RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by Rascal:
That's the biggest crock of sh*t I have ever heard "historically bad defense"!! Fxxking cracks me up. That comment is so ridiculously biased is not even funny.

As if the 9ers didn't have a "historically bad offense".

I am sick and tired of all this BS.

Look, you all listen up, get this once and for all. The 9ers have gone defense in not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 fxxking years in a row with their 1st round picks alright!!!!!! Eric Reid, Jimmie Ward, Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner. You remember that right unless you have amnesia?!

And what have the 9ers drafted on offense in recent yeas that is any good?! Sweet FA that's what!! A 2nd rounder in Carlos Hyde who had only played 12 games out of 32 in the past 2 seasons and you want to call that a franchise back??!!

The ONLY 1st rounder on offense we have taken is Joshua Garnett and he hasn't exactly shown much.

As for the rest of the offensive drafts in the past 4 years have been total crap. And on top of that even before the last 4 years we had drafted total busts. Does the name AJ Jenkins ring a bell anyone?! Does the name LaMichael James ring a bell anyone?! Does the name Colin Kaepernick ring a bell anyone?!

So, don't give me this "historically bad defense" BS because that is 100% false. In fact, historically in recent years we have had better defense than offense. Even when we went to the Super Bowl in the 2012 season, as decent as that offense was, it was no comparison to the defense, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith just to name a few and we were the 3rd best defense that year!

Furthermore, not only Carlos Hyde is on contract year plus he is still recovering from MCL. And outside of Myles Garrett, Leonard Fournette is the only player who can give you that instantaneous impact and game-changing performance on the football field. Not to mention, even in a rebuild you still need to win a few games and without a half decent offense you can't even put points on the board.

Agreed overall on this but you can only select what's there and I'm not sure if LF is what you're envisioning too. LF is more of a hammer, control the clock and play great d kind of back. Jamal Lewis, Johnathon Stewart. We can get a wco back a little later that still enhances the offense.

Hilarious.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
So we actually didn't have a historically bad defense??

No, the answer is we had a historically bad team (on both sides of the ball), period!!

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Agreed overall on this but you can only select what's there and I'm not sure if LF is what you're envisioning too. LF is more of a hammer, control the clock and play great d kind of back. Jamal Lewis, Johnathon Stewart. We can get a wco back a little later that still enhances the offense.

I really don't understand why Fournette can't play in WCO? I really don't.

Why can't you have Fournette pound the ball and still have the QB and the WRs execute WCO plays?

I do not believe for a moment that a bruising power back and WCO are mutually exclusive.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Agreed overall on this but you can only select what's there and I'm not sure if LF is what you're envisioning too. LF is more of a hammer, control the clock and play great d kind of back. Jamal Lewis, Johnathon Stewart. We can get a wco back a little later that still enhances the offense.

I really don't understand why Fournette can't play in WCO? I really don't.

Why can't you have Fournette pound the ball and still have the QB and the WRs execute WCO plays?

I do not believe for a moment that a bruising power back and WCO are mutually exclusive.

Because we don't have a bruising power O line or a bruising power fullback lead blocker.

We're trying to have a shifting outside zone O-line and a pass catching OW fullback.

Originally posted by Jasta:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Agreed overall on this but you can only select what's there and I'm not sure if LF is what you're envisioning too. LF is more of a hammer, control the clock and play great d kind of back. Jamal Lewis, Johnathon Stewart. We can get a wco back a little later that still enhances the offense.

I really don't understand why Fournette can't play in WCO? I really don't.

Why can't you have Fournette pound the ball and still have the QB and the WRs execute WCO plays?

I do not believe for a moment that a bruising power back and WCO are mutually exclusive.

Because we don't have a bruising power O line or a bruising power fullback lead blocker.

We're trying to have a shifting outside zone O-line and a pass catching OW fullback.

Again, I don't believe Fournette cannot play in an Outside Zone Scheme.

Don't get hung up on the so-called "system fit", even Kyle said system fit is way overrated.

Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:

I have no idea who the 49ers will choose all I know is it wont be a qb . I think the 2nd pick will be one of 4 players if the browns select myles garrett it will be leonard fournette or malik hooker or Rueben foster or marshon Lattimore . I just get a little irritated when people say it would be a horrible pick to choose fournette and that he wont be a great player and that we don't need him because we have carlos hyde and its like who in the hell is carlos hyde he hasn't proved jack s**t to me . he cant stay healthy !

