DeShone Kizer QB, Notre Dame

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
I was right about 23 QBs and wrong about 5 of them. My track record is phenomenal.

And your myopic view of quarterbacking is the same derp that had people putting Wentz in the HOF after week 2 and had people calling Alex Smith useless after a couple of season.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
6 of 18 for 93 yards, 1 INT 0 TDs tonight

lol

Wow he beat Brock Osweiler out for the starting spot. A guy the Texans had to give up a 2nd rounder just to trade

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I was right about 23 QBs and wrong about 5 of them. My track record is phenomenal.

And your myopic view of quarterbacking is the same derp that had people putting Wentz in the HOF after week 2 and had people calling Alex Smith useless after a couple of season.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

The second dude's superior, condescending posts and super-needy "look at me; I was right!"

Except NY isn't right. He's been wrong about literally every word he's posted this year. On every topic.

Lol okay your track record is impeccable derp...the diffence between you and me is I can admit when I'm wrong you can't for whatever reason

I was right about 23 QBs and wrong about 5 of them. My track record is phenomenal.

And your myopic view of quarterbacking is the same derp that had people putting Wentz in the HOF after week 2 and had people calling Alex Smith useless after a couple of season.

oh okay.

Like I said the diffence between you and me is I have no problem being wrong about a player, you on the other hand won't admit when you're wrong...you're not a football GM neither am I lol. If Mitch and Cook turn into bona fide QB stars, I'll be the first to say I was wrong and move on with my life.

You from what I've gathered care more about being right about a player then see someone like CJ or another 49er pick (that you didn't like) turn into something good...wtf is that s**t all about?

And you know I've agree with s**t you've said in the past, but I simply don't agree on this subject with kizer/Mitch and that's that. Have to wait and see.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

You're just throwing away your time and effort, dude. You and I have disagreed before, and I respect the way you did it. These two...

The first guy openly admitted he was here to b!tch all season long b/c he didn't like the HM/HC hires, nor the QB they drafted, and he's pretty much held that line since.

The second dude's superior, condescending posts and super-needy "look at me; I was right!" posting tendencies make me think of those sad, disillusioned faux-experts who honestly believe they deserve a career in football, but they didn't "know the right people" or "catch a break."

Point is, I don't think anything you write, in any reply you post to them, will make a dent or even be viewed as a rationale human thought worthy of consideration. IMVHO, they are both here for something other than the intelligent, respectful exchange of differing viewpoints.

Yeah I think you nailed it..

FYI I think the only real thing we disagreed on was mahomes

But that was my DUDE.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

But that was my DUDE.

Lol he has a real shot to be special, think it's gonna take a little time though

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
But that was my DUDE.

Lol he has a real shot to be special, think it's gonna take a little time though

Alex doesn't suck. KC can wait a year or 2, then... BOOM. If they're smart, they'll stockpile some downfield threats before they turn him loose. That said, I wanted him BAD for the 49ers. Now he's just another dude I'm glad got picked outside the division. Was scared he was gonna be serving up Bombs Away, All Day for Arians in AZ.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
But that was my DUDE.

Lol he has a real shot to be special, think it's gonna take a little time though

Alex doesn't suck. KC can wait a year or 2, then... BOOM. If they're smart, they'll stockpile some downfield threats before they turn him loose. That said, I wanted him BAD for the 49ers. Now he's just another dude I'm glad got picked outside the division. Was scared he was gonna be serving up Bombs Away, All Day for Arians in AZ.

Me too. He seemed like a perfect match for Arian's offense

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Alex doesn't suck. KC can wait a year or 2, then... BOOM. If they're smart, they'll stockpile some downfield threats before they turn him loose. That said, I wanted him BAD for the 49ers. Now he's just another dude I'm glad got picked outside the division. Was scared he was gonna be serving up Bombs Away, All Day for Arians in AZ.

Thought he'd be a better fit in Zona's scheme vs say ours or Reid's WCO.

I like the qbs in this upcoming draft more plus I like the possible options in FAs...CJ is a pleasant suprise so far. I'm cool with what we got in the 1st along with the extra picks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Alex doesn't suck. KC can wait a year or 2, then... BOOM. If they're smart, they'll stockpile some downfield threats before they turn him loose. That said, I wanted him BAD for the 49ers. Now he's just another dude I'm glad got picked outside the division. Was scared he was gonna be serving up Bombs Away, All Day for Arians in AZ.

Thought he'd be a better fit in Zona's scheme vs say ours or Reid's WCO.

I like the qbs in this upcoming draft more plus I like the possible options in FAs...CJ is a pleasant suprise so far. I'm cool with what we got in the 1st along with the extra picks.

See now we're disagreeing again . I actually hated the Solly pick leading up to the draft and immediately afterward. I got excited about it when it was reported he was training with everyone who ever had more than 12 sacks in a season EVAR, but then I saw him play in our scheme and he doesn't pop like I'd want a #3 overall DL to do. He seems like he's good at everything, great at several things, but not "OH DAMN" at anything. I thought Mahomes could've fit our scheme, with his release, ball placement, and intelligence, as well as Shanahan's laser focus on developing footwork. I'd love to be wrong, but I think Mahomes could've been a special QB for us (Brett Farve with actual study habits), and I think Solly will be a solid starter with Pro Bowl potential. Not a miss, not a bust, but I wanted to swing for the fences.

Rosen is the only guy I like for Shanahan so far in this draft, but I have a lot more watching to do.

