My Baalke-esque and Final Mock Plan

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

I like the Peters pick...agree, he'd bring not only ball skills, but an attitude to our secondary. But, he wouldn't be my first pick...that'd be Eddie Goldman, an absolute beastly DL. He's not only huge, extremely strong, but has surprising quickness. Unlike Davis, Eddie takes no plays off and has a terrific work ethic. He could start right away, too...because he played not only DT at FSU, but DE, too. He's too awesome to pass up. He's a guy who can tie up two OL on virtually every snap...and wear them down. I don't see Davis doing that.

I get Lockett has the speed...but other than Boldin, all our WR's have it, or something close to it. I'd rather see Baalke draft a WR with size...Crabtree's gone and Boldin may well be in 2016, too. Hunter's back now...and will be one of our KR's, too.

Taiwan Jones and RB Allen are fine picks.

I don't see a TE...with Vernon likely in his last year as a Niner and very little TE receiving talent (save maybe Carrier) behind him, I think Baalke has to draft at least one. Would love to see him pick Clive Walford, one of the top playmaking TE's in this draft.

We'd agree to disagree for CB vs. DL in the 1st round. I like Eddie Goldman as well - had him in a previous mock. He'd be a DE/NT hybrid in our team and can provide immediate value. But I look at the quality of our DL (Dorsey, Dockett, Carradine, Dial, TJE, Williams) and the quality of our CB (Brock - healthy?, Wright - scheme fit?, Ward - foot?, D. Johnson - experience?) and feel the need is bigger there.

Understand the POV on speed at WR - Torrey Smith is our speed guy, but you put in two speed guys, and you open the middle for Boldin, McDonald, Patton, etc. And we goth Smelter who could see some field action in 2015 if he gets healthy. I'd have no hesitation cutting Simpson once Smelter is healthy.

Ah yes the TE question. Davis, McDonald, Celek, Carrier, Cleveland, and Grimble are currently signed to the roster with Millard potentially at play for a roster spot. It's crowded. Baalke has faith that Davis will bounce back, McDonald will finally show promise, and Carrier will continue his development.

not bad

i don't think Baalke trades this year imo

too many holes on the roster. Past few years its always been we've had more talent and not enough roster spaces.

This years is the exact opposite.

I think Marcus Peters is gonna be a stud, I like Tyler Lockett but think his skill-set is redundant to Ellington...

Think Taiwan Jones fits our scheme perfectly, and Smelter is my sleeper WR pick.

Besides not having my 2 draft crushes, this is a draft I'd be pleased with.

Originally posted by GEEK:
We'd agree to disagree for CB vs. DL in the 1st round. I like Eddie Goldman as well - had him in a previous mock. He'd be a DE/NT hybrid in our team and can provide immediate value. But I look at the quality of our DL (Dorsey, Dockett, Carradine, Dial, TJE, Williams) and the quality of our CB (Brock - healthy?, Wright - scheme fit?, Ward - foot?, D. Johnson - experience?) and feel the need is bigger there.

Understand the POV on speed at WR - Torrey Smith is our speed guy, but you put in two speed guys, and you open the middle for Boldin, McDonald, Patton, etc. And we goth Smelter who could see some field action in 2015 if he gets healthy. I'd have no hesitation cutting Simpson once Smelter is healthy.

Ah yes the TE question. Davis, McDonald, Celek, Carrier, Cleveland, and Grimble are currently signed to the roster with Millard potentially at play for a roster spot. It's crowded. Baalke has faith that Davis will bounce back, McDonald will finally show promise, and Carrier will continue his development.

Dude... I agree with you to a T on Goldman, and the DL. It's like people pretend that we didn't sign Dockett, J. Smith still might be back, and that we haven't been grooming talented players like Carradine and Q. Diol- who I think will ultimately be a better NT than Dorsey and Williams.

And agree 110% on Eddie Goldman- nothing against the player, but he is exactly what you said, a NT/DE hybrid, and a player that is more of a plugger.

If I am spending a Top 15 pick on a 5-technique, I want him to be disruptive against the pass, and the 3-4 DE's that are disruptive vs the pass are tall and long. Goldman is more of a widebody.

