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I'm undecided on this one.
Worst mock I've seen in years
Hell no
You didn't come away with one starter for this season

You reached on bell and a OT coming off a ACL.
Your scenario is confusing...are you saying Baalke would get the trading team's 1st, late 2nd and late 3rd rd picks? Most teams picking in the last half of the draft aren't that desperate, so I don't envision any GM making that deal. It's possible, I suppose, but not likely.

Baalke can do better with his 1st pick than Carl Davis...his work ethic is questionable at best. His play falls off markedly when he tires...NFL.com draft profiles sez he's a 2nd rd pick, largely because his production should be better. If Baalke wants a stud DL, he can stand pat and likely get either Eddie Goldman or Malcolm Brown, both of whom never take plays off and have non-stop motors. Getting one of those guys would arguably negate the need for another NT, as well.

Rest of your picks aren't bad, really. I like most of 'em. WRT the TE pick, don't be surprised if Baalke grabs Clive Walford early...he's one of the best playmaking TE's in this draft...and having the speed at WR now to stretch the defense, the middle should be a hey-day for TE's and Boldin.
Originally posted by Tslope90:
Worst mock I've seen in years

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Thank god it's your last one.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Thank god it's your last one.

After drafting Ogbuehi and Owamagbe you think Obi-Wan Kenobe will still be on the board?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You didn't come away with one starter for this season

You reached on bell and a OT coming off a ACL.
I'm picking Bell with a compensatery 4th-rounder. He is viewed by CBS and NFL.com as 5th-rounder though 5th-round can mean anything. Not a huge reach, if you ask me.

As for Ogbuehi:
last year the Patriots picked DE Easley with their first-rounder in despite of his (second?) ACL injury. We picked Tank Carradine a couple of years ago at the top of the 2nd-round although his ACL was torn (was a first-round prospect).
Now, Ogbuehi is falling only due to his ACL tear and some questions about his ability playing at LT in the NFL but nobody questions his ability to be a good Guard and RT at all. If you don't believe me, just spend a look at OTC's opinion or that of some draft pages like the NFL.com who thinks that he could be drafted in round 1 or 2.

Not a single day one starter? Sorry but this is not what one should expect, at least not from round 3 and lower. You can count yourself VERY lucky if you get an immediate starter on day 3 or even day 2.
[ Edited by communist on Apr 21, 2015 at 3:48 AM ]
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Your scenario is confusing...are you saying Baalke would get the trading team's 1st, late 2nd and late 3rd rd picks? Most teams picking in the last half of the draft aren't that desperate, so I don't envision any GM making that deal. It's possible, I suppose, but not likely.

Baalke can do better with his 1st pick than Carl Davis...his work ethic is questionable at best. His play falls off markedly when he tires...NFL.com draft profiles sez he's a 2nd rd pick, largely because his production should be better. If Baalke wants a stud DL, he can stand pat and likely get either Eddie Goldman or Malcolm Brown, both of whom never take plays off and have non-stop motors. Getting one of those guys would arguably negate the need for another NT, as well.

Rest of your picks aren't bad, really. I like most of 'em. WRT the TE pick, don't be surprised if Baalke grabs Clive Walford early...he's one of the best playmaking TE's in this draft...and having the speed at WR now to stretch the defense, the middle should be a hey-day for TE's and Boldin.
We trade down to a low first-rounder and get a 2nd-round and a 3rd-round pick respectively. Both of these picks are used to jump within round 2 to get Ogbuehi.
I know that good usually aren't that desperate but the Niners jumped for Reid as well. But ovr I agree with you, possible but unprobable.

You are right about Davis on this one. I thought about going for him in round and pick someone else with the first-rounder. But my personal problem is that someone could take the risk and sneak into round 1 in order to pick him there.
A lot of things are questionable but I think that we have got a year to develop him as a football player and as a human and I would risk it.
I ignore Brown because he is short-armed And I think that thx to this fact, he could be limited to NT in our system.
Goldman I've picked in my very first mock but back then I thought that he is a perfect 5tech. Of course, he can play this position as well but I think that he has to lose some weight. I'd rather let him play at NT but this position is not in question that much for now.
As for the NT-need: we still have Ian Williams who played good IF he was able to play Thus, I didn't want to go after a NT early.

TE Walford I wanted to pick in my last draft (perhaps I have even picked him). I also thought about picking him with our original 2nd-rounder because I don't expect OO to fall that far
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
more details please Otherwise, I assume that you are like "you haven't picked my fav player so that I hate your mock"-posters.
Iirc, you are usually way more than that.
[ Edited by communist on Apr 21, 2015 at 4:14 AM ]
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You didn't come away with one starter for this season

You reached on bell and a OT coming off a ACL.
I'm picking Bell with a compensatery 4th-rounder. He is viewed by CBS and NFL.com as 5th-rounder though 5th-round can mean anything. Not a huge reach, if you ask me.

As for Ogbuehi:
last year the Patriots picked DE Easley with their first-rounder in despite of his (second?) ACL injury. We picked Tank Carradine a couple of years ago at the top of the 2nd-round although his ACL was torn (was a first-round prospect).
Now, Ogbuehi is falling only due to his ACL tear and some questions about his ability playing at LT in the NFL but nobody questions his ability to be a good Guard and RT at all. If you don't believe me, just spend a look at OTC's opinion or that of some draft pages like the NFL.com who thinks that he could be drafted in round 1 or 2.

Not a single day one starter? Sorry but this is not what one should expect, at least not from round 3 and lower. You can count yourself VERY lucky if you get an immediate starter on day 3 or even day 2.

Bell is a very very unpolished TE and will not be active on Sundays, which is a waste IMO. He will not be starting over Davis,McDonald or Carrier (who they just extended). So what do they do, leave him on the practice squad? Not a place you want a 4th round pick at.

Yeah Easley looked like a great 1st round pick for NE...he didn't play a ton, but when he did it was bad (-4.6 overall score from PFF). Tank is going into his 3 yr year and has yet to cement his spot on the team. I have high hopes for him, but you shouldn't have to wait 3 seasons to see what you're 2nd round talent can do.

If Ogbuehi is there in the 3rd round (where I've seen him projected for a while) then maybe I'd take a chance on another ACL O-lineman. He wasn't great in pass-protection (was one of the leaders in sacks allowed in the SEC in 2014). I'd rather use a 2nd on a player that WILL be playing on Sundays in 2014.

Also why is everyone so high on Conley? Did you watch any of his games before the combine? I didn't see any of the athletic ability on the football field (specially with a DB on him) and that's one of the reasons everyone was blown away with his combine because he didn't show any of that on the field.

you must have misunderstood my comment about no starters...you're first 3 picks generated zero starters.

I like the trade down but not one ILB? The zone will go insane if we come away with no ILBers in the draft.
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