Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per mike Lombardi

"Deshaun Watson is impressing every team with his knowledge of the offense his understanding of coverages and personnel and leadership skills"

Not surprised. Kid comes off as a highly intelligent and a student of the game.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Per mike Lombardi

"Deshaun Watson is impressing every team with his knowledge of the offense his understanding of coverages and personnel and leadership skills"

Not surprised. Kid comes off as a highly intelligent and a student of the game.

Bring him aboard

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per mike Lombardi

"Deshaun Watson is impressing every team with his knowledge of the offense his understanding of coverages and personnel and leadership skills"

Not surprised. Kid comes off as a highly intelligent and a student of the game.

I told a bunch of people this. I think we were over analyzing him throughout the season. Sure he has his flaws, but damn he has those intangibles that you cannot coach.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Please don't try to explain away what he did vs the likes of Ohio State and Bama. Larry Fedora operates a hurry-up, spread system as well at UNC (they actually averaged 41 ppg in his first season back in 2012) that he honed as an assistant at UF and OKST. Cosell could say that crap about any of the top prospects this year.

lol, yeah. But the crowd that loves Tribusky or Peterman must s**t on every other offensive scheme, meanwhile not realizing their QBs scheme has many of the same issues.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Yea people were calling him small jointed and talking like he had small Michael Vick hands. Some of the bigger hands out of the prospects, taller than 6"2 and 221 pounds. And he's still only 21 so you know he's gonna put on some more weight.

No one was saying this. He clearly had big hands which you could see in dozens of images. His weight is a positive since some people were saying he was closer to 215, but these measurements aren't terribly surprising.

The only surprise so far is Mahomes is 6'2 (slightly shorter than Trubisky) with small hands (9 1/4").

Nice to see he's impressing with reading coverages - hopefully he can work on seeing the middle of the field next.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Please don't try to explain away what he did vs the likes of Ohio State and Bama. Larry Fedora operates a hurry-up, spread system as well at UNC (they actually averaged 41 ppg in his first season back in 2012) that he honed as an assistant at UF and OKST.

None of them are ready for NFL level coverages, every single QB in this draft is going to have a very rough adjustment period if they are thrown into the fire early.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Please don't try to explain away what he did vs the likes of Ohio State and Bama. Larry Fedora operates a hurry-up, spread system as well at UNC (they actually averaged 41 ppg in his first season back in 2012) that he honed as an assistant at UF and OKST. Cosell could say that crap about any of the top prospects this year.

lol, yeah. But the crowd that loves Tribusky or Peterman must s**t on every other offensive scheme, meanwhile not realizing their QBs scheme has many of the same issues.

Trubisky and Peterman have no problem scanning the field, can't say that about a few of the top QB's in this draft.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
None of them are ready for NFL level coverages, every single QB in this draft is going to have a very rough adjustment period if they are thrown into the fire early.

And that's why none of the are worth the #2 pick.

Originally posted by jcs:
And that's why none of the are worth the #2 pick.

If one of these guys seems likely to become an All Pro passer down the road with some coaching, they could very well be worth it even if they don't play much their first year. Evaluators need to project what these guys are going to look like in their scheme, with some time and coaching, what they will be capable of in a year, three years, five years...etc. I think Trubisky, Watson, Kizer and Mahomes all can be successful given the right coaching and the right talent around them.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

None of them are ready for NFL level coverages, every single QB in this draft is going to have a very rough adjustment period if they are thrown into the fire early.

And that's why none of the are worth the #2 pick.

Don't most top QB prospects have rough adjustment periods? They still get drafted high

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

If one of these guys seems likely to become an All Pro passer down the road with some coaching, they could very well be worth it even if they don't play much their first year. Evaluators need to project what these guys are going to look like in their scheme, with some time and coaching, what they will be capable of in a year, three years, five years...etc. I think Trubisky, Watson, Kizer and Mahomes all can be successful given the right coaching and the right talent around them.

Because of the points you made and Kyle Shannahan's history with QB development, I will be fully on board with whatever decision they make.

I have been and still am a fan of Watson, but if KS goes a different route I trust him.

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:
Don't most top QB prospects have rough adjustment periods? They still get drafted high

More and more QB's are going to need longer adjustment periods considering the offenses they are coming out of. The future of NFL draft picks at quarterback looks more like Trubisky, Watson, Kizer and Mahomes than what we've seen in the past. More teams than ever are running spread offenses, even starting at the high school level. In Texas, over 90 percent of the high schools run a form of the spread offense and these kids are moving into college into similar schemes without ever having to take consistent snaps under center. Its not going to change anytime soon.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Trubisky and Peterman have no problem scanning the field, can't say that about a few of the top QB's in this draft.

We don't really know what Trubisky has a problem with due to such a limited sample size. Everyone was creaming themselves over Watson after the first Bama game headed into this season without any concerns about scanning anything (hell I linked a video from his first start as a freshman vs UNC ironically when Trubisky actually played a few series where Watson tossed 6 TDs including a couple of great instances of deep accuracy and manipulating coverages while reading), yet now we're all suddenly concerned after watching him bring home a title and slaughter two NFL defenses in Bama/ Ohio St.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trubisky and Peterman have no problem scanning the field, can't say that about a few of the top QB's in this draft.

We don't really know what Trubisky has a problem with due to such a limited sample size. Everyone was creaming themselves over Watson after the first Bama game headed into this season without any concerns about scanning anything (hell I linked a video from his first start as a freshman vs UNC ironically when Trubisky actually played a few series where Watson tossed 6 TDs including a couple of great instances of deep accuracy and manipulating coverages while reading), yet now we're all suddenly concerned after watching him bring home a title and slaughter two NFL defenses in Bama/ Ohio St.

Not everyone. Jeremiah compared him to a poor man's Mariota going into the season (smaller, less accurate, less athletic, less arm talent) which still seems like a fair comparison. He was also compared to Bridgewater in the offseason. 6'2 QBs with good, but not great arms don't get drafted #1 overall. The hype last year was a bunch of college football fans excited because he played well in the championship game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000666358/article/first-look-scouting-clemson-qb-deshaun-watson

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000693254/article/ask-5-whats-best-nfl-comp-for-clemsons-deshaun-watson

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If one of these guys seems likely to become an All Pro passer down the road with some coaching, they could very well be worth it even if they don't play much their first year. Evaluators need to project what these guys are going to look like in their scheme, with some time and coaching, what they will be capable of in a year, three years, five years...etc. I think Trubisky, Watson, Kizer and Mahomes all can be successful given the right coaching and the right talent around them.

That could be true of anyone drafted in any round, It doesn't mean only the top 1st round qb's are capable of this. The key to the top 5 is that you're expecting a certain level of skill that will make the transition to NFL starter easy. If the objective is to sit the rookie for a season or more then draft someone with better value later and use that higher pick on someone that can provide an immediate impact.