

NE also knows the weaknesses of a Cover 3/1. One of them being, isolating rbs and slot wrs against the LBs (which really is a weakness of most schemes as well), thereby directing your energy away from the FS.

The scheme is designed to make you work for everything, but it has holes.

Just want to throw in that salary relative to other positions is not an indication of value to the team...thats set by the market

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fan49:
I don't disagree one bit. I have a major problem with our db's in general too. Ward is our best corner, so we shouldnt move him to safety. Brock, and reid stink. We can get thomas and have a s**tty secondary or we can get hooker and have possibly an elite secondary with decent line play, scheming for pressure.

many analysts state thomas might be too small and get tossed around by good lineman... so that does worry me.

Brock actually ranked out as our best CB last yr (24th in the league) you know who really stunk was Bethea

you love bustin my balls ny

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Dudes who keep saying "how good is he, really? Couldn't beat out some other guy last year."

Please, do not take my word for it.

NFL scout sees Ed Reed as good comp for Ohio State safety

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Daniel Jeremiah:
"He has the best combination of range and ball skills that I've ever seen in a college safety. His anticipation and awareness is off the charts. I wasn't in Baltimore when Ed Reed was drafted, but I arrived the following year to scout for the Ravens and spent four years around the future Hall of Famer. Hooker is the closest thing I've seen to Reed seen since I've been scouting. He is also very effective in the run game. He takes proper angles and he's a reliable tackler.

I'm not alone in my opinion. Evaluators around the league rave about him and can't believe he's only been a one-year starter. He's just scratching the surface of what he will eventually become.

Link

"He's on a level with Earl Thomas, and I don't expect any other player to match that this year. Hooker combines awareness, instincts, and excellent burst to cover the field from sideline to sideline like the NFL's greatest. Still young and developing, but his potential is sky-high."

"The first name that comes to mind when watching Hooker is Seattle star safety Earl Thomas. Some have brought up Ed Reed, but Hooker's body type and game are more reminiscent of Thomas than anyone else. "

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Mike Mayock on Malik Hooker: He's comparable to Ed Reed and Earl Thomas

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Bucky Brooks compared him to Reggie Nelson and mike mayock at one point said Blaine was gonna be a future pro bowler lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fan49:
so why is possibly earl thomas the most important player on their d?There is def. a bigger need at db then dl.

disagree there's a bigger need at DB then DL...outside of Buck we have zero starters. I'd love to see all the great film of AA. Ward IMO can be a fine FS and was a damn good S in college (jim thorpe finalist). pass rush trumps a safety

ok we can disagree there... again lol. but when ward goes to safety which I believe he will never be close to earl thomas. Who plays corner because he was our best?

Tartt
Hooker
Ward
RObinson
Williams
looks way better than

Tarrt
Ward
Williams
Robinson
Johnson?

Dude no one says he has to be Earl Thomas...Hooker isn't Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas actual knows how to tackle.

Why can't Ward be a bigger version of ATL's FS Ricardo Allen? 23rd ranked overall safety and 12th in coverage? Dude was a pretty damn good FS last yr.

Have you not looked at this draft? It's chalk full of CBs, I mean it's one of the deepest drafts I've seen at CB, TE, and RB.

We have Brock and RR on the outside, Redmond who was looked at as a 1st rd pick before getting hurt is 100%, they signed Williams to play slot, and I'd bet money they draft a CB.

Ward was an avg CB...he could be a much better FS which was his natural position in college.

Lynch already stats Ward is moving to safety

well hes getting compared to earl and reed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Dudes who keep saying "how good is he, really? Couldn't beat out some other guy last year."

Please, do not take my word for it.

NFL scout sees Ed Reed as good comp for Ohio State safety

Link

Daniel Jeremiah:
"He has the best combination of range and ball skills that I've ever seen in a college safety. His anticipation and awareness is off the charts. I wasn't in Baltimore when Ed Reed was drafted, but I arrived the following year to scout for the Ravens and spent four years around the future Hall of Famer. Hooker is the closest thing I've seen to Reed seen since I've been scouting. He is also very effective in the run game. He takes proper angles and he's a reliable tackler.

I'm not alone in my opinion. Evaluators around the league rave about him and can't believe he's only been a one-year starter. He's just scratching the surface of what he will eventually become.

Link

"He's on a level with Earl Thomas, and I don't expect any other player to match that this year. Hooker combines awareness, instincts, and excellent burst to cover the field from sideline to sideline like the NFL's greatest. Still young and developing, but his potential is sky-high."

"The first name that comes to mind when watching Hooker is Seattle star safety Earl Thomas. Some have brought up Ed Reed, but Hooker's body type and game are more reminiscent of Thomas than anyone else. "

Link

Mike Mayock on Malik Hooker: He's comparable to Ed Reed and Earl Thomas

Link

Bucky Brooks compared him to Reggie Nelson and mike mayock at one point said Blaine was gonna be a future pro bowler lol

no one could have been under our last few oc's

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fan49:

I don't disagree one bit. I have a major problem with our db's in general too. Ward is our best corner, so we shouldnt move him to safety. Brock, and reid stink. We can get thomas and have a s**tty secondary or we can get hooker and have possibly an elite secondary with decent line play, scheming for pressure.

many analysts state thomas might be too small and get tossed around by good lineman... so that does worry me.

Brock actually ranked out as our best CB last yr (24th in the league) you know who really stunk was Bethea

you love bustin my balls ny

Lol not my intention sorry man...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bucky Brooks compared him to Reggie Nelson and mike mayock at one point said Blaine was gonna be a future pro bowler lol

Yep, anyone can be a bust, anyone can not live up to the hype.

My point is, a lot of experts grade Hooker as Elite.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bucky Brooks compared him to Reggie Nelson and mike mayock at one point said Blaine was gonna be a future pro bowler lol

Yep, anyone can be a bust, anyone can not live up to the hype.

My point is, a lot of experts grade Hooker as Elite.

Same with Solomon he's also listed as the 2nd overall prospect on cbs and NFL.com

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bucky Brooks compared him to Reggie Nelson and mike mayock at one point said Blaine was gonna be a future pro bowler lol

Yep, anyone can be a bust, anyone can not live up to the hype.

My point is, a lot of experts grade Hooker as Elite.

Same with Solomon he's also listed as the 2nd overall prospect on cbs and NFL.com

Yep. I like Solomon. I like Hooker more.