Bad teams that need a Quarterback

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yep. Been hearing it since 2005 with fellow 49er fans.

I'm rooting for Taylor, Kirk Cousins, Cutler(when healthy) to all absolutely tear it up when not playing the 49ers.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
New Orleans will mess around and win 7+ games like always. With Brees looking like he can play 2-3 more years I doubt they go QB early.


Washington is definitely one if Cousins continues to suck it up.


Cleveland and Chicago absolutely. Chicago looks like the worst team in the NFC North.



Matching QBs with teams


DeShone Kizer-Cleveland. Big, strong armed QB, a much more talented version of Jason Campbell who played for Hue in Oakland.


Deshaun Watson-San Francisco. Perfect fit for Kelly's offense in every way.


Brad Kaaya-Chicago. More traditional pocket passer with good accuracy to all levels.

You keep saying that, but what if they don't? What if the bottom finally falls out and they tank this year? Phillip Rivers had an MVP type season last year throwing for about 4700 yards (?) and they ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft. The Saints play the NFCW and NFCW this year really difficult schedule. They were sniffing around QBs last draft and while I agree that they are more likely to target defense (Garrett) they could easily take a top QB prospect to take over for Brees who is only signed through next season.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Good post and agree that we'll win just enough games to move us out of contention for the best QB fits.

It will be very interesting to see if Baalke will take the plunge!

I think Baalke has done a solid job of building up the trenches on both sides of the ball as well as a good job of getting depth in the secondary. I think we need a bonified pass rusher and obviously QB and WR. Like a poster mentioned earlier, this past draft was not worth moving up for as we had a ton of holes to fill but if we win 7 to 8 games in an obvious rebuilding year, moving up next draft to land that QB will be worth it

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post and agree that we'll win just enough games to move us out of contention for the best QB fits.

It will be very interesting to see if Baalke will take the plunge!

I think Baalke has done a solid job of building up the trenches on both sides of the ball as well as a good job of getting depth in the secondary. I think we need a bonified pass rusher and obviously QB and WR. Like a poster mentioned earlier, this past draft was not worth moving up for as we had a ton of holes to fill but if we win 7 to 8 games in an obvious rebuilding year, moving up next draft to land that QB will be worth it

Also, unlike the last draft we can trade comp picks, though I don't think we have that many this time around unfortunately (there's only one comp pick listed right now for Boone leaving).

Originally posted by ninerAxe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post and agree that we'll win just enough games to move us out of contention for the best QB fits.

It will be very interesting to see if Baalke will take the plunge!

I think Baalke has done a solid job of building up the trenches on both sides of the ball as well as a good job of getting depth in the secondary. I think we need a bonified pass rusher and obviously QB and WR. Like a poster mentioned earlier, this past draft was not worth moving up for as we had a ton of holes to fill but if we win 7 to 8 games in an obvious rebuilding year, moving up next draft to land that QB will be worth it

Also, unlike the last draft we can trade comp picks, though I don't think we have that many this time around unfortunately (there's only one comp pick listed right now for Boone leaving).

Agreed. But this year, there may be 4 QBs with 1st round grades (maybe even more by the end of the season): Watson, Kizer, Falk and Kelly. All 4 of them are not going in the top 10, guaranteed. So worst case scenario, we land one of them with the best case scenario, we trade up to get either Watson or Kizer

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Agreed. But this year, there may be 4 QBs with 1st round grades (maybe even more by the end of the season): Watson, Kizer, Falk and Kelly. All 4 of them are not going in the top 10, guaranteed. So worst case scenario, we land one of them with the best case scenario, we trade up to get either Watson or Kizer

Having Chad Kelly on this team is the worst case scenario.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by ninerAxe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post and agree that we'll win just enough games to move us out of contention for the best QB fits.

It will be very interesting to see if Baalke will take the plunge!

I think Baalke has done a solid job of building up the trenches on both sides of the ball as well as a good job of getting depth in the secondary. I think we need a bonified pass rusher and obviously QB and WR. Like a poster mentioned earlier, this past draft was not worth moving up for as we had a ton of holes to fill but if we win 7 to 8 games in an obvious rebuilding year, moving up next draft to land that QB will be worth it

Also, unlike the last draft we can trade comp picks, though I don't think we have that many this time around unfortunately (there's only one comp pick listed right now for Boone leaving).

Agreed. But this year, there may be 4 QBs with 1st round grades (maybe even more by the end of the season): Watson, Kizer, Falk and Kelly. All 4 of them are not going in the top 10, guaranteed. So worst case scenario, we land one of them with the best case scenario, we trade up to get either Watson or Kizer

Not so sure about that, I would say barring injury or off-field issues both Kizer and Watson will likely go in the top 10 just due to outright demand of that position. Despite what happened with the RGIII trade, for me it seems like the last few drafts washed it away and really showed how much importance and urgency teams need a QB. Also as Phoenix mentioned in another thread, the game has drastically been tailored to favor the QB heavily in giving them much better success and much longer careers than ever before.

In 2014 you have three QBs taken who have stabilized their teams' future in Bortle, Bridgewater, and Carr. In 2015, everyone was mocking the Titans to choose Leonard Williams and they ended up choosing Mariota whose given them the same effect the above three have had and far better than Williams ever could have. Though it's still too early especially with the Rams, the current results of what happened with the recent draft with the on-field results of Wentz and Dak seem to be heading the same direction. The Eagle's RGIII-level trade which seemed near suicidal is looking like its paying off as well and in my mind seems to be neutralizing the stigma of the RGIII trade. Let's not forget how much of a difference the Texans have shown in acquiring Osweiller despite having a beast like Watt for years. With the Rams-Eagles trades and with a seemingly better QB class in 2017, from here on I expect to see more aggressive, risky moves in teams moving to get their QBOTF. I could also imagine the frustration some QB hungry teams felt fueling them in hindsight when they let Bridgewater, Carr, and Dak slip through their fingers.

IMO I would also like to add, if needed screw current draft value. Carr and Wilson were 2nd and 3rd rounders respectively. If they were chosen in the mid to late 1st round their would probably get ridiculed in the short term but in the long term it doesn't matter anymore if become franchise QBs. I know its easy to say in hindsight especially with the Raiders getting Mack in the 1st round in that draft and Wilson being an outlier, but you know what i'm getting at.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't get it. People are willing to give up a kings ransom like a 1st, 2nd and probably a first the following year for a potential franchise QB. I say offer a 1st round pick to the Patriots for a potential franchise QB and it's to risky. Show me a team that's given up a bunch of picks to move up for a QB that it has worked out for?

Should we give a top 10 pick for jacoby brissett too ? just smoked a 2-0 team 27 nothing. I know he doesn't have two starters like your boy jimmy but.....

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Agreed. But this year, there may be 4 QBs with 1st round grades (maybe even more by the end of the season): Watson, Kizer, Falk and Kelly. All 4 of them are not going in the top 10, guaranteed. So worst case scenario, we land one of them with the best case scenario, we trade up to get either Watson or Kizer

Kelly won't be a 1st rounder. Character concerns might drop him to the 3rd round.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't get it. People are willing to give up a kings ransom like a 1st, 2nd and probably a first the following year for a potential franchise QB. I say offer a 1st round pick to the Patriots for a potential franchise QB and it's to risky. Show me a team that's given up a bunch of picks to move up for a QB that it has worked out for?

Should we give a top 10 pick for jacoby brissett too ? just smoked a 2-0 team 27 nothing. I know he doesn't have two starters like your boy jimmy but.....

Yeah let's pull a redskins and trade up for a question mark at QB in Winston who can't get his offense going vs Troy. Or a QB who couldn't win the starting spot before the season starts. Genius move. Completely mortgage our future when it has never worked. Rams and Eagles might but I'm doubtful. If you want to take a QB in the first round but you have to give up future picks to do it. When you can just trade 1 pick for a QB. Call me crazy but that seems like a better idea. And anyone who thinks Brissett looked nearly as good as Jimmy G must not be paying attention. I'll trust the best coach/GM in league and the highest drafted QB he has ever drafted must have had something he liked.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Yeah let's pull a redskins and trade up for a question mark at QB in Winston who can't get his offense going vs Troy. Or a QB who couldn't win the starting spot before the season starts. Genius move. Completely mortgage our future when it has never worked. Rams and Eagles might but I'm doubtful. If you want to take a QB in the first round but you have to give up future picks to do it. When you can just trade 1 pick for a QB. Call me crazy but that seems like a better idea. And anyone who thinks Brissett looked nearly as good as Jimmy G must not be paying attention. I'll trust the best coach/GM in league and the highest drafted QB he has ever drafted must have had something he liked.

Wentz is looking fine to me...Jimmy G has two starts means nothing to me.

He's sat and learned a offense for a couple seasons then will be asked to run a much different offense...if Josh McDaniels was our HC sure, Jimmy G running the read option would be a joke lol.

FYI I know jacoby brissett isn't as complete as a third yr QB but my point is that coaching staff needs more credit for what they've done.

I don't hate Jimmy but I'd rather chip get the QB he wants and mold him to fit his offense completely...I don't see that in Jimmy G. I want a duel threat QB that can run that read option to perfection along with being accurate.

Also if your giving up a top 10 pick for him your better Believe they'd have to pay him something along the lines of what Brock got. I'd rather have a rookie QB who's much much cheaper and help us build at other positions in FA like some play makers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wentz is looking fine to me...Jimmy G has two starts means nothing to me.

He's sat and learned a offense for a couple seasons then will be asked to run a much different offense...if Josh McDaniels was our HC sure, Jimmy G running the read option would be a joke lol.

FYI I know jacoby brissett isn't as complete as a third yr QB but my point is that coaching staff needs more credit for what they've done.

Wentz has played 2 games against the powerhouses Brown and Bears. Excuse me for holding back my opinion until the he plays the Steelers. I really don't want a RO QB. I would much rather have a pocket passing QB who can play for another coach if Chip leaves. And I give Bill and Josh a lot of credit. They have done a great job putting their QBs in a great situation to succeed. We also have a good coach who does the same thing with his QBs. But I liked Jimmy Garopollo when he was drafted. His quick release reminds me of Marino.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I don't hate Jimmy but I'd rather chip get the QB he wants and mold him to fit his offense completely...I don't see that in Jimmy G. I want a duel threat QB that can run that read option to perfection along with being accurate.

Also if your giving up a top 10 pick for him your better Believe they'd have to pay him something along the lines of what Brock got. I'd rather have a rookie QB who's much much cheaper and help us build at other positions in FA like some play makers.

Well we are paying 15 million to have a back up QB and still have ample amount of salary cap. I don't think money would be an issue. Now his RO fakes would be like Sam Bradford absolutely no one would bite. But he is repetitively accurate, quick release, works the pocket and is willing to give receivers time to get open. Which backfired causing him to get hurt. But it's better than having a QB who immediately check down (Gabbert)