Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Originally posted by krizay:
So why no love for Sam Hubbard? 6'5 272 with a faster 3 cone (6.84) than Landry.

or Kylie Fitts: 6'4", 263lbs, 6.88 3 cone.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by krizay:

So why no love for Sam Hubbard? 6'5 272 with a faster 3 cone (6.84) than Landry.

or Kylie Fitts: 6'4", 263lbs, 6.88 3 cone.

It's also about production as well....also look at the true edge guys they've brought in. Pita/Marsh/attaochu/Elvis their all around 250ish.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Butter:

Next years DE class is supposedly much better. If they draft Landry this year and he doesnt work at LEO, could the Niners slide him to OLB and draft another LEO next year?

Id be ok with having to 2 impact edge rushers on one side.

Hell yea he'd be a beast SAM lb. Beasley led the league rushing from the right side. Von does his magic from the right side.

This is my ideal scenario. Trade down a few spots, draft Landry. Let him compete for SAM on rushing downs and LEO for obvious passing downs. If they need to play him like Aldon Smith his rookie year, Im good with it. If he can prove hes an every down LEO, were set. If not, target a LEO next year and let Landry rein havoc from the SAM position ala Beasley.

This is who we should really be looking at. Move up in the 2nd and grab him. Kid is nasty

Originally posted by Dillesq:

This is who we should really be looking at. Move up in the 2nd and grab him. Kid is nasty

Essentially every Josh Sweat play he made in the backfield in 2017.

Looking back on my notes, there's a lot of Danielle Hunter to his game. High end athlete who showed he can dominant vs the run. Flashed pass rushing skill but played out of position.These are the guys you bet on pic.twitter.com/DgDSyTEKyT

— KP (@KP_Show) March 19, 2018

I really like Sweat's tape. If we don't go Landry in the first then we better grab sweat or obo

Originally posted by jgarf08:

HAROLD LANDRY, OLB, Boston College: 6-2 ½, 252.
Piled up 16 ½ sacks and seven forced fumbles in 2016 before an ankle injury limited him to eight games and five sacks in '17. "He had all the production last year," one scout said. "Played more D-end for them but can't be a D-end up here. Not a physical guy. Doesn't really play hard." Arms measured 32 7/8, ran 4.64, worked out pretty well and had 24 reps on the bench. "He needs to win initially for success," said a second scout. "Does not fight pressure. Run-around type. Tight in space." Scored 20 on the Wonderlic. "I think he's a pipedream," said a third scout. "But he could be top 50 easy."

Stolen from Phoenix and the Pre-Player Discussion thread. Interesting/concerning

Pretty sure that was reported by a Packers beat writer. The guy is connected but pump your breaks.

Green Bay has a big need at pass rush. Not saying whoever he reported didn't actually say that but with any of these reports by "scouts" or GMs unless they're named(they never are) take it with a grain of salt.

If pass rushers who may not make it to them drop because of stuff like this it works out very nicely for them. Use your own judgement.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Butter:

Next years DE class is supposedly much better. If they draft Landry this year and he doesnt work at LEO, could the Niners slide him to OLB and draft another LEO next year?

Id be ok with having to 2 impact edge rushers on one side.

Hell yea he'd be a beast SAM lb. Beasley led the league rushing from the right side. Von does his magic from the right side.

This is my ideal scenario. Trade down a few spots, draft Landry. Let him compete for SAM on rushing downs and LEO for obvious passing downs. If they need to play him like Aldon Smith his rookie year, Im good with it. If he can prove hes an every down LEO, were set. If not, target a LEO next year and let Landry rein havoc from the SAM position ala Beasley.

Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Of course. But his weakness is against the run is when he has to take on olineman directly. If the front four occupied the oline, he could run free to the ball.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Of course. But his weakness is against the run is when he has to take on olineman directly. If the front four occupied the oline, he could run free to the ball.

Trade down scenario I would agree not at pick 9 tho

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Of course. But his weakness is against the run is when he has to take on olineman directly. If the front four occupied the oline, he could run free to the ball.

He's going to have to take on blocks at some point in the run game, NFL O-Coords are too good to not attack him if he's liability in the run game. Now if he's just a 3rd down specialist so be it, but if it was me I would take a bigger impact player at #9 whether it be Roquan, Fitz, James, Edmunds even.

Even Aldon Smith his rookie year wasn't great in run defense and they tried to limit him to 3rd down, but he was pretty good at setting the edge at the very least. But running free to the ball as a Leo/Sam/Anything front 7 in the NFL isn't likely

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Of course. But his weakness is against the run is when he has to take on olineman directly. If the front four occupied the oline, he could run free to the ball.

He's going to have to take on blocks at some point in the run game, NFL O-Coords are too good to not attack him if he's liability in the run game. Now if he's just a 3rd down specialist so be it, but if it was me I would take a bigger impact player at #9 whether it be Roquan, Fitz, James, Edmunds even.

Even Aldon Smith his rookie year wasn't great in run defense and they tried to limit him to 3rd down, but he was pretty good at setting the edge at the very least. But running free to the ball as a Leo/Sam/Anything front 7 in the NFL isn't likely

I'm pretty sure Aldon only played nickel/3rd down his rookie year. So he got a pass and imo that's the same thing I'd do with Landry. Let him rush the QB like a wild dog... We got the base personnel already.

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
Landry's weakness is against the run maybe it would be a good idea to be a 3rd down guy

Of course. But his weakness is against the run is when he has to take on olineman directly. If the front four occupied the oline, he could run free to the ball.

He's going to have to take on blocks at some point in the run game, NFL O-Coords are too good to not attack him if he's liability in the run game. Now if he's just a 3rd down specialist so be it, but if it was me I would take a bigger impact player at #9 whether it be Roquan, Fitz, James, Edmunds even.

Even Aldon Smith his rookie year wasn't great in run defense and they tried to limit him to 3rd down, but he was pretty good at setting the edge at the very least. But running free to the ball as a Leo/Sam/Anything front 7 in the NFL isn't likely

Why are we pretending Landry just gets run over all the time in the running game?

Dwight Freeney was not a very good run defender...you think the Colts regret drafting him?

I don't always agree with PFF grades but I know people live and die by them.

Landry even this year when he was playing with a bum ankle and being constantly double teamed was graded out as a 7.5 run stop percentage. Chubb was 3rd with 11.0 as a comparison. Davenport was at 8.2 and Sweat was at 8.1. For some additional reference here is what PFF had to say about him heading into his senior season

Landry led all returning draft eligible defenders with 69 total pressures last season for a pass-rush productivity (PRP) of 17.5, which is No. 1 among draft eligible 4-3 defensive ends. Landry's best ability last year was winning on the outside, where 40 of his 69 total pressures came (58 percent). PRP measures pressure created on a per snap basis with weighting towards sacks.

It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well.Landry returns for his senior season as the highest graded FBS edge defender in college football with an overall PFF grade of 89.7. He also returns with a pass rushing grade of 90.2 which ranks No. 1 among returning FBS edge defenders.

I think most of us here wanted to play him similar to what Atlanta does with Beasley, which is he basically plays Sam on base and comes down at Leo in obvious pass rush downs.

If he shows to be a well rounded player who won't be weak vs the run if he plays on the line in base then he'll be moved to full time Leo for all downs.

This is the guy I want at 9 if we can't move down. I fear though Lynch is going to take Fitzpatrick or Ward.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
This is who we should really be looking at. Move up in the 2nd and grab him. Kid is nasty

Essentially every Josh Sweat play he made in the backfield in 2017.

Looking back on my notes, there's a lot of Danielle Hunter to his game. High end athlete who showed he can dominant vs the run. Flashed pass rushing skill but played out of position.These are the guys you bet on pic.twitter.com/DgDSyTEKyT

— KP (@KP_Show) March 19, 2018

brah this isn't the Sweat thread...you want to talk about him then go bring it up in his thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
brah this isn't the Sweat thread...you want to talk about him then go bring it up in his thread

he did :)