RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

We don't need a top offense next year. We also are not going to rebuild this team in a single year. We spent the majority of our money in free agency on offense, which while bad, it wasn't the worse we have seen. The 2016 49ers defense is among the worse I've seen. It reminded me of our pass D from 1999. Now I am not saying that we should completely ignore the offense. I do want to add a second running back (4th round), a QB, and maybe a receiver. But honestly, I'd rather focus on adding some immediate (or soon to be) starters on defense, get our guys on offense acclimated to Kyle's system, and then add some elite rookies on the offensive side of the ball next year with our early picks.

And as for Chip Kelly's 49ers, the offense was ranked 27th in points and 31st in yards. We were 32nd in both categories on defense. The defense's level of suckage is a little higher lol.

We're not going to be good anyway you skin this but remember offense typically has a longer learning curve. If we miss out on KC and have to go to the draft that qb will most likely take 3 years, receivers typically take 2-3 years to hit their peak. Rb's are immediate but I hope we didn't bring in Shanny without the expectations of carrying Atl's offense with us. You don't get that with Hoyer throwing to Pierre Garcon, Aldon Robinson, Marquis Goodwin.

Bottom 5 offense with Chip Kelly. All Kelly defenses go 32nd no surprise there.

Different philosophies. No argument from me. I don't think going heavy offense is wrong, but if that is someone's method, we caneed get a lot more bang for our buck than drafting a plug and play position like running back at number 2 overall.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Very odd comparison. Not to mention Walker averaged less than 700 yards per season.

So yeah let's draft Fournette at #2 and hope he can get us that type of production for a cheap rookie contract...cheap rookie contract putting him top 5 at RB salaries.

Lol. I love how people keep bringing up that Hyde has one year left on his deal, insinuating that he would be expensive to resign but neglecting to mention that Fournette would be one of the better paid RBs in the NFL from Day 1 without having proven a thing.

I don't think people are Insinuating he would be expensive to sign. or at least not more so than a rookie at #2 overall. I think they are more wondering if it worth it to extend him after this year given his injury history and projection moving forward. This is a make or break season for Hyde as a 49er.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Very odd comparison. Not to mention Walker averaged less than 700 yards per season.

So yeah let's draft Fournette at #2 and hope he can get us that type of production for a cheap rookie contract...cheap rookie contract putting him top 5 at RB salaries.

Lol. I love how people keep bringing up that Hyde has one year left on his deal, insinuating that he would be expensive to resign but neglecting to mention that Fournette would be one of the better paid RBs in the NFL from Day 1 without having proven a thing.

I don't think people are Insinuating he would be expensive to sign. or at least not more so than a rookie at #2 overall. I think they are more wondering if it worth it to extend him after this year given his injury history and projection moving forward. This is a make or break season for Hyde as a 49er.

Yeah, Hyde needs to prove he is durable enough to warrant an extension.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, Hyde needs to prove he is durable enough to warrant an extension.

Every player is one bad hit from being out for the year.

Originally posted by Rascal:

And if you were to take away Kap's rushing yards, our total rushing yards would be reduced to 1,551 yards which would have ranked at a lowly 26th. Did you know that??!!

So, the conclusion in fact is our RB corps sucks!!!

Hopefully, that should settle it.

How can you take off Kap's running yards and then adjust our total without doing the same for the QB yards for EVERY TEAM and still call it a fair comparison?

TBH once you add Kap's and Gabbert's rushing yards together we probably would drop to around the 20+ mark, but to just go ahead and remove Kap's yards and no other QB while calling that a fair comparison really undermines any argument you make if you're not even willing to apply logic and basic research.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
How can you take off Kap's running yards and then adjust our total without doing the same for the QB yards for EVERY TEAM and still call it a fair comparison?

TBH once you add Kap's and Gabbert's rushing yards together we probably would drop to around the 20+ mark, but to just go ahead and remove Kap's yards and no other QB while calling that a fair comparison really undermines any argument you make if you're not even willing to apply logic and basic research.

Oh my goodness!!!

We are talking about RBs here and not rushing by QB.

And even if you want to cheat and add on Kap's rushing, the dude is gone, so who the hell is going to replace his yards which by the way came mostly from scrambles??!!

Brian Hoyer you say? Do you know how many yards did Hoyer rush for last year with the Bears? -2 yards!!

Good luck with that!

And let's face it, how many QBs rush that much may be apart from Tyrod Taylor? I could take out those QB rushing yards, but the truth is my educated guess is it wouldn't be far from 26th. Just use your common sense.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Oh my goodness!!!

We are talking about RBs here and not rushing by QB.

And even if you want to cheat and add on Kap's rushing, the dude is gone, so who the hell is going to replace his yards which by the way came mostly from scrambles??!!

Brian Hoyer you say? Do you know how many yards did Hoyer rush for last year with the Bears? -2 yards!!

Good luck with that!