Also not worried about TE position at all. First off, it's a crap year for TE's, second... Vernon Davis' physical ability didn't magically fall of a cliff, he was playing through a back injury all year long, as well as playing with a QB who had no time to throw in a dysfuntional passing game. I'm frustrated with Vance Mac tremendously, but I'm not counting him out. Excellent athlete and smooth mover for his size, it's just about his hands catching up to his physical ability.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Dude... I agree with you to a T on Goldman, and the DL. It's like people pretend that we didn't sign Dockett, J. Smith still might be back, and that we haven't been grooming talented players like Carradine and Q. Diol- who I think will ultimately be a better NT than Dorsey and Williams.

And agree 110% on Eddie Goldman- nothing against the player, but he is exactly what you said, a NT/DE hybrid, and a player that is more of a plugger.

If I am spending a Top 15 pick on a 5-technique, I want him to be disruptive against the pass, and the 3-4 DE's that are disruptive vs the pass are tall and long. Goldman is more of a widebody.

Also not worried about TE position at all. First off, it's a crap year for TE's, second... Vernon Davis' physical ability didn't magically fall of a cliff, he was playing through a back injury all year long, as well as playing with a QB who had no time to throw in a dysfuntional passing game. I'm frustrated with Vance Mac tremendously, but I'm not counting him out. Excellent athlete and smooth mover for his size, it's just about his hands catching up to his physical ability.

I totally agree with you

If we are rolling with a DT in the top 15 he'd better be able to get into the backfield at some point. Goldman doesn't offer any pass rush what's so ever. Williams actually graded out very well in PFF. I think Dial is a better DE then NT.

This is a horrible TE draft class and any other year Maxx isn't a 1st round pick. Teams will reach for TEs and I hope we aren't one.

I feel the same way about Vance he has some crazy athletic ability and has improved a lot on blocking. I think it's more mental for him and gaining the trust of Kap and the coaching staff. I still think he can be a good TE, VD wasn't too hot his 1st couple years and he didn't have a stud in front of him taking snap like Vance has.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by GEEK:

We'd agree to disagree for CB vs. DL in the 1st round. I like Eddie Goldman as well - had him in a previous mock. He'd be a DE/NT hybrid in our team and can provide immediate value. But I look at the quality of our DL (Dorsey, Dockett, Carradine, Dial, TJE, Williams) and the quality of our CB (Brock - healthy?, Wright - scheme fit?, Ward - foot?, D. Johnson - experience?) and feel the need is bigger there.

Understand the POV on speed at WR - Torrey Smith is our speed guy, but you put in two speed guys, and you open the middle for Boldin, McDonald, Patton, etc. And we goth Smelter who could see some field action in 2015 if he gets healthy. I'd have no hesitation cutting Simpson once Smelter is healthy.

Ah yes the TE question. Davis, McDonald, Celek, Carrier, Cleveland, and Grimble are currently signed to the roster with Millard potentially at play for a roster spot. It's crowded. Baalke has faith that Davis will bounce back, McDonald will finally show promise, and Carrier will continue his development.

Dude... I agree with you to a T on Goldman, and the DL. It's like people pretend that we didn't sign Dockett, J. Smith still might be back, and that we haven't been grooming talented players like Carradine and Q. Diol- who I think will ultimately be a better NT than Dorsey and Williams.

And agree 110% on Eddie Goldman- nothing against the player, but he is exactly what you said, a NT/DE hybrid, and a player that is more of a plugger.

If I am spending a Top 15 pick on a 5-technique, I want him to be disruptive against the pass, and the 3-4 DE's that are disruptive vs the pass are tall and long. Goldman is more of a widebody.

Also not worried about TE position at all. First off, it's a crap year for TE's, second... Vernon Davis' physical ability didn't magically fall of a cliff, he was playing through a back injury all year long, as well as playing with a QB who had no time to throw in a dysfuntional passing game. I'm frustrated with Vance Mac tremendously, but I'm not counting him out. Excellent athlete and smooth mover for his size, it's just about his hands catching up to his physical ability.

You got it!

Not a bad mock