Travisty13's 2015 Mock Draft #1 | Page 3

Travisty13 · 2015-03-28T18:53:03-07:00

First off, I don't ever do trades in my mocks. They're to inconsistent and just not likely to be able to predict. Seconly, I don't except us to draft a WR very early. While I think we should, just don't believe Baalke will. And third, you're going to hate my mock draft (it won't have the normal webzone favorites), which will make is similar to a normal Baalke draft. 1. Owamagbe Odighizuwa - UCLA - LB/DE - 6'3''/267 lbs, 4.62 40, 39'' Vertical, 10'7'' Broad Jump - And the webzone explodes. "He's a reach", "we should have traded back", "but there was [insert player name] still on the board", "fire Baalke". Baalke doesn't care. Picks a freak athlete, that he'll have add some bulk and put at DE in the 3-4 to be the bookend to Tank Carradine on the other side. As long as medicals check out, which I believe will, him and Tank will make a nice pair for a long while. STRENGTHS: Provides consistent disruption from right defensive end position. Scouts love pass rushers with long arms and the 6-foot-3, 270-pound Odighizuwa has that trait, despite limited sack numbers. Combination of burst and power to beat tackles to the outside, and has shown good balance and agility to spin back inside. In the Bruins' versatile 3-4 base defense, his main responsibility is to seal the edge and play the run, using his length and power to occupy blockers to help plug run lanes and give the other rushers a chance to disrupt the pocket. On some passing downs, Odighizuwa does stand up as an edge rusher and has a chance to show off his skill-set as a pass rush threat, using his natural bend and athleticism to beat blockers in space. Can beat tackles inside with good initial quickness and a powerful bull rush. When moving inside, quickly slips past guards to pressure the backfield. WEAKNESSES: Two surgeries on his hip that required sitting out the 2013 season will require thorough medical checks. Pass rush arsenal is still a work in progress. Lacks the explosive burst off the edge or nifty change of direction expected of a first-round pick. PLAYER OVERVIEW Odighizuwa (Oh-DIGGY-zoo-wuh) the entire 2013 season after two separate surgeries on his left hip but returned in 2014 to play a versatile role on the edge of the Bruins' 3-4 defense. Odighizuwa doesn't have impressive numbers, but the tape tells a different story. His active hands are always working and his versatility to rush or play the run will be attractive. His position and scheme versatility could land Odighizuwa a spot within the first 64 picks of the 2015 draft, and certainly qualifies him as one of the feel-good stories of the year. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737142/owamagbe-odighizuwa 2. Ali Marpet - Hobart - OG - 6'4''/307 lbs, 4.92 40, 30 reps in the bench, 9'0'' broad, 30 1/2'' vertical - a guard to replace Iupati leaving.Will be a competition between him and Thomas and Looney and possibly Martin (if he's not at Center) to start at LG. Played against lower competition which will be a knock, but didn't give up a sack at all in 2014, so he's at least dominating his competition which is all you can ask for. Nice movement skills, with very good technique. Could play some RT in a pinch. Some will view this as a little early for him, but I believe he'll go sooner than most anticipate. STRENGTHS: Compact build with a solid base to anchor and dig his cleats in the ground. Mechanically sound upper and lower halves, keeping his movements in clean unison. Nice job staying square with knee bend and coordination to latch-and-drive, keeping his feet moving to get push. Keeps his elbows in with active hands to control defenders. Understands leverage and blocking angles. Enough flexibility in his joints and plays with hip snap at the point of attack. Sets up quickly with adequate quickness in his kickslide with balanced lateral movements and body control to get away with lean. Quick thinker with reflex adjustors to counter rush moves, showing the reaction time to cut off inside moves. Nice job on combo blocks to engage at the point, but uses his eyes to seek out his next victim. Comfortable in his own skin with a high football IQ and smarts off the field. 