Malik Hooker S Ohio State

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Would you mind first looking through this thread, and watching the clips, and discussion, so I don't have to do all that for ya? lol. There's numerous articles, arguments, and experts going over this. That's why I asked "really" lol I thought you were joking.

Wouldn't it be easier to just give me one expert? Not being difficult I'm legit curious but don't feel like sorting through 33 pages to see. You obviously remember who they are but I don't remember yesterday so help a brother out lol.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by boooby:

I'm on board for Hooker at #2, but anyone have any thoughts on what happens to Erik Reid? To the bench? SS?

I'd see him and Tartt fight it out for SS.

Agreed

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Would you mind first looking through this thread, and watching the clips, and discussion, so I don't have to do all that for ya? lol. There's numerous articles, arguments, and experts going over this. That's why I asked "really" lol I thought you were joking.

Wouldn't it be easier to just give me one expert? Not being difficult I'm legit curious but don't feel like sorting through 33 pages to see. You obviously remember who they are but I don't remember yesterday so help a brother out lol.

Just watch this. Gives a great background to the FS position in Seattle's type of 4:3 defense and why it's so important.

https://youtu.be/glWAP7vbeH8

Originally posted by Jasta:

Just watch this. Gives a great background to the FS position in Seattle's type of 4:3 defense and why it's so important.

[url=https://youtu.be/glWAP7vbeH8]https://youtu.be/glWAP7vbeH8[/url]

My post was specific to the 49ers so Seattle means little to me.

Our secondary was the strength of our defense last year and we were historically bad at stopping the run...drafting a poor tackling FS at #2 will help that more than a DLman who is able to stop the run and rush the passer?

That doesn't even take into consideration of Jimmie Ward at FS vs Armstead at where we don't even know?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jasta:
Just watch this. Gives a great background to the FS position in Seattle's type of 4:3 defense and why it's so important.

https://youtu.be/glWAP7vbeH8

My post was specific to the 49ers so Seattle means little to me.

Our secondary was the strength of our defense last year and we were historically bad at stopping the run...drafting a poor tackling FS at #2 will help that more than a DLman who is able to stop the run and rush the passer?

That doesn't even take into consideration of Jimmie Ward at FS vs Armstead at where we don't even know?

So you didn't even click the link? It's a scouting report of Hooker.

Your second point has some merit... but IMO that's a reason to draft Adams (who I am slightly in favour of over Hooker) than drafting yet another interior defensive lineman.

Originally posted by Jasta:

So you didn't even click the link? It's a scouting report of Hooker.

Your second point has some merit... but IMO that's a reason to draft Adams (who I am slightly in favour of over Hooker) than drafting yet another interior defensive lineman.

Ive seen enough of him to form my own opinions. It still doesn't change what I said before. I fail to understands how anyone can look at our team last year and who we currently have under contract and say FS is a bigger need than DL.

I like Adams much better because he's a safer and more sure thing...but SS is even further down the list as far as importance unfortunately though I'd love to have Adams...just not over Thomas and not at two.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jasta:
So you didn't even click the link? It's a scouting report of Hooker.

Your second point has some merit... but IMO that's a reason to draft Adams (who I am slightly in favour of over Hooker) than drafting yet another interior defensive lineman.

Ive seen enough of him to form my own opinions. It still doesn't change what I said before. I fail to understands how anyone can look at our team last year and who we currently have under contract and say FS is a bigger need than DL.

I like Adams much better because he's a safer and more sure thing...but SS is even further down the list as far as importance unfortunately though I'd love to have Adams...just not over Thomas and not at two.

So you've seen enough to form your own opinions, but still want the opinion of experts so you can then ignore them?

Sorry, I'd rather go argue with climate change deniers.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Would you mind first looking through this thread, and watching the clips, and discussion, so I don't have to do all that for ya? lol. There's numerous articles, arguments, and experts going over this. That's why I asked "really" lol I thought you were joking.

Wouldn't it be easier to just give me one expert? Not being difficult I'm legit curious but don't feel like sorting through 33 pages to see. You obviously remember who they are but I don't remember yesterday so help a brother out lol.

Pete Carroll's draft history demontrates the value of the Free Safety and Pass Rusher over everything else. (read post 426).

More on the value of the single High Free Safety in the scheme were running here. "If I'm running a cover 3, there's no one I'd place higher on the board than Centerfielder."

More in the value of safety as the most "important weapon" for defensive coordinators Here

Scroll down here. "Free Safety is the key. "

More about FS being the key Here.

That was 8 minutes of my life you owe me!!!!

Originally posted by Jasta:

So you've seen enough to form your own opinions, but still want the opinion of experts so you can then ignore them?

Sorry, I'd rather go argue with climate change deniers.

Why are you getting involved in a conversation if you can't keep up with what's being discussed?

I questioned the idea that FS was a bigger need for the 49ers over stud DLman
I was told experts agreed that FS was a bigger need for the 49ers
I asked which experts
You give me a scouting video on Hooker...

How is that addressing the question I had?

You said this.

Originally posted by genus49:

I don't understand how someone can say there is a bigger need at FS than a stud DLman]

If you meant something different, then fine. But the way I read it is, "how is FS a bigger need than DL?"


