Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I' m starting to think Lattimore is the best pick. It's a position we wanted to upgrade with Ward being moved to safety, we went after Boyle.

People b***h about Trubisky being a 1 year starter but want Lattimore at #2? That has got to be one of the biggest bust positions out there.

No pass rush and you could have an army of prime Darrelle Revises out there and they'll get beat.

This draft is deep at corner and DBs. Pass rush comes first.

Yeah agreed one yr starter who seems to be injured a ton...ehhhh plus there's a ton of great DBs

Originally posted by genus49:
People b***h about Trubisky being a 1 year starter but want Lattimore at #2? That has got to be one of the biggest bust positions out there.

No pass rush and you could have an army of prime Darrelle Revises out there and they'll get beat.

This draft is deep at corner and DBs. Pass rush comes first.

QB is a mental position and having a 1 year starter who's never took a drop back snap screams 3 year project. Lattimore is considered as someone who could be a quick Pro Bowler because he's got it all athletically. There may be some growing pains but nowhere near the amount Mitchell is going to have. Agreed on the pass rush but playing a 5 tech at 9 will not get you it. Agree to disagree on that.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
QB is a mental position and having a 1 year starter who's never took a drop back snap screams 3 year project. Lattimore is considered as someone who could be a quick Pro Bowler because he's got it all athletically. There may be some growing pains but nowhere near the amount Mitchell is going to have. Agreed on the pass rush but playing a 5 tech at 9 will not get you it. Agree to disagree on that.

QB is a mental position...you think Trubisky shut his brain off while sitting on the bench? If anything that would've given him more time to watch film and work on the mental part of the game.

Lattimore is 2 years younger and has only 3 years out of HS. The mental aspect of a corner cannot be undersold either. I agree it's not up there with what a QB should be able to process but it's definitely not a position which is typically super easy to jump into. If anything athletic ability allows guys to make way more plays in college. In the NFL it's a lot more mental and athletic ability is great but if your head isn't there it could get guys in trouble.

Our secondary is the strength of our defense. Would be great to get a shutdown type corner but there aren't many in the NFL, very few on teams with little pass rush.

This is the safest pick if garrett taken, pass rush makes our dbs better, we desperately need one, he from Stanford, meaning he will probably not get into troubles like Aldon did and young, I say go with it

Originally posted by tjd808185:

QB is a mental position and having a 1 year starter who's never took a drop back snap screams 3 year project. Lattimore is considered as someone who could be a quick Pro Bowler because he's got it all athletically. There may be some growing pains but nowhere near the amount Mitchell is going to have. Agreed on the pass rush but playing a 5 tech at 9 will not get you it. Agree to disagree on that.

Justin Gilbert had all the athletic ability so did Dee Milliner grab Solomon at two and go after dereck rivers as the LEO in the mid rds. While I have hope for AA at this point he is a rotional guy (yes I'm saying it) Solomon is a true force in the run/pass game and is by far a better fit for our 4-3

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Justin Gilbert had all the athletic ability so did Dee Milliner grab Solomon at two and go after dereck rivers as the LEO in the mid rds. While I have hope for AA at this point he is a rotional guy (yes I'm saying it) Solomon is a true force in the run/pass game and is by far a better fit for our 4-3

Corners have a high bust rate and are absolute b*tches to extend. I'm not in love with the pick but it is a need and he's an amazing talent.

I think Mitchell was brought in to rotate with AA. I don't see 3 as a need at all. NT, Leo, Sam. Thomas would be an amazing 5 tech but I think that's Buckner's best fit and I would build everything around him. I don't think it makes much sense having 2 guys kicking inside and out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
QB is a mental position and having a 1 year starter who's never took a drop back snap screams 3 year project. Lattimore is considered as someone who could be a quick Pro Bowler because he's got it all athletically. There may be some growing pains but nowhere near the amount Mitchell is going to have. Agreed on the pass rush but playing a 5 tech at 9 will not get you it. Agree to disagree on that.