110-percenter with NFL toughness and play speed. Two-time team captain with several accolades at the D-III level. Durable. Finished his career with 37 straight starts at left tackle. Strong work ethic with self-motivating habits and an unassuming personality. WEAKNESSES: Shorter-than-ideal arm length for the edges and lacks an engulfing wingspan. Has some bad weight in his midsection and has room to get stronger and add bulk. Narrow base and lacks a wide kickslide to routinely reach the corner vs. NFL speed rushers. Overaggressive and will get his shoulders extended past his feet. Got away with some bad habits at the Division-III level that won't work in the NFL, allowing rushers to initiate contact and lowering his eye level when finishing off blocks. Doesn't have much experience inside at center or guard, his likely positions at the next level. All of his college experience is against a lower level of competition. PLAYER OVERVIEW A three-year All-Conference and two-time Division-III All-American performer, Marpet dominated competition at that level and didn't waste anyone's time at the Senior Bowl, performing well against the nation's top senior prospects (first Hobart player invited to Mobile and will likely be the first Hobart football selected in the NFL Draft). He doesn't stand out physically, but he is always under control with core strength and coordination. The hungry man from Hobart, Marpet is a tenacious technician, who eats glass for breakfast and gets his money's worth on each snap. A competitive overachiever with zero passiveness to his game, Marpet has the next level intangibles and skill-set to start in the NFL for a long time, ideally suited inside at either guard or center as a bargain brand version of Cowboys' Zach Martin. Lightly recruited as a prep player, Alexander "Ali" Marpet was 230 pounds as a senior in high school and received moderate interest from a few FCS programs, but ended up at Division-III Hobart. After seeing part-time duty as a true freshman, Marpet won the starting left tackle job as a sophomore and started every game, earning First Team All-Liberty honors. He started all 11 games in 2013 as a junior left tackle and was awarded First Team All-Conference and All-American honors. Marpet again started all 13 games as a senior in 2014 and didn't allow a sack, becoming the first lineman in Liberty League history to earn a share of the Offensive Player of the Year award, also earning First Team All-Conference and All-American honors http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2169061/ali-marpet 3. Tyler Lockett - Kansas St. - WR - 5'10''/182 lbs, 4.4 40, 35 1/2'' Vertical, 10'1'' Broad Jump - For those that want Dorsett in the 2nd, this is pretty much the same guy a round later, with the added bonus of being probably the best return man in the draft. Holds 17 school records. Quick, slot guy that can get deep. He reminds me a lot of T.Y. Hilton. He needs to work on drops/fumbles, but anytime he gets the ball, he has a chance to score. Great character guy too. One of the top route runners in the draft. Great bloodlines. STRENGTHS: Runs like the wind with speed to stretch the field and get behind the secondary on vertical patterns. Sudden, decisive footwork off the snap and in his breaks to sell routes and attract holding penalties. Dynamic and deliberate route runner. Doesn't slow down in his cuts, showing sharp burst to create space. Deadly stop-and-go and double moves with a strong understanding of how to separate in his routes. Slippery as a ballcarrier with excellent start/stop quickness, changing gears well with his spatial awareness and vision. Instinctive and decisive returner. Tracks and adjusts well, confidently attacking the ball with his hands. Terrific sideline awareness to toe tap with coordination while finishing. Scrappy and not afraid to get physical in tight coverage, using his hands to create room to work. Experienced lining up inside and outside, starting 42 games in college. Extensive experience as a return man at Kansas State with a school-record 2,196 career kick return yards (28.5 average) and four touchdowns and 488 career punt return yards (15.2) and two scores. Holds 17 school records, including breaking his father's career marks for catches (249), receiving yards (3,710) and touchdown receptions (29). Two-year team captain with strong football character and instilled competitive drive. Football bloodlines as his father (Kevin) and uncle (Aaron) both played wide receiver for Bill Snyder at Kansas State in the mid-1990s' Kevin was a second rounder (47th overall) in the 1997 NFL Draft and played seven seasons in the NFL. WEAKNESSES: Shorter-than-ideal and thin-framed with very little muscle mass or room to bulk up. Short arms and small hands with a marginal catching radius. Will fight the ball at times with a bad habit of running before securing, leading to drops. Not a reliable plucker away from his body. Light and can be knocked off his route easily, struggling to win in contested situations despite his high competitive nature. Was rarely engaged by Big 12 defenders before he touched the ball and has never been challenged by press coverage. Goes down too easily with arm and fingertip tackles and won't pick up yardage after contact with virtually no power to his game as a ballcarrier. Limited as perimeter blocker. Room