Yes, but by removing Kap's rushing yards and saying we're now ranked 26th you've done so by allowing the other 25 teams ranked ahead of us to keep their QB yards. If it's to be a valid rank then you have to look at every teams RB yards alone and nothing else, you can't just remove our QB yards and let other teams keep their QB yards as part of their season total.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Yes, but by removing Kap's rushing yards and saying we're now ranked 26th you've done so by allowing the other 25 teams ranked ahead of us to keep their QB yards. If it's to be a valid rank then you have to look at every teams RB yards alone and nothing else, you can't just remove our QB yards and let other teams keep their QB yards as part of their season total.

OK, I just edited my post.

I could take out those QB rushing yards, but ask yourself how many QBs rush as much as Kap may be with the exception of Tyrod Taylor? My educated guess is it wouldn't be far from 26th. Just use your common sense.

Originally posted by Rascal:
OK, I just edited my post.

I could take out those QB rushing yards, but ask yourself how many QBs rush as much as Kap may be with the exception of Tyrod Taylor? My educated guess is it wouldn't be far from 26th. Just use your common sense.

I already said once you add Kap's and Gabbert's QB yards together and remove all QB yards from season totals we probably drop to 20+ so I'm not sure why you're telling me to use my common sense about something that I already stated is the likely outcome.

To me common sense would be to do your research before posting something as fact, but hey, that's just common sense right?

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
I already said once you add Kap's and Gabbert's QB yards together and remove all QB yards from season totals we probably drop to 20+ so I'm not sure why you're telling me to use my common sense about something that I already stated is the likely outcome.

To me common sense would be to do your research before posting something as fact, but hey, that's just common sense right?

The truth is once genus49 realized Kap in fact contributed as much as 468 of those rushing yards, he should have dropped his argument that the 9ers already has a top rushing unit being 4th in total yards and all.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
Pick Fournette and you basically get Hershel Walker for the best 5 years of his life on a cheaper rookie contract

I want what you are smoking. BTW how many lombardi trophies did Herschel win and carry his team to?

OK, I mis-remembered Hershel Walker, I thought he was better than that. I should have said you are getting a rich man's Hershel Walker or Jerome Bettis. But that is my point, I would NOT draft Fournette, but I would pick him over a DB. As I said before this is my list:

Best Options for the #2 pick:
1. Trade down for several picks = best option if offered a fair deal
2. Myles Garrett (if Browns take Trubisky)
3. Trubisky (all-pro QB potential)
4. Fournette (get a great RB for the best 5 years of his career)
4. Solomon Thomas (possible great Bryant young type DE)

WAR for a DB is not good, whereas WAR for a QB, RB and DE are higher than DB

I doubt many people would complain about a trade down and is the preference for a lot of us. 4 picks st a minimum in the top 70 would be nice to have.

Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:
OK, I mis-remembered Hershel Walker, I thought he was better than that. I should have said you are getting a rich man's Hershel Walker or Jerome Bettis. But that is my point, I would NOT draft Fournette, but I would pick him over a DB. As I said before this is my list:

Best Options for the #2 pick:
1. Trade down for several picks = best option if offered a fair deal
2. Myles Garrett (if Browns take Trubisky)
3. Trubisky (all-pro QB potential)
4. Fournette (get a great RB for the best 5 years of his career)
4. Solomon Thomas (possible great Bryant young type DE)

WAR for a DB is not good, whereas WAR for a QB, RB and DE are higher than DB

You would rather trade down than to take Myles Garrett?

For me, it is very simple as follows:

1) Trubisky at 2 (if he is Kyle's guy and since QB is the most important position strategically plus it will be nuts to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold in 2018)
2) Myles Garrett (if he is there at 2)
3) If not, Fournette at 2

No trading down whatsoever. I only want a tight nucleus of top quality max impact players to rebuild around.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:

Best Options for the #2 pick:
1. Trade down for several picks = best option if offered a fair deal
2. Myles Garrett (if Browns take Trubisky)
3. Trubisky (all-pro QB potential)
4. Fournette (get a great RB for the best 5 years of his career)
4. Solomon Thomas (possible great Bryant young type DE)

WAR for a DB is not good, whereas WAR for a QB, RB and DE are higher than DB

You would rather trade down than to take Myles Garrett?

For me, it is very simple as follows:

1) Trubisky at 2 (if he is Kyle's guy and since QB is the most important position strategically plus it will be nuts to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold in 2018)
2) Myles Garrett (if he is there at 2)
3) If not, Fournette at 2

No trading down whatsoever. I only want a tight nucleus of top quality max impact players to rebuild around.

But if Kyle thinks that Mahomes is equal to Trubisky, then perhaps you trade down and pick Mahomes plus get extra picks

And even if you removed the rushing yards from the QB, we still wouldn't have a historically bad rushing offense. As bad as we look on offense, don't question if our O-line can play at this level. I don't question if our starting TE can play at this level. I don't question if Carlos Hyde can play at this level. I don't question if Pierre Garcon can play at this level. The way some of you are talking, it's as if you expect the offense to be worse than the 27th/31st (pts/yards) ranking. We already get 8 in the box looks with Carlos Hyde. How much more is Fournette adding to the team? I swear I thought we might give up a 100 yard rusher to Alabama or Ohio State in 2016 the way were playing.