RB Leonard Fournette

There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Originally posted by Rascal:

There we go, Kyle's best mate Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Yeah but he can't cut back that's the whole freaking point lol...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah but he can't cut back that's the whole freaking point lol...

Yes, he can.

Kyle's buddy doesn't seem to think is an issue at all, in fact he says that is precisely what Fournette is, press outside, cut back, run over the defender and beat him with outright speed.

Originally posted by Rascal:
There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah but he can't cut back that's the whole freaking point lol...

Yes, he can.

Kyle's buddy doesn't seem to think is an issue at all, in fact he says that is precisely what Fournette is, press outside, cut back, run over the defender and beat him with outright speed.

Well since it was you who posted McCaffery's weaknesses from the same site yesterday and assuming it proves one right then...

WEAKNESSES Doesn't make many defenders miss with open field shake. Aggressive, take-on style could lead to shortened career. Struggles to elude sudden traffic at line of scrimmage. Lacks looseness of hips to jump-cut from gap to gap. Struggled with a bad ankle for most of the season. Plays through a straw. Excitable runner in need of more patience. Too quick to hit the accelerator and slam into defenders when there are still cuts and yards left in the play. Runs to obvious daylight but needs to learn to anticipate and finesse the crease in traffic. Doesn't see cutback lanes developing as outside zone runner and prefers to keep runs play-side. Throws half-hearted, grazing shoulder as chip blocker. Pass protection and routes need extensive work.

And just because his buddy said it does not make it true.

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:

Originally posted by Rascal:
There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Been saying it for months now that the so-claimed system fit issue is complete BS.

Chris Simms knows what he is talking about, the guy played college ball with Kyle in Texas.

First of all, the notion of Fournette not being able to cut is bogus and even if you don't think highly of his cutting ability we are essentially talking about one main cut back in the Outisde Zone Scheme. It is not like we are asking him to cut a billion times per rush.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yeah but he can't cut back that's the whole freaking point lol...

Yes, he can.

Kyle's buddy doesn't seem to think is an issue at all, in fact he says that is precisely what Fournette is, press outside, cut back, run over the defender and beat him with outright speed.

Well Simms is a dummy then lol plain and simple. Go watch clips and read draft valuations...his weakness is cutting back,vision, a lack of being able to make something out of nothing....

"Doesn't see cutback lanes developing as outside zone runner and prefers to keep runs play-side."

"Most of his impressive runs on tape came from large holes created by his blockers with not enough examples of him creating on his own vs. the first wave of the defense."

"he is not the most agile back and will definitely struggle to make players miss at the first level or find cutbacks along the line of scrimmage. He also does not have great vision, which also hurts his ability to find alternate lanes as a runner."

Also imo LF doesn't have burst, he has 2nd gear speed. You've even posted the video of him running next to top end RBs (combine clips) and he doesn't start off quick, but picks up speed towards the end of the 40. He didn't do the broad jump , 3 cone, or 20 yard shuttle for a reason lol...his vert was down right awful and shows the lack of burst. There's a difference between burst and speed.

Freeman ran a 4.58 40 but killed the 20 yard shuttle he has burst and we've seen it with Kyle's scheme.

LF doesn't have the hips to make those pinpoint cutbacks either dude is stiff, he's a between the tackle power back. If he gets a full head of steam hell yeah he'll be hard to tackle cause that 2nd gear and size is crazy.

I'll take someone like cook/Kamara/Mixson in the 2nd, Mack/hunt in the 3rd-4th or jones in the later rounds of him at two plain and simple.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:

Originally posted by Rascal:

There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Been saying it for months now that the so-claimed system fit issue is complete BS.

Chris Simms knows what he is talking about, the guy played college ball with Kyle in Texas.

First of all, the notion of Fournette not being able to cut is bogus and even if you don't think highly of his cutting ability we are essentially talking about one main cut back in the Outisde Zone Scheme. It is not like we are asking him to cut a billion times per rush.

Hahahahahhaha chris Simms says something...like that even matters??? I'll stick to what I see and what most draft evaluators/scouts say when talking about his weaknesses.

Originally posted by evil:
Well since it was you who posted McCaffery's weaknesses from the same site yesterday and assuming it proves one right then...