to improve his ball security with six fumbles on his resume. Frail-looking frame leads to durability concerns and was banged up at times in college, including a lacerated kidney (Nov. 2011) and a nagging hamstring issue that plagued him throughout 2014. PLAYER OVERVIEW The Wildcats' first four-time All-American and all-time leading receiver, Lockett broke all of his father's receiving records at Kansas State and is hoping to be drafted ahead his draft slot as well (47th overall pick in the 1997 NFL Draft). Lockett is lighting fast with or without the ball and can take the top off a defense and be a dangerous threat as a return man. He is more than just speed and quickness with the precise routes and savvy ability after the catch to be effective and make-up for his lack of size. Lockett is praised by Kansas State coaches for his practice habits and constant commitment to improve, but his limited size dimensions, inconsistent ballskills and smallish catching radius raises questions about his NFL future ? considered a poor man?s T.Y. Hilton by some scouts, his best fit is likely as a slot receiver and day one return man on special teams. Lockett held offers from Kansas and Kansas State out of high school, deciding to follow in his father's footsteps by enrolling in Manhattan. He made an immediate impact as true freshman with a pair of kick return touchdowns, also seeing playing time on offense with 18 receptions, earning All-American honors as a return specialist. Lockett became a full-time starting receiver in 2011 as a sophomore and finished second on the team with 44 catches for 687 yards and four scores, adding two kick return touchdowns and earning All-Big 12 Honorable Mention honors. He led the Wildcats in receiving as a junior in 2013 with 81 catches for 1,262 yards and 11 scores and was named the Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Year, also earning First Team All-Big 12 honors on offense. Lockett started all 13 games in 2014 as a senior and became the 11th consensus All-American in school history with 106 receptions for 1,515 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns, earning First Team All-Big 12 honors as a receiver and return man. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1860834/tyler-lockett 4. Zack Hodges - Harvard - DE/OLB/ILB - 6'3''/250 lbs, 4.68 40, 33.5 Vertical, 10'5'' Broad Jump - Lined up all over for Harvard's defense, but Baalke makes him an ILB. Has a relentless motor. Smart kid (double major in Government and Philosophy) who will be able to learn behind Bowman and Wilhoite this year and take over for Wilhoite next year.But this year can line up anywhere for us in nickle or if we go to a 4-3 on certain plays. Needs to add bulk. His story is unreal: Lost his father at 6, him and his mom were homeless at times, his mom died at 16, still makes into Harvard and excels there. STRENGTHS: Lines up all over the defensive line for Harvard, inside and outside, and also stands up to drop and play on his feet. Hodges has an excellent first step with instant acceleration and nonstop momentum towards the ball, taking sharp angles with perceptive vision. He plays with low pad level and natural leverage to power through the line of scrimmage while staying balanced through contact. Motor is much more of a positive than a negative, using his relentless mentality and active playing style to only be blocked for so long. WEAKNESSES: Lean-limbed frame, lacking ideal bulk. Hodges tends to be overaggressive and needs to control his energy to consistently break down and not wear himself out. Like most college rushers, he has room to improve his hand use and pass rush repertoire, but Hodges is still in the learning stages of his development and has a long ways to go before hitting his ceiling. Admits he needs to work on defeating double teams and chips. PLAYER OVERVIEW Hodges, who became a starter for the Crimson as a sophomore in 2012, has had a productive collegiate career. He was an FCS All-American last season and earned the 2013 Ivy League Defensive Player of the Year honors. A double major in government and philosophy, Hodges admitted it "really sucks" trying to balance the demands of both school and football. "In the long run it will pay off," he told NFLDraftScout.com. "You realize you're not smart as you think you are. Not as talented as you think you are. It teaches you that you really need to work for what you want. Everyone is hard working, down to earth. I appreciate those values here." Hodges lost his mother when he was 16, and moved from North Carolina to Atlanta to help his family. Harvard was one of the first schools to pursue him as a high school junior, and ended up being Hodges' final campus visit. He went to a baording school to improve his grades and said it "exposed