Re: Kizer (trying to make this conversation relate to the thread it's in), I never liked him as a fit here. I don't think he has the skill set to get the ball out quickly, but I could be wrong there. I think he'd be a better fit w/a downfield offense where he can move in the pocket and launch up bombs. Beating the septic tank slurry the Browns have amassed at QB doesn't impress me as much as it does others, but he has a chance to succeed with Hue, who I really respect as an offensive teacher/coordinator (not sure how I feel about him as a HC, but I was excited about his candidacy w/the 49ers last year), and who likes to push the ball downfield. At least they can protect him while he holds the ball.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

See now we're disagreeing again . I actually hated the Solly pick leading up to the draft and immediately afterward. I got excited about it when it was reported he was training with everyone who ever had more than 12 sacks in a season EVAR, but then I saw him play in our scheme and he doesn't pop like I'd want a #3 overall DL to do. He seems like he's good at everything, great at several things, but not "OH DAMN" at anything. I thought Mahomes could've fit our scheme, with his release, ball placement, and intelligence, as well as Shanahan's laser focus on developing footwork. I'd love to be wrong, but I think Mahomes could've been a special QB for us (Brett Farve with actual study habits), and I think Solly will be a solid starter with Pro Bowl potential. Not a miss, not a bust, but I wanted to swing for the fences.

Rosen is the only guy I like for Shanahan so far in this draft, but I have a lot more watching to do.

Re: Kizer (trying to make this conversation relate to the thread it's in), I never liked him as a fit here. I don't think he has the skill set to get the ball out quickly, but I could be wrong there. I think he'd be a better fit w/a downfield offense where he can move in the pocket and launch up bombs. Beating the septic tank slurry the Browns have amassed at QB doesn't impress me as much as it does others, but he has a chance to succeed with Hue, who I really respect as an offensive teacher/coordinator (not sure how I feel about him as a HC, but I was excited about his candidacy w/the 49ers last year), and who likes to push the ball downfield. At least they can protect him while he holds the ball.

Welp I guess so on solly , thought he looked great in the KC game for a guy that missed OTAs and is a rookie. He's Michael Bennett 2.0 imo. He's only 21 as well, so he's far from even close to a finished product, I can see him getting stronger as well. Love his hands and technique which is already very good for someone that age imo.

Mahomes is raw as hell and it showed in the Seattle game...upside through the roof but we both agree that's a work in progress.

And IMHO this team isn't in a place to swing for the fences epically at 3...I'll take a pro-bowl caliber player who's deemed "safe" for a team that's short on talent all over the place. Throw in Foster and a 2nd/3rd next yr and I thought it was a great first draft.

I wasn't a real fan of any of these qbs to be honest...Mitch was my top QB because I think he fits best for what Kyle wants. Then it was mahomes and peterman. I thought all the top qbs drafted where overdrafted end of the day.

I also like Rosen for this scheme the most...not sure how you don't like allen but like Mohomes lol? Very similar skill set imo.

FYI I could and probably will be wrong but until I see more hard to say on all these qbs...solly will be starting sooner than later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Welp I guess so on solly , thought he looked great in the KC game for a guy that missed OTAs and is a rookie. He's Michael Bennett 2.0 imo. He's only 21 as well, so he's far from even close to a finished product, I can see him getting stronger as well. Love his hands and technique which is already very good for someone that age imo.

Mahomes is raw as hell and it showed in the Seattle game...upside through the roof but we both agree that's a work in progress.

And IMHO this team isn't in a place to swing for the fences epically at 3...I'll take a pro-bowl caliber player who's deemed "safe" for a team that's short on talent all over the place. Throw in Foster and a 2nd/3rd next yr and I thought it was a great first draft.

I wasn't a real fan of any of these qbs to be honest...Mitch was my top QB because I think he fits best for what Kyle wants. Then it was mahomes and peterman. I thought all the top qbs drafted where overdrafted end of the day.

I also like Rosen for this scheme the most...not sure how you don't like allen but like Mohomes lol? Very similar skill set imo.

FYI I could and probably will be wrong but until I see more hard to say on all these qbs...solly will be starting sooner than later.

I don't dislike Allen, and I agree he has similarities w/Mahomes, but I think they have important differences. In Allen's plus column, he's taller and he plays in a more traditional offense. In his minus column, his release can display an ugly windup, his ball placement is less consistent, and he hasn't had that big arrow-up season (yet) that Mahomes had last year that showed he was likely to keep improving at reading defenses. Both guys had wtf moments and crazy highlights.

Allen could be a DUDE, but I need to see more development.

FWIW, I think the best time to swing for the fences is when everyone already expects you to suck. Nothing lost if you gamble and lose; you aren't ruining a good team.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Talk about blowning s**t out of proportion with Schaub lol dude wasn't a horrible QB with kyle his two yrs in Houston.

I never said he was horrible. He was mediocre. And you're tricked into thinking he was good because of stats in a cream-puff division.

weak counter there NS

"Counter?" I "countered" by correcting an erroneous comment w/ a statement I've been saying from the beginning? What are you even talking about?

don't try to digress now... and all of your counters are weak. Correcting (as you call it) by making excuses holds no weight. It went from schaub sucks, to don't believe the good stats, to cream puff division ...you just keep backpedaling lol

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I was right about 23 QBs and wrong about 5 of them. My track record is phenomenal.

And your myopic view of quarterbacking is the same derp that had people putting Wentz in the HOF after week 2 and had people calling Alex Smith useless after a couple of season.

But, Alex Smith hasn't won any super bowls, which makes him mediocre, which, I thought, does in fact make him useless