WEAKNESSES Doesn't make many defenders miss with open field shake. Aggressive, take-on style could lead to shortened career. Struggles to elude sudden traffic at line of scrimmage. Lacks looseness of hips to jump-cut from gap to gap. Struggled with a bad ankle for most of the season. Plays through a straw. Excitable runner in need of more patience. Too quick to hit the accelerator and slam into defenders when there are still cuts and yards left in the play. Runs to obvious daylight but needs to learn to anticipate and finesse the crease in traffic. Doesn't see cutback lanes developing as outside zone runner and prefers to keep runs play-side. Throws half-hearted, grazing shoulder as chip blocker. Pass protection and routes need extensive work.

And just because his buddy said it does not make it true.

Well, let's see who is right then.

You forgot, Chris Simms is not just Kyle's buddy, he is also an analyst with Bleacher Report.

Plus even more importantly, not only did Chris Simms play college ball for Texas with Kyle, he was also an NFL QB for 7 years, so the chances are he probably knows a lot more about football than your average analyst out there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:

Originally posted by Rascal:
There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

Been saying it for months now that the so-claimed system fit issue is complete BS.

Chris Simms knows what he is talking about, the guy played college ball with Kyle in Texas.

First of all, the notion of Fournette not being able to cut is bogus and even if you don't think highly of his cutting ability we are essentially talking about one main cut back in the Outisde Zone Scheme. It is not like we are asking him to cut a billion times per rush.

Hahahahahhaha chris Simms says something...like that even matters??? I'll stick to what I see and what most draft evaluators/scouts say when talking about his weaknesses.

Do you even know who Chris Simms is?

Yes, he is Kyle's buddy, but he is a heck a lot more than that!

For starters, he is an analyst with Bleacher Report.

Not only did he play college ball for Texas with Kyle, the dude was an NFL QB for 7 years.

Yes, because of that he probably knows a lot more about football than your average analyst.

Originally posted by Rascal:
There we go, Kyle's best mate Chris Simms is saying how Leonard Fournette will be a perfect fit for Kyle's Outside Zone Scheme. So much for system fit issue hey?! LOL.

You do know that is meaningless right?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Psshh I'm taking cook at 34 over LF at 2 without question

More than one NFL front office person I've spoken to this week expects Dalvin Cook to slide out of 1st round, Joe Mixon to go ahead of him.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) April 13, 2017

There are some who believe that Cook is chronically breaking the law due to bad character and will be perpetually in trouble with the law once he stumbles into time and money, while Mixon is a good kid who made a few really bad errors. Add to the mix bad testing measureables and a high rate of fumbling, and you have a guy with the arrow pointing down. Don't be shocked to see Cook fall to the bottom of the second round or even into the third.

I just don't see any chance of Cook falling that far. Needless to say, if he's available at 34 I'm sprinting to the podium

Originally posted by Rascal:

Don't just go bargain hunting.

Cheap doesn't mean is good.

Cook is way overrated.

He has injury as well as off-the-field issues.

I get that you have an agenda here and your opinion is skewed but to say that "Cook is way overrated" is just not true. I can turn the table and say that LF is just as overrated in relation as to where you have to draft him.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Do you even know who Chris Simms is?

Yes, he is Kyle's buddy, but he is a heck a lot more than that!

For starters, he is an analyst with Bleacher Report.

Not only did he play college ball for Texas with Kyle, the dude was an NFL QB for 7 years.

Yes, because of that he probably knows a lot more about football than your average analyst.

Lol yea I know who the great chris Simms is...do you? Acting like he knows how to scout players. Please.

It's not avg analyst...it's every damn one that's been saying it!

I've given you a breakdown above on what LF can and can't do based on flim and what every analyst has said...chris Simms doesn't change that. I mean you want me to go find video clips of someone saying the opposite cause I can.

Where's the vision? Wheres the great cut back ability? I don't see burst and the combine numbers back it up...I see a second gear and a great speed/size combo.

He's not even close to the all around RB that zeke is. Elliot has vision,makes players miss, can cut back, can catch ball etc....

I'm done arguing with you, there's really no point. We will find out in a couple weeks. I hope we trade down

Originally posted by illinois9er:

I just don't see any chance of Cook falling that far. Needless to say, if he's available at 34 I'm sprinting to the podium

Agreed