me to another life. Provided me with a duality that I'm thankful for." Hodges has played inside and outside linebacker for Harvard, and insists he does not have a preference. "Just put me on the field and tell me what you want me to do," he said. "The NFL is an interest. Being able to play at the highest level is definitely an interest. "But honestly, with the experiences I've had in my life, I know nothing is promised. I've woken up in a totally different world from when I went to bed the night before, my entire life was upside down. I just try and focus on today and I can focus on tomorrow when it comes. Hodges needs to continue and add bulk and get stronger to better shed at the point of attack, but he understands how to generate power using leverage and lower body momentum in his rushes. Harvard has been fielding a football team for almost 150 years, but has only produced 20 NFL draft picks in school history. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851481/zach-hodges 4. Tony Lippett - Michigan St. - WR - 6'2''/192 lbs, 4.61 40, 36'' Vertical, 9'6'' Broad Jump - Meet our new Cornerback. While he think he would be an alright WR, I think he'll make a better CB with time. Started first 5 games in 2011 at CB, before moving back to WR, then started the the last 3 games at MSU at WR/CB. In the 3 games at CB, he was targeted 8 times, had 3 PBU, and only gave up 13 yards. He wouldn't have to start for us his first year, which would give him time to learn CB fully. In the video I post, look at: 2:57, 3:12, 3:30, 4:09 to see him playing D/ST. 5. Ryan Russell - Purdue - DE/OLB - 6'4''/269 lbs, 4.75 40, 25 reps in the bench, 32 1/2'' Vertical, 9'11'' Broad Jump - Will play OLB. Will learn to play behind Brooks, Aldon, and Lynch. Takes over Skuta's role. Has all the physical tools (long armed, good speed, well put together) to be a menace, but played out of position at Purdue so production was never there. STRENGTHS Looks the part. Long-armed with angular body. Takes wide, quick steps and can be difficult for tackles to handle when stunting. Quick feet with long steps to close on quarterback quickly in "T/E" twists. Flexible upper body. Very good change of direction to harass boot-action pass plays. Flashes a quick first step. Has adequate power at the point of attack. Still very raw with traits to potentially mold. WEAKNESSES Plays with a narrow base and loses balance. Has traits to get into linemen first, but doesn't bring anything in his hands to jar them. Raw pass rusher. Doesn't seem to have a plan and loses interest when stymied. Completely dominated by Wisconsin right tackle Rob Havenstein. Evaluators have expressed concern about competitive toughness. Content to stay blocked and doesn't fight to improve position. Out of position to finish tackles and misses more than he should. BOTTOM LINE Russell will frustrate NFL teams because he has many of the physical traits they covet, but he doesn't do enough with them. With just 8.5 sacks over the last three years, his production won't interest most teams, but his potential might. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ryan-russell?id=2552277 "Russell has the look of a NFL player with intriguing next level potential, but up to this point the consistency hasn't been there. The switch to the 3-4 base defense last year didn't do him any favors as he finished his junior season with only two sacks, giving him seven sacks in his career over 35 starts" http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1754396/ryan-russell 6. Deontay Greenberry - Houston - WR - 6'2 1/2''/211 lbs, 4.52 40, 35 1/2'' Vertical, 9'8'' Broad Jump, 21 reps of 225 - Combine snub. Was a top 10 WR coming out of HS. Should have gone back for his Sr. year, but has a ton of potential. Before the start of his Jr. year, was considered a earlier round pick. Had a disappointing Jr year though. Soph. stats: 82 catches,1202 yards,11 TDs. Do to poor QB play, his stats dropped as a Jr.: 72 catches 841 yards, 6 TDs. Would be the perfect guy to study under Boldin. STRENGTHS Has excellent size and overall length. Played outside and from slot. Shows some acceleration at top of post routes to gain moderate separation. Shows an ability to make challenging adjustments to poor throws. WEAKNESSES Upright into routes and breaks. Needs to improve route running for next level. Too much wasted motion out of press coverage with head fakes and jukes at top of his routes. Tied for second in FBS with 11 drops. Struggled to make contested catches and had way too many focus drops. SOURCES TELL US "You expect him to be able to win the deep stuff, but he doesn't have that second gear. He needs to get way better with his routes and hands to find a place in the league." -- AFC North scout BOTTOM LINE Possesses the size, but lacks the speed, route sharpness and hands that are desired from the position. He has some ability, but might need to work his way up the ladder to get a legitimate shot. