Baalke is too smart!

Most of the FAs I liked are being overpaid so I don't think Baalke is making a bad move by not making any moves.

Some people do not know how this nfl thing works lol ballke is doing exactly what's necessary, got one question for all the haters! Can you name one good team that was built on over priced FA like in the history of salary cap football? Here's a hint there is zero good job TB you don't over pay for peices that will never play to their contract

A bunch of average players being overpaid like crazy.

We got Ahmad brooks type production players getting JJ watt money. Not surprised one bit that baalke is passing.

Originally posted by Zachary13White:
Some people do not know how this nfl thing works lol ballke is doing exactly what's necessary, got one question for all the haters! Can you name one good team that was built on over priced FA like in the history of salary cap football? Here's a hint there is zero good job TB you don't over pay for peices that will never play to their contract

the broncos but that was a couple of years ago

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Eastbay9er:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
With so much cap space sign at least one top tier free agent. This would at least show the fans they're trying.

THIS!!! Show something!!!

I'm completely fine if the team is planning on tanking next year for a high draft pick and rolling over $50 million in cap space for next offseason. There will be a lot of teams rolling over cap room and the salary cap will probably go up again, so we're not likely to find better deals next year, but we can end up with a better draft pick by tanking next year and a ton of cap space. I'd be fine with a 4-12 season (with a much better +/- showing team improvement) if we roll over $50 million in cap space. 2 consecutive years of high draft picks and tons of cash is a decent way to rebuild.

and you'd be wrong, teams have to spend at least 89% of the cap. So if the cap is set at 155, then the niners have to reach 138. Besides rolling over unspent moeny, I believe like you said if the cap raises, and also things like players like Willis and Borland Retiring and Davis sitting out, affects the cap. this year and may effect it next year.

The other thing people forget is that the 55 m the niners are under is for this year, when the next year comes and peoples salary escalates and then you some players like a Vernon who had a 52 mil guaranteed money now you are setting up yourself for cap hell if you don't factor that in, many fans and media I don't think factor in that, they only look at it like 55 mill, good over the next few years. We just signed Ian, so take away some of the 55 extra and don't forget the draft. The niners have lots of holes, and getting a couple of big names won't benefit as much a getting a lot of middle of the road players and getting them to gell. Besides, getting big name players doesn't always results in good invest. Look at a lot of niners that left us for big money-where are they now? You need signings like Carlos, Dawson, Boldin type signings. If there is a Justin or Norton type player that fits, great, but those are few and far between.

Originally posted by FaTaL:

Originally posted by Zachary13White:
Some people do not know how this nfl thing works lol ballke is doing exactly what's necessary, got one question for all the haters! Can you name one good team that was built on over priced FA like in the history of salary cap football? Here's a hint there is zero good job TB you don't over pay for peices that will never play to their contract

the broncos but that was a couple of years ago

Elway didn't go overboard, he did what Walsh did, get one player that at a time that could impact, like last year he got the cowboys rush specialist to team with Von, but they two were alike and he matched the system. The better or is it worse example are the Redskins who until recently swung and overpaid for several years. Snyder finally learned and backed off.

Here is the other thing, there will be those that are cut after the draft too. These can be signed as short term solutions. We need a lot of middle of the road players that will fit the system and play together.

I think the only one that Baalke tried but couldn't get was Sean, but the Raiders on paper look like they are going in the right direction, not to mention that the D won't be on the field as much. So, it is not like he isn't trying. Vernon did not fit us. He'd be like Mario, a waste and out of place. Not to mentioned being overly paid.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Eastbay9er:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
With so much cap space sign at least one top tier free agent. This would at least show the fans they're trying.

THIS!!! Show something!!!

I'm completely fine if the team is planning on tanking next year for a high draft pick and rolling over $50 million in cap space for next offseason. There will be a lot of teams rolling over cap room and the salary cap will probably go up again, so we're not likely to find better deals next year, but we can end up with a better draft pick by tanking next year and a ton of cap space. I'd be fine with a 4-12 season (with a much better +/- showing team improvement) if we roll over $50 million in cap space. 2 consecutive years of high draft picks and tons of cash is a decent way to rebuild.

and you'd be wrong, teams have to spend at least 89% of the cap. So if the cap is set at 155, then the niners have to reach 138. Besides rolling over unspent moeny, I believe like you said if the cap raises, and also things like players like Willis and Borland Retiring and Davis sitting out, affects the cap. this year and may effect it next year.

The other thing people forget is that the 55 m the niners are under is for this year, when the next year comes and peoples salary escalates and then you some players like a Vernon who had a 52 mil guaranteed money now you are setting up yourself for cap hell if you don't factor that in, many fans and media I don't think factor in that, they only look at it like 55 mill, good over the next few years. We just signed Ian, so take away some of the 55 extra and don't forget the draft. The niners have lots of holes, and getting a couple of big names won't benefit as much a getting a lot of middle of the road players and getting them to gell. Besides, getting big name players doesn't always results in good invest. Look at a lot of niners that left us for big money-where are they now? You need signings like Carlos, Dawson, Boldin type signings. If there is a Justin or Norton type player that fits, great, but those are few and far between.