Carlos Hyde has proven a lot more than Fournette has in the NFL.

Fournette plays with a similar style so we're just going to assume he never gets hurt? He got hurt this year in college. Why do we assume he'll be impervious to injury?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Agreed overall on this but you can only select what's there and I'm not sure if LF is what you're envisioning too. LF is more of a hammer, control the clock and play great d kind of back. Jamal Lewis, Johnathon Stewart. We can get a wco back a little later that still enhances the offense.

THIS you mostly agree with lol?

So you guys want to pretend our defense wasn't atrocious last season and needs help all over?

And in a draft that's acclaimed for its defensive talent you want to go heavy on offense?

That makes sense to you?

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, the answer is we had a historically bad team (on both sides of the ball), period!!

Our defense was historically bad. Pretty sure we surrendered the most rushing yards in a game and set some other records nobody should be proud of.

Our offense was bad as well but our rushing attack despite a terrible passing attack and poor play from the OL was 4th in yards. That was the one bright spot on the team. So the fact that you want to improve that part with #2 overall kinda blows my mind.

Originally posted by genus49:

Our defense was historically bad. Pretty sure we surrendered the most rushing yards in a game and set some other records nobody should be proud of.

Our offense was bad as well but our rushing attack despite a terrible passing attack and poor play from the OL was 4th in yards. That was the one bright spot on the team. So the fact that you want to improve that part with #2 overall kinda blows my mind.

Sums it up nicely.

Our defense being historically bad was also partially due to injuries. Both linebackers were out most of the season. Armstead played with a torn shoulder all season. Ian Williams out.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:
I have no idea who the 49ers will choose all I know is it wont be a qb . I think the 2nd pick will be one of 4 players if the browns select myles garrett it will be leonard fournette or malik hooker or Rueben foster or marshon Lattimore . I just get a little irritated when people say it would be a horrible pick to choose fournette and that he wont be a great player and that we don't need him because we have carlos hyde and its like who in the hell is carlos hyde he hasn't proved jack s**t to me . he cant stay healthy !

Carlos Hyde has proven a lot more than Fournette has in the NFL.

Fournette plays with a similar style so we're just going to assume he never gets hurt? He got hurt this year in college. Why do we assume he'll be impervious to injury?

That is just BS. Fournette hasn't even played a down in the NFL. Going by that logic, you can say that about anyone in the draft. Why not say Carlos Hyde has proven a lot more than Myles Garrett has in the NFL then?! LOL.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, the answer is we had a historically bad team (on both sides of the ball), period!!

Our defense was historically bad. Pretty sure we surrendered the most rushing yards in a game and set some other records nobody should be proud of.

Our offense was bad as well but our rushing attack despite a terrible passing attack and poor play from the OL was 4th in yards. That was the one bright spot on the team. So the fact that you want to improve that part with #2 overall kinda blows my mind.

Hyde was 6th DYAR, 11th in ypa, and did this behind the 32nd ranked pass blocking line. He had gabbert and Kap as his qb and was in one of the most predicable offensive schemes...He was far from the issue lol.

For people to say that offense is a bigger issue then our historically bad defense is a damn joke.

Originally posted by Lurker:

Our defense being historically bad was also partially due to injuries. Both linebackers were out most of the season. Armstead played with a torn shoulder all season. Ian Williams out.

And what has AA or ray ray shown as far as being good starters in this league? Williams is always hurt who cares. FYI we were the 29th ranked rush D when Williams was playing in 2015.

So Hyde is injured but plays well when he's in so replace him...ray ray and AA are injuried and didn't do s**t when they did play so we are good to go there?

BS

Originally posted by Rascal:

That is just BS. Fournette hasn't even played a down in the NFL. Going by that logic, you can say that about anyone in the draft. Why not say Carlos Hyde has proven a lot more than Myles Garrett has in the NFL then?! LOL.

He has...we're not drafting Garrett(he won't be available) to replace him though are we?

You can think that's Bs but that's a fact. You want to upgrade the only good thing we had on the team last year and making an assumption this kid will be that much better and stay healthy himself when he couldn't stay healthy at LSU.

It's one thing if you're taking a guy high to improve an area thats weak. different situation to use #2 on an area of strength because you actually don't know whether he ends up being better.

If a guy drafted that high fails to live up to expectations it sucks either way but if you add him to a unit that's already playing well, pay him all that money and he may not even see the field to get better if he's not better than the existing guy then it sucks that much more.