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/deontay-greenberry?id=2552604 7. De'Vante Bausby - Pitt State - CB 6'1''/180 lbs, 4.42 40, 37.5'' Vertical, 11'0 Broad Jump, 14 reps of 225, 7.09 3-cone, 4.24 short shuttle - Small school cornerback with good size and great athleticism. Super raw, but put him on the PS and let that kid learn. http://www.hudl.com/athlete/577857/highlights/125846379/v2 <------ Highlight video of him. 7. Terrell Watson - Azusa Pacific - RB - 6'1''/239 lbs, 4.51 40, 35 1/2'' Vertical, 10'4'' Broad Jump, 22 reps of 225 - With the signing of Bush, I don't think RB becomes as dire this year. We take a flier on a productive small school kid. Probably the best size/speed combination at RB in the draft. Good agility. Played against weaker competition. Inexperieced in pass pro. High character kid. Productivity increased every year. Stats: 2014: 319 att - 2,212 yds - 6.7 ypa - 29 TD 2013: 301 att - 1,869 yds - 6.0 ypa - 23 TD 2012: 200 att - 1,163 yds - 5.5 ypa - 11 TD 2011: 108 att - 703 yds - 6.5 ypa - 15 TD STRENGTHS Big bruiser. Has shattered just about every school record for his position, including the ones leftover from Christian Okoye's time at the school. Rushed for 63 touchdowns over last three seasons. Strength in lower body to rip through arm tackles. Nifty jump cut for a man his size, with adequate change-of-direction ability. Strong fourth-quarter runner. Useful out of backfield in screen game. WEAKNESSES Played against small defenders that lacked the starch to bring it to him. Predictable in that he likes to make his cutbacks to the right. Doesn't feature a second gear to pull away from defenders. Plays with high pad level and takes big shots because of it. BOTTOM LINE Upright power back with a bit more foot quickness than expected. Watson can make defenders miss in the hole, but he lacks the burst NFL teams will be looking for. His nose for the end zone is intriguing and he's worth a camp invite http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/terrell-watson?id=2553127 ***PRIORITY FAs:Cedric Thompson - Minnesota - Safety - 6'0''/211 lbs - Thompson, who didn't receive an invitation to the NFL combine, ran his 40-yard dash in the 4.38-4.44 range and recorded impressive results in the vertical (40.5-inches), broad jump (10-feet-2) and bench reps (21), according to a scout in attendance. The Gophers safety, who is currently projected as an undrafted free agent, finished his senior season second on the team in tackles (83) with four passes defended and two interceptions. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25088918/nfl-draft-s-thompson-steals-show-at-minnesota-pro-day David Irving - Iowa St - DE/DT - 6'7''/280 - Baggage galore including domestic violence, fourth degree theft (stealing a stop sign during a street party), and disorderly conduct. Was dismissed from the team this fall and entered the draft. Physically a freak though. Jerry Lovelocke - Praireview A&M - QB - 6'4''/248 lbs - Raw, needs to learn. Would make a good PS guy and we can see what we have while in camp. STRENGTHS Big quarterback with strong hands and above-average arm strength. Gets good depth in his drops and sets up quickly. Won't rattle easily in pocket and keeps eyes upfield, searching for a play to make. Able to shake off would-be sacks with pure lower-body strength. Short-yardage and goal-line finisher as rusher. Shows leg drive and falls forward behind his burly frame. Scored 19 rushing touchdowns. Team leader with positive personality. WEAKNESSES Has tendency to launch himself upward when transferring weight forward rather than sitting down and driving ball with his lower body. Needs coaching and game experience to learn to get through his progressions rather than locking in prematurely. Gives away intentions with his eyes, bringing safeties to the party. Babies too many throws rather than sitting down and ripping them. Has issues with easy throws sailing on him. Lacks elusiveness outside of pocket. BOTTOM LINE As an NFL prospect, Lovelocke is nowhere near ready to make an NFL team. However, he is worth bringing into camp to gauge how quickly he can pick up mechanical tweaks and reading defenses if taught by an NFL coach. With his size and arm, he should find his way into a camp. Tyrell Williams - Western Oregon - WR - 6'3 1/2''/204 lbs - Big bodied, athletic small school WR. Ran a 4.38 40, 6.53 3-cone, 4.22 shuttle, while jumping 39 1/2'' Vertical, and 107'' Broad Jump. Great agility for his size. Good write up on him: http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2015/03/scouting-report-tyrell-williams-wr.html

