Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Young man did fine last night. When it mattered most he was clutch. He's far from perfect this year given what he did the previous year. I hope he and Kizer lights it up the rest of the year. Although I like both, I would rather take Garrett and Falk later or trade down a bit and take Trubisky. Hopefully some teams are willing to trade up.

Trubisky is on the rise (and rightfully so), he may go before Watson and Kizer. I see Falk at best a late 1st to 2nd round pick.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Young man did fine last night. When it mattered most he was clutch. He's far from perfect this year given what he did the previous year. I hope he and Kizer lights it up the rest of the year. Although I like both, I would rather take Garrett and Falk later or trade down a bit and take Trubisky. Hopefully some teams are willing to trade up.

Trubisky is on the rise (and rightfully so), he may go before Watson and Kizer. I see Falk at best a late 1st to 2nd round pick.

Agree, when all said and done Trubisky may very well be the first QB taken. Im not on the Watson bandwagon either. I just hope he gets hot and someone is willing to trade up and we can take Falk later.

Originally posted by x--OoO--x:

Call me a biggot, call me NFL QB racist. But I want no part in a African American QB. As much as I have tried and tried to look away from the stigmata but on the it's so fuking true I can't stand it. Before you throw the midge in my face I'm pretty sure he is half a black guy,. Like Kraep.. Look at Yyrod Taylor look at Scam Newton. The don't win. The Panthers D got them to the SB last year. Watson is Tyrod Taylor.. Would you draft him (Taylor) in the Top 5? Hell no.. It was cool little ploy by American TV but black guys need to run and catch and tackle.. That's it

Exactly why Kap is kneeling, it doesn't only have to do with shooting, it's about liberty and justice for all like the national anthem is supposed to stand for, about being equal, putting black ppl in a box and saying they should be this or that is wrong, ppl like you are who hurt this country, basically saying a white personshould only be a QB, pretty disgusting realizing ppl feel like you do..I'm sure it's not just football related too..sry this makes me sick and im an Italian man from jersey who does not see black brown white I see humans..

As for Watson like Phoenix said its about him watching tape and dedicating himself to fixing his mistakes..if he is able to do that then I can't see how he's not the 1st QB taken I this draft and I hope it's the niners who take him..

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Post and twist his play anyway you want to, for every one to three videos you post of him doing this or that, there's a ton of video out there that says otherwise. But of course disregard that right and we should just base his play off of what you see.

Please explain how there is a "ton of" bad video out there on a QB who is 8-0 this season and was 14-1 last season with his only loss being a superhuman effort against Bama in the championship game (he was a freak as a freshman as well and actually broke the Clemson record for most passing TDs in a game with 6 in his first start as a freshman). Please find all the bad video of literally the only QB in NCAA history to throw for 4000 and rush for 1000 in one season.

You're chirping because he threw two bad passes and so you have concluded that he can't read defenses or come off his first read. I then rebutted that assertion with video evidence from last night's game alone, and you have no idea how to gracefully concede that the video shows you are wrong.

If you tell me that he is dependent on his first read and I literally provide video evidence from last night's game (where he went over 400 yards AGAIN) that shows several examples of him demonstrating next level sophistication on numerous fronts (maneuvering within the pocket, manipulating coverage with his eyes, recognizing a blitz and pivoting to the backside for a TD, using a pump fake to his first read to then go deeper to his next read for a first down conversion), then you really don't have a leg to stand on here.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

I'm not sold on him, I'm a fsu fan and any qb can throw on that garbage secondary with constant break downs. I'm leaning towards Garrett and hopefully we can get trubisky later

Mitch is well on his way to be a top 10-15 pick no way we can land both

If we draft at 2nd overall, our 2nd and 3rd round pick would get us a first in the teens.

Ummm no it wouldn't...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

34th pick is worth 560 and 66th pick is worth 260=820

Picks 10-15 range from 1,500 to 1,050

The way Mitch is playing he's gonna be at the least a top15 pick.

Originally posted by x--OoO--x:

Go dust off your participation trophy...

Boy that African American qb Dak sure looks like he can't run a offense

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by x--OoO--x:
Go dust off your participation trophy...

Boy that African American qb Dak sure looks like he can't run a offense

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by x--OoO--x:

Go dust off your participation trophy...

Boy that African American qb Dak sure looks like he can't run a offense

Lol yeah I'm sure glad the niners passed on him..!!!! 😉🤔😁

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I'm not sold on him, I'm a fsu fan and any qb can throw on that garbage secondary with constant break downs. I'm leaning towards Garrett and hopefully we can get trubisky later

Mitch is well on his way to be a top 10-15 pick no way we can land both

If we draft at 2nd overall, our 2nd and 3rd round pick would get us a first in the teens.

Ummm no it wouldn't...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

34th pick is worth 560 and 66th pick is worth 260=820

Picks 10-15 range from 1,500 to 1,050

The way Mitch is playing he's gonna be at the least a top15 pick.

I used the draft pick calculator from http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

According to that it works, and those two picks have more value than the 15th overall pick. 34th overall was 773 and 66th was 437. 15th was worth 1200.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I used the draft pick calculator from http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

According to that it works, and those two picks have more value than the 15th overall pick. 34th overall was 773 and 66th was 437. 15th was worth 1200.

Isn't that for fantasy football? Not sure how relevant that is for the draft...

That also says it's possible to trade up from the teens to #1 with a 2nd round pick which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I used the draft pick calculator from http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

According to that it works, and those two picks have more value than the 15th overall pick. 34th overall was 773 and 66th was 437. 15th was worth 1200.

Isn't that for fantasy football? Not sure how relevant that is for the draft...

That also says it's possible to trade up from the teens to #1 with a 2nd round pick which is ridiculous.

Yea the football guys is a fantasy football sight, they do podcasts too

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Trubisky is on the rise (and rightfully so), he may go before Watson and Kizer. I see Falk at best a late 1st to 2nd round pick.

The Trubisky hype train is just getting started. If his play continues then it will only gain more momentum. It wouldn't shock me at this point if he is the first QB taken in the draft.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I used the draft pick calculator from http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

According to that it works, and those two picks have more value than the 15th overall pick. 34th overall was 773 and 66th was 437. 15th was worth 1200.

Isn't that for fantasy football? Not sure how relevant that is for the draft...

That also says it's possible to trade up from the teens to #1 with a 2nd round pick which is ridiculous.

I'm using the one posted in Draft Value Chart thread, so if it lacks credibility, the mods need to remove it and put up a better one.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I'm not sold on him, I'm a fsu fan and any qb can throw on that garbage secondary with constant break downs. I'm leaning towards Garrett and hopefully we can get trubisky later

Mitch is well on his way to be a top 10-15 pick no way we can land both

If we draft at 2nd overall, our 2nd and 3rd round pick would get us a first in the teens.

Ummm no it wouldn't...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

34th pick is worth 560 and 66th pick is worth 260=820

Picks 10-15 range from 1,500 to 1,050

The way Mitch is playing he's gonna be at the least a top15 pick.

I used the draft pick calculator from http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

According to that it works, and those two picks have more value than the 15th overall pick. 34th overall was 773 and 66th was 437. 15th was worth 1200.

hmmm every other draft value chart doesn't match up to that.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

http://theredzone.org/NFLDraft/NFLDraftValueChart.aspx

http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

etc....like everyone else said think that's fantasy football mods should take that down.