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Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by Dakes44:
I do not see how you can discount those games though. It seems more excuses rather than comparative analysis. NFL teams play in pouring weather or harsh conditions all the time. Should we take those stats out to each week? I guess you forgot Miami vs Tennessee that week still was played and those stats never existed. The argument to take those stats out never happened. What you are basically saying that the niners draft Trubisky (I hope we do not), if they have to travel to the east coast for games in poor weather, which btw in the month of Dec or Jan (during playoffs) weather sucks, you will take those stats out because he played in less than ideal conditions? But then you make the claim that Boston College inflated Watsons stats? That seems totally fair.

I've never seen a game played in the ND NC State conditions in all my years of watching football. I imagine the conditions Trubisky played in at Virginia Tech were similar. It makes no sense to include a game like that which has no bearing on a player's ability to play at the next level. Sloppy/cold/snowy conditions are one thing. Playing in a hurricane is another. None of these QBs will have to play in those conditions again in the NFL and if im evaluating QBs, I don't care how they played in a hurricane. If they're consistently bad in rain/the cold, that's another story.

And I never made the claim that playing Boston College inflated Watson's stats. I just pointed out that one metric to measure defenses has a weakness (it doesn't consider strength of schedule) and that BC's defense is not that great in reality. It's still a lot better than some of the cupcakes Trubisky played this year.

I question this still. I see VaTechs Qb still threw 2 tds and 0 picks to Mitch's 0-2 Td-ints. The argument is made that he was forced to take chances with his team down, I get that. But the bottom line is he didnt protect the ball especially in horrible conditions when it is imparative to play field position, etc. Now on the contrary, if he would have played well or even had the VaTechs qb's number, you and many others would probably be touting his performance. Regardless you cannot control the conditions, you have to play with what is dealt; borderline monsoon, hurricane, freezing, blazing hot, or even sunny weather. Did they played the game from start to finish? Then sorry, it counts.
[ Edited by Dakes44 on Feb 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM ]
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Dakes44:
I do not see how you can discount those games though. It seems more excuses rather than comparative analysis. NFL teams play in pouring weather or harsh conditions all the time. Should we take those stats out to each week? I guess you forgot Miami vs Tennessee that week still was played and those stats never existed. The argument to take those stats out never happened. What you are basically saying that the niners draft Trubisky (I hope we do not), if they have to travel to the east coast for games in poor weather, which btw in the month of Dec or Jan (during playoffs) weather sucks, you will take those stats out because he played in less than ideal conditions? But then you make the claim that Boston College inflated Watsons stats? That seems totally fair.

Just a question, when is the last NFL game that you saw played in hurricane conditions? We aren't talking about run of the mill rain or downpours but playing in storm conditions that aren't applicable to over 99% of NFL games.

Carolina vs Jax 2011
Pitt vs Miami 2007

Usually the NFL relocates games that are forseen to be bad conditions but regardless the game was played.
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.

so garrett at 2 then?
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.

I pray to god Watson is the #1 pick. Myles Garrett welcome to San Francisco!!!
man I hope we take him at 2 (w/ garrett going 1)
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
man I hope we take him at 2 (w/ garrett going 1)

You must not like the niners.
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
man I hope we take him at 2 (w/ garrett going 1)

You must not like the niners.

You must not like the black Tim Tebow but with great mechanics.
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
man I hope we take him at 2 (w/ garrett going 1)

You must not like the niners.

You must not like the black Tim Tebow but with great mechanics.

Is that supposed to sell me on Watson? FWIW, I like Watson too, but you may need a better argument.
He is very similar to Tebow with his winner's intangibles and leadership skills, but he is obviously in a different stratosphere as a passer.
Even though I love what he did against Alabama in both games, especially on that stage, I'm not fully sold on him yet. If we happen to draft him at #2, I won't be upset and I'll give him a chance.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.

I pray to god Watson is the #1 pick. Myles Garrett welcome to San Francisco!!!

Kolohe, i posted way back when that Cleve saw Watson almost damn near beat the national Champions last yr(2015) and then DID beat them in a great game this yr(2016). I think after that game, Cleve almost had a heart attack and KNEW Watson was their guy. He has the "it " factor that has eluded them for so long. They HAVE to have him. It will shock the football world, but Cleve is taking Watson...and don't bother asking if they are interested in trade....did that last yr when they could have had Wentz. Not gonna make that mistake again .

Poor Watson, he becomes a Brown.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.

I pray to god Watson is the #1 pick. Myles Garrett welcome to San Francisco!!!

Kolohe, i posted way back when that Cleve saw Watson almost damn near beat the national Champions last yr(2015) and then DID beat them in a great game this yr(2016). I think after that game, Cleve almost had a heart attack and KNEW Watson was their guy. He has the "it " factor that has eluded them for so long. They HAVE to have him. It will shock the football world, but Cleve is taking Watson...and don't bother asking if they are interested in trade....did that last yr when they could have had Wentz. Not gonna make that mistake again .

Poor Watson, he becomes a Brown.

I really like Garrett, but is he a 4-3 DE? I would take him or Allen with the #2 pick if Watson isn't there.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think this guy will be the #1 pick in the draft.

I pray to god Watson is the #1 pick. Myles Garrett welcome to San Francisco!!!

I think best case for the 49ers is when Cleveland takes Garrett at 1. Then the 49ers can trade #2 to whoever wants Watson or another QB.
[ Edited by SoCold on Feb 17, 2017 at 12:20 PM ]
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
I really like Garrett, but is he a 4-3 DE? I would take him or Allen with the #2 pick if Watson isn't there.

Garrett is going to come in at 265+ more than enough at RE and has experience with his hand in the dirt. He would also make a perfect Sam LB.
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