Mar 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM

#31

Travisty13
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm cool with OO in the first, but I don't think is as big of a need as most, especially in the interior, where I think we already have a lot of talent and depth. I like Lockett, but we're kinda loaded with samll, quick guys who we don't know enough about yet. I'd prefer a big RZ threar like Dezmin Lewis or Funchess (if he's still there).

Good mock and rationale, though. Good work; thanks for sharing!

I appreciate it. I don't think DL is a huge need right now,especially if Justin Smith comes back. But Baalke seems to always want to cover all options in case.

I do like the Dezmin Lewis idea (not a Funchess fan at all). I just don't think this year he'd be able to contribute. He reminds me of Brian Quick. That's not a knock on him either, think Quick is coming along nicely now for the Rams. Just seems like a guy who was bigger than everyone he played against at his level, so he didn't have to refine his game much. Think it'll take him a couple years, a la Brian Quick, to get in the groove of the NFL game. That's why I went with Lockett who could at least be dynamic in the return game.

Greenberry was the big WR I grabbed in my mocks to be a future RZ, big bodied WR we needed. He has a ton of potential, was rated #7 WR on rivals as a high schooler, 1 spot behind Amari Cooper. He fell victim to bad QB play (Houston actually started a 5'10 WR at QB most of the year). This was supposed to be his breakout year and it didn't happen. Think a year behind Boldin, he could be a very good player for us.

Mar 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM

#32

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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
I'm still not sure if I like it or not. You certainly deserve points for originality that's for sure.

Lol I appreciate it. I try to think outside the box when I make mocks. Baalke is a wildcard and never gets guys we think he will. 75% of the mocks on here are the same guys recycled over and over. I just try and give a completely new perspective on my mocks.

It's much appreciated, looking at basically the same mock over and over again is boring as hell lol.

Mar 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM

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After looking at it over again, it isn't poo poo anymore. I'm actually starting to like it. It's definitely out of the box, though.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Mar 29, 2015 at 2:59 PM ]

Mar 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by mayo49:
After looking at it over again, it isn't poo poo anymore. I'm actually starting to like it. It's definitely out of the box, though.

Lol well thank you. I do appreciate it.

Mar 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Lol well thank you. I do appreciate it.

Mar 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM

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round 1:
I wouldn't be mad about this pick but OO at 3-4DE? Then he has to bulk up a lot imho. Would suit way better at Brooks' position.
If you really want to go DE, you are free to pick Carl Davis or Eddie Goldman who should be available here.

round 2:
Marpet is a project for now. But I'm ok with it.

round 3:
ok.

round 4a:
ok.

round 4b:
you don't think that we can get superior prospects at CB here?

round 5:
ok

round 6:
Would prefer Waller here.

round 7a:
ok.

round 7b:
ok.

I don't know about that one. Not a single di-line talent is taken in your mock (I don't care about UDFA at all) though we have a lot of questions there (Dockett, JSmith are old, other d-liners are solid but not more, Ian Williams seems to be injury-prone).

edit:
you have stated that the d-line is not a big need for now, especially if Justin comes back?
When should we draft a premier D-Liner then? Next year when everyone knows that we need one?
And should we pray that Dockett and Justin stay healthy this season? Dockett is coming from an ACL injury, Justin is 35 years old. Carradine showed some promising stuff but is still a question mark. TJE, Dial seem to be run-stuffers, Dorsey sucked at 34-DE in this league so far and Ian Williams is our NT, if he can stay healthy.
Now, if you really don't see a big need at the d-line despite these arguments, I will start a riot

[ Edited by communist on Mar 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM ]

Mar 29, 2015 at 4:19 PM

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Originally posted by Travisty13:
It's a reach in your opinion. So was AJ Jenkins, Aldon Smith, Eric Reid, Jimmie Ward to most of the WZ. Baalke doesn't care what people regard as reaches.

