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Originally posted by NYniner85:Wait is Brees coming coming to SF??? See the common theme here...FQB not RB.
They won the SB with an UDFA in Pierre Thomas who had 790 yards.
Thanks for proven our point
Originally posted by genus49:
You're taking away rushing yards along with attempts by eliminating the QB rushes. My point was not all the QB yards came from scrambles. We had plenty designed runs. You want to assume that if we take away Kap's yards they disappear and nobody else rushes the ball to count towards the rushing yards by RBs.
My point is that those rushes would go to Hyde or one of the other backs. I noticed you failed to address the fact that Hyde averaged .4 ypc better than David Johnson. Should Arizona be replacing Johnson too?
Let's be honest here. Hyde is a very good RB whose only issue is staying healthy. You want to spend #2 overall pick on a guy who got injured this past season in college and pretend he's going to be a durable stud for us for many years.
Shouldn't he be durable enough to not get injured in college to start at least? What gives you the confidence he's going to be the Brett Favre of RBs? Because if we're drafting him at #2 he damn well needs to be.
If you think he's not going to take a ton of low hits or punishment with his running style then you're high.
Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:I understand your insinuation, but what did the Texans do in the playoffs last year, with that #1 defense?
Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:Originally posted by NYniner85:Wait is Brees coming coming to SF??? See the common theme here...FQB not RB.
They won the SB with an UDFA in Pierre Thomas who had 790 yards.
Thanks for proven our point
Your sarcasm is bizzare, you know that was NOT my point illustrated. But whatever makes you sleep better at night
Originally posted by Lobo49er:We don't have to build a #1 defense. We need to build a not-32nd-ranked-defense-that-gives-up-300-yds-rushing-a-game.
Just because some of us want to spend 60-70% of our picks (including our first 3) on Defense doesn't mean we want to be the Houston Texans.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Clearly that wasn't your point...but the fact that they DIDN'T have a top end RB and won the SB proves my point.
You want a better offense, you need a FQB...there's not one worth the 2nd overall pick. We had a historically bad defense and there are blue chip prospects sitting there that will make a major impact.
This is about drafting a RB at two not drafting all defense...I'm cool with getting a balanced draft but I want more important roles taken at the top...like how most GMs draft. RB is not as important of a role in today's game and great talent can and has been found later in the draft for yrs (case in point the top 10 rushers this past season).
Originally posted by tjd808185:Technically they had Reggie Bush who was the 2nd pick in the draft on their side as well. Only 700 yards of combined offense that year but did have 3 touchdowns in the postseason which helped putting them over the hump. 1 a critical score in the Min nail biter.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:
People on here state/argue adding an elite offense player high via draft (Fournette) is asinine because of it's luxury and our actual needs....
I hear...."Brees and the Saints couldn't get over the hump and they had a power house offense with skilled players to match". But how about last year the Texans having the #1 Defense, how did that go for them in playoffs? Or how about when we had an elite roster on defense and we couldnt stop the Ravens in the superbowl?
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, if Fournette is the pick at #2, its for F-ing reason...Kyle is going to utilize him to the "T". Basically Fournette will be our Julio Jones, but instead of WR, running back edition as far as utilization and dominating a game goes.
Fournette may not be a natural at catching like Mccaffrey, but he will get the job DONE. The doubts some of you guys have with Fournette are so comical...."he can't plant and cut on a dime, so he's not a fit", "he cant catch" Oh plzWatch his proday and tell me if you doubters aren't overreacting about his catching abilities.
Fournette coming down hill on one of those zone strech runs......Get out the way!!!!
With an awful defense you arent winning a thing. I am far more confident in Hyde being a top flight RB than I am in Armstead, Mitchell and Smith suddenly turning into stud players.
On offense the biggest weaknesses are at QB and WR.
On defense weaknesses are everywhere. There isnt a single position that they cant get a lot better at. Buckner is the closest thing they have to a cornerstone player considering that Bowman is working his way back from an injury.
Originally posted by tjd808185:Technically they had Reggie Bush who was the 2nd pick in the draft on their side as well. Only 700 yards of combined offense that year but did have 3 touchdowns in the postseason which helped putting them over the hump. 1 a critical score in the Min nail biter.
Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:Originally posted by tjd808185:Technically they had Reggie Bush who was the 2nd pick in the draft on their side as well. Only 700 yards of combined offense that year but did have 3 touchdowns in the postseason which helped putting them over the hump. 1 a critical score in the Min nail biter.
FACTS OF LIFE...
Originally posted by Rascal:Just unbelievable.
Still complaining after totally monopolizing all the 1st round picks for 4 consecutive years on defense. LOL.
Plus all of those players are in fact still with the team as opposed to its offensive counterparts whereby the bulk of them have either already left the team or even the NFL entirely.
If you are saying the defense is that bad, fxxk imagine how much worse the offense is?!
The cupboard on the offensive side of the ball is totally barren. Tell me that is BS.
Only 1 trade-up to barely the end of the 1st round player left named Garnett who hasn't done jack. The rest of all the offensive draftees have been totally diabolical.
And even before the last 4 years, all we did was we drafted countless offensive busts like AJ Jenkins, LaMichael James, Colin Kaepernick, etc.
I am just gob-smacked that people can have the audacity to say defense is worse then offense. LOL.
Imagine if I were to flip this around and if it was the defense which hadn't taken a single 1st round pick 4 years in a row, I wonder what you would say then?! LOL.
Be reasonable, dude!!
Originally posted by Rascal:Just unbelievable.
Still complaining after totally monopolizing all the 1st round picks for 4 consecutive years on defense. LOL.
Plus all of those players are in fact still with the team as opposed to its offensive counterparts whereby the bulk of them have either already left the team or even the NFL entirely.
If you are saying the defense is that bad, fxxk imagine how much worse the offense is?!
The cupboard on the offensive side of the ball is totally barren. Tell me that is BS.
Only 1 trade-up to barely the end of the 1st round player left named Garnett who hasn't done jack. The rest of all the offensive draftees have been totally diabolical.
And even before the last 4 years, all we did was we drafted countless offensive busts like AJ Jenkins, LaMichael James, Colin Kaepernick, etc.
I am just gob-smacked that people can have the audacity to say defense is worse then offense. LOL.
Imagine if I were to flip this around and if it was the defense which hadn't taken a single 1st round pick 4 years in a row, I wonder what you would say then?! LOL.
Be reasonable, dude!!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah got outperformed by a UDFA and only 700 yards of total offense hahaha....soooo worth the 2nd overall pick
FYI Thomas had three TDs in the postseason as well....
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:Apparently we need to define what we mean by historically bad. By historically bad, we were in the record books. By historically bad, I gave advice to friends who played fantasy football to pick up a running back that was playing against the 49ers, no matter who the running back was. Guaranteed points. I don't think there is a single person that is saying pass on Leonard Fournette who believes we are ok at running back. We just know there is a high chance of getting a quality starter in later in the draft (say the 3rd or 4th round). This chance is higher than any other position. I really want to know what 4th round defensive lineman is going to provide what Solomon Thomas provides. I really want to know what 4th round safety will provide what Malik Hooker provides. What 4th round edge rusher will provide what Derek Barnett provides? Any combination of those guys on defense (all immediate starters) and a 3rd/4th round running back will trump any combination of Leonard Fournette and some 4th round defender.
Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:Originally posted by Lobo49er:We don't have to build a #1 defense. We need to build a not-32nd-ranked-defense-that-gives-up-300-yds-rushing-a-game.
Just because some of us want to spend 60-70% of our picks (including our first 3) on Defense doesn't mean we want to be the Houston Texans.
The way some of us see it is...we been having BORING PICKS on defense for last few yrs, which haven't exactly lived up to thier contribution ecpections YET...for the most part, whether it was the flawed scheme or coaching...
This year we have a NEW regime, a head coach which is masterful on offense.....alot of us want a sexy skiled pick, that we can tune in Sunday and watch him be utilized and dominating..We need something to be excited about, I think we deserve it, a Solomon Thomas just isnt going to bring us that joy...SORRY, SAD BUT TRUE