You don't have to spend 89% of the salary cap every season. Teams only have to spend 89% of the cap between 2013 and 2016. The Jags rolled over $32 million this past season. The 49ers are going to roll over a lot of cap space and had plenty of cap room to sign Vernon to a front loaded deal if we wanted to and still sign plenty of cheap guys for depth. It will only cost us around $6-6.5 million to sign all our draft picks because not all drafted players will fit into the top 51 (only 51 contracts count against the cap) and the ones that will are replacing other players who would have counted against the cap. A rookie with a cap hit of $1 million only adds ~$0.5 million to the team's salary cap because they'll replace someone cheaper.

We're choosing to sit on our cap room which is fine with me even if it indicates the team isn't trying to be competitive in 2016 and would prefer to keep the money available for next year's free agency period. You are kidding yourself if you think the 49ers are using the cap room we saved from skipping out on those big names to sign more mediocre players - we're just deferring it to 2017. I'll be very surprised if we don't end up deferring $20+ million of cap room (could be much more than that, especially if we trade Kaepernick).

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
You don't have to spend 89% of the salary cap every season. Teams only have to spend 89% of the cap between 2013 and 2016. The Jags rolled over $32 million this past season. The 49ers are going to roll over a lot of cap space and had plenty of cap room to sign Vernon to a front loaded deal if we wanted to and still sign plenty of cheap guys for depth. It will only cost us around $6-6.5 million to sign all our draft picks because not all drafted players will fit into the top 51 (only 51 contracts count against the cap) and the ones that will are replacing other players who would have counted against the cap. A rookie with a cap hit of $1 million only adds ~$0.5 million to the team's salary cap because they'll replace someone cheaper.

We're choosing to sit on our cap room which is fine with me even if it indicates the team isn't trying to be competitive in 2016 and would prefer to keep the money available for next year's free agency period. You are kidding yourself if you think the 49ers are using the cap room we saved from skipping out on those big names to sign more mediocre players - we're just deferring it to 2017. I'll be very surprised if we don't end up deferring $20+ million of cap room (could be much more than that, especially if we trade Kaepernick).

Vernon ain't worth the money he got 52 guaranteed. Sets a bad precedent for players on your team, and he is not a fit for the niners style. Like I said he would be like Mario in Buffalo. Before last years fa period the niners didn't have the cap money to spend so they did not roll it over from there. The other point is that things add up, and you can't count next years cap being the same if you spend to much. However, whatever they can rollover, next year may not have as much competition or maybe better players to sign.

I know fans want the image of the niners doing something like the Raiders, who doesn't, but everyone knows that at the begining of FA, you overpay. That is stupid if you are not sure how the player is going to turn out in your system. More often than not they turn into busts rather than Justin Smithy. Even when they are good or decent, when you overpay, look at how many had to be released or cut midway thru there contract. Which then causes teams fighting the cap.

The Jags rollover was due to how they take hits from the previous season to this when they had to take on some accelerated bonus's. Plus, some of it I think was also included for adjustments in revenue. Not mention I remember a judge said that the NFL made a mistake in the revenue sharing.

I think they want to build the team through the draft, which can take longer but we are definitely in a rebuild mode. So saying that, why would you play top free agents big money only to have their efforts wasted on a bad team not ready to compete at the highest level...save the money for when we are competitive

The only guy I think we really missed out on was the guard/tackle from Baltimore that signed with the Raiders. He was the only guy I'd overpay for.

Its clear we want to build through the draft. Maybe Chip is pushing to build through the draft too since the free agents he signed last year didn't produce as he expected so maybe he learned his lesson?. It's also clear Trent still believe we have talent and with a decent coaching staff I guess he believes they'd be better off then last year. Rather right or wrong he's sticking with his guns. It's his job on the line.

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Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Kes8514:
When the Niners were a contender a few years back, their players were built from the draft, not free agency. None of these players that are being signed for huge contracts would have been worth it.

We are in a rebuilding mode. Build through the draft. Now the question is can Baalke and Kelly do that?

Except for Justin smith, Carlos Rogers, donte whitner, Johnathan Goodwin, randy moss, Ted ginn, Ahmad brooks, Akers aND Phil Dawson.

While we did have a majority of our players from the draft we had a number of contributors to our contention years come from FA

EXCELLENT call jonnydel!

Originally posted by Kes8514:
When the Niners were a contender a few years back, their players were built from the draft, not free agency. None of these players that are being signed for huge contracts would have been worth it.

We are in a rebuilding mode. Build through the draft. Now the question is can Baalke and Kelly do that?

an how has building through the draft worked out for us recently. who do we have now to speak for us. jimmy ward? arik armstead? f**kin joke

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