I and others have answered this.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Pete Carroll's draft history demontrates the value of the Free Safety and Pass Rusher over everything else. (read post 426).

More on the value of the single High Free Safety in the scheme were running here. "If I'm running a cover 3, there's no one I'd place higher on the board than Centerfielder."

More in the value of safety as the most "important weapon" for defensive coordinators Here

Scroll down here. "Free Safety is the key. "

More about FS being the key Here.

That was 8 minutes of my life you owe me!!!!

I appreciate you looking those up but which of them say FS is a bigger need than DL and which point out how important Earl Thomas is for SEATTLE?

I also have no idea who those people are but they're basically regurgitating which I've already seen which is Seattle D revolves around their safeties and Earl Thomas as the main piece.

We are not the same team. We do not have the same roster so why are we acting like it?

And once again Thomas was not Carroll's first pick with Seattle. If FS was so important he would've grabbed Thomas at #6 especially with Berry off the board.

I simply don't see Thomas level player in this kid. If we draft him then I hope I'm dead wrong about him and he's even better than Thomas but to me Solomon Thomas offers a lot more and is scheme versatile if we ever end up changing things around and can contribute all over the line and help us fix a unit that was the weak link of our defense last year.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

You said this.


If you meant something different, then fine. But the way I read it is, "how is FS a bigger need than DL?"


I and others have answered this.

You cut out the rest of my post. We're talking about the 49ers right? Why would I care about other teams when discussing draft prospects? I don't see the need at FS for us. I didn't say it's not imortant.

I don't think anyone is necessarily saying FS is a bigger need than DL...

An elite FS will allow us to keep a SS in the box (better run D). A FS prevents us from having a big need at CB so we can use our high draft picks on DL and LB (better run D).

There are many ways to skin a cat, but using the first of 10 picks on a FS is in no way shape or form sacrificing our run defense.


Few other points:

"Why didn't Seattle take Thomas at 6?"
Because they thought Thomas would be there at 14 and Okung wouldn't. You need to consider the entire draft board and other teams probable picks. We don't have 2 picks in the top 15. Do you think hooker is there at 34? If not, and he's you're guy, you take him at 2. If you think he will be there at 34, then you wait and cross your fingers you were correct. That doesn't diminish the desire at all, it just weighs the your desire vs the other teams in the league, who don't run the same defense.

As for why are we talking about Seattle this is the niners blah blah. We get it, you prefer Thomas. But let's not confuse the narrative. Who do we have on this niner roster?

DeForest Buckner (DL). That's it!! Can maybe include Rashard Robinson (CB) who is a 1 year player and Navarro Bowman (MLB) who is coming back from his second major injury. Point is, we don't have a defensive identity. What we do have, is a D coordinator who learned under carrol, hand picked by our head coach, reportedly because he likes how Seattle's defense is run. It's completely nonsensical to not take Pete's defensive philosophy into account when literally building our defense from scratch.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Pete Carroll's draft history demontrates the value of the Free Safety and Pass Rusher over everything else. (read post 426).

More on the value of the single High Free Safety in the scheme were running here. "If I'm running a cover 3, there's no one I'd place higher on the board than Centerfielder."

More in the value of safety as the most "important weapon" for defensive coordinators Here

Scroll down here. "Free Safety is the key. "

More about FS being the key Here.

That was 8 minutes of my life you owe me!!!!

I appreciate you looking those up but which of them say FS is a bigger need than DL and which point out how important Earl Thomas is for SEATTLE?

I also have no idea who those people are but they're basically regurgitating which I've already seen which is Seattle D revolves around their safeties and Earl Thomas as the main piece.

We are not the same team. We do not have the same roster so why are we acting like it?

And once again Thomas was not Carroll's first pick with Seattle. If FS was so important he would've grabbed Thomas at #6 especially with Berry off the board.

I simply don't see Thomas level player in this kid. If we draft him then I hope I'm dead wrong about him and he's even better than Thomas but to me Solomon Thomas offers a lot more and is scheme versatile if we ever end up changing things around and can contribute all over the line and help us fix a unit that was the weak link of our defense last year.

Posted this at 6:57. You, in 5 minutes, read every link, watched the clips, and typed a reply?

I asked you to look through this forum and do the research yourself, then, after you ask me to provide you links, you do nothing with it?

Yeah, we're done here.

Originally posted by Jasta:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jasta:

So you didn't even click the link? It's a scouting report of Hooker.

Your second point has some merit... but IMO that's a reason to draft Adams (who I am slightly in favour of over Hooker) than drafting yet another interior defensive lineman.

Ive seen enough of him to form my own opinions. It still doesn't change what I said before. I fail to understands how anyone can look at our team last year and who we currently have under contract and say FS is a bigger need than DL.

I like Adams much better because he's a safer and more sure thing...but SS is even further down the list as far as importance unfortunately though I'd love to have Adams...just not over Thomas and not at two.

So you've seen enough to form your own opinions, but still want the opinion of experts so you can then ignore them?

Sorry, I'd rather go argue with climate change deniers.

I should've read your post sooner.