Justin Gilbert had all the athletic ability so did Dee Milliner grab Solomon at two and go after dereck rivers as the LEO in the mid rds. While I have hope for AA at this point he is a rotional guy (yes I'm saying it) Solomon is a true force in the run/pass game and is by far a better fit for our 4-3

I love the thought of this, I just don't know if I see two pass rushers in the first 3-4 rounds. Before the combine you might have gotten Rivers in the 5th, but his stock has risen.. Any questions about how our DL would be would be much different with these two beasts together. Talk about pass rush of the future..

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Corners have a high bust rate and are absolute b*tches to extend. I'm not in love with the pick but it is a need and he's an amazing talent.

I think Mitchell was brought in to rotate with AA. I don't see 3 as a need at all. NT, Leo, Sam. Thomas would be an amazing 5 tech but I think that's Buckner's best fit and I would build everything around him. I don't think it makes much sense having 2 guys kicking inside and out.

Thomas can be a 3 tech need be, he can be moved around all over...he's a better run stuffer then buck and if he puts on a couple pounds he could be the next Aaron Donald imo....your not turning your head on a talent like that because of Mitchell or even AA.

The teo positions your pushing RB and CB are the most deep positions in the draft IMO.

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

I love the thought of this, I just don't know if I see two pass rushers in the first 3-4 rounds. Before the combine you might have gotten Rivers in the 5th, but his stock has risen.. Any questions about how our DL would be would be much different with these two beasts together. Talk about pass rush of the future..

Ehhh rivers is good but played against poor competition and the draft has a lot of edge rushers...good thing is we have a ton of picks especially in the mid rds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Thomas can be a 3 tech need be, he can be moved around all over...he's a better run stuffer then buck and if he puts on a couple pounds he could be the next Aaron Donald imo....your not turning your head on a talent like that because of Mitchell or even AA.

The teo positions your pushing RB and CB are the most deep positions in the draft IMO.

3 tech is just not #2 value in a 4-3 under not to mention we already have a 1st rounder in it's spot. We're going to be drafting d line 4 years straight on that path. We're going to need a premiere Leo/ Sam Thomas or no Thomas. Good luck resigning all that.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Corners have a high bust rate and are absolute b*tches to extend. I'm not in love with the pick but it is a need and he's an amazing talent.

The fact that I got to spend another pick at edge rusher tells me what I need to know about the Thomas selection though. You barely addressed the position at 2.

What? I've read that sentence a few times and still not sure what you're talking about. Are you in favor of Thomas at 2 or not...

As for corner being a need...is it?

I'd argue secondary was our biggest strength last year and our guys played pretty well despite a trash pass rush. Brock was #24 rated corner in PFF. We also have Robinson who looks very promising. Not sure what we have in Redmond but certainly need to give him a chance because he's talented.

Our DL....not so hot. Buckner being the best of the bunch which brings us back to the whole idea that he's the only sure thing on that DL. Counting on a slumping Aaron Lynch, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine and Armstead who hasn't given us a great idea of what he can do doesn't seem like a smart thing considering how important pass rush is for the whole defense, especially in today's NFL.

Corner may be my least wanted position. One thing Baalke was good at is getting adequate corners and I think we have them. We just need to give them some help by creating a pass rush.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:
I love the thought of this, I just don't know if I see two pass rushers in the first 3-4 rounds. Before the combine you might have gotten Rivers in the 5th, but his stock has risen.. Any questions about how our DL would be would be much different with these two beasts together. Talk about pass rush of the future..

Ehhh rivers is good but played against poor competition and the draft has a lot of edge rushers...good thing is we have a ton of picks especially in the mid rds.

Maybe so, but he dominated that competition and is said to have GREAT character. Better than a guy like Jodan Willis from what I see.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

3 tech is just not #2 value in a 4-3 under not to mention we already have a 1st rounder in it's spot. We're going to be drafting d line 4 years straight on that path. We're going to need a premiere Leo/ Sam Thomas or no Thomas. Good luck resigning all that.

What are you talking about replacing? Crazy last I saw we have 9 other draft picks and a ton of edge rushers to choose from. I don't see why he can't rock some LEO if need be, dude is a straight football player that can fit anywhere on that DL. You talk about scheme fit then pump up LF who isn't a fit...

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Maybe so, but he dominated that competition and is said to have GREAT character. Better than a guy like Jodan Willis from what I see.

You got players outside of Willis like the guys from Bama, Harris, kid from UCLA etc...