I don't believe in "reaches", it's a silly term and what matter is how the player turns out. Pretty sure the Browns got high marks for getting "good value" when they drafted Brady Quinn @ #22....

I'll go back to what I initially said, I would not be completely opposed to drafting the UCLA kid with the intent of making him a stand-up pass rusher, he has rare size/athleticism for that position. He would be a "project" in the sense that he would have to transition to standing up and playing in space, but I think given his dimensions and athleticism, it's doable.

But asking him to play 3-4 DE with his frame is just not realistic. You ask a guy like Tank Carradine, who is 6-5, 270 lbs to do that because HE HAS THE FRAME to add on more weight, and the prototype length for the position.

6'3, 270 lbs is already incredibly bulky. When you ask guys with maxed out frames to add weight, their athleticism suffers. Now you are stuck with a short (for 5-technique standards), slowed down athlete.

Don't mind "reaching", don't mind "projects"... just don't like the idea with this particular player.

Mar 29, 2015 at 4:31 PM

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Originally posted by communist:
round 1:
I wouldn't be mad about this pick but OO at 3-4DE? Then he has to bulk up a lot imho. Would suit way better at Brooks' position.
If you really want to go DE, you are free to pick Carl Davis or Eddie Goldman who should be available here.

round 2:
Marpet is a project for now. But I'm ok with it.

round 3:
ok.

round 4a:
ok.

round 4b:
you don't think that we can get superior prospects at CB here?

round 5:
ok

round 6:
Would prefer Waller here.

round 7a:
ok.

round 7b:
ok.

I don't know about that one. Not a single di-line talent is taken in your mock (I don't care about UDFA at all) though we have a lot of questions there (Dockett, JSmith are old, other d-liners are solid but not more, Ian Williams seems to be injury-prone).

edit:
you have stated that the d-line is not a big need for now, especially if Justin comes back?
When should we draft a premier D-Liner then? Next year when everyone knows that we need one?
And should we pray that Dockett and Justin stay healthy this season? Dockett is coming from an ACL injury, Justin is 35 years old. Carradine showed some promising stuff but is still a question mark. TJE, Dial seem to be run-stuffers, Dorsey sucked at 34-DE in this league so far and Ian Williams is our NT, if he can stay healthy.
Now, if you really don't see a big need at the d-line despite these arguments, I will start a riot

DL can definitely become an issue. That's why I picked Owamagbe first. Some see him as an OLB. But that's just based off athletic ability. His 12.5 career sacks shows you'd be hoping he becomes a big sack guy. At DE in our 3-4, his speed and power would cause headaches for OLinemen and free up Lynch and Smith. Plus in my opinion, he's probably the best run stopping Edge guy in the draft. Scouts wonder if he has the bend and flexibility to turn the corner as an Edge rusher. I still think we should add some weight to him, like we did Tank, and we'd have good bookends in our 3-4.

In regards to your other comments, do I think we can get superior CBs in the 4th? Who are you thinking could be there that could potentially be better than Lippett? Do I think he's a great CB right now? No. But he could be. We all want a Sherman type CB, what if he becomes that? In limited time, he's shown he can play some CB. He's already been doing DB drills in all pre-draft workouts also.

And Waller in the 6th is fine, WR are kind of like ice cream flavors to people. Some love certain guys, some hate certain guys, some have no opinion either way. I can see why Waller is intriguing with is size/speed combo. But a guy with less than a 1k career yards doesn't excite me. If you want a big GT receiver in the 6th, I'd rather go with DeAndre Smelter though.

Mar 29, 2015 at 4:42 PM

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Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
I don't believe in "reaches", it's a silly term and what matter is how the player turns out. Pretty sure the Browns got high marks for getting "good value" when they drafted Brady Quinn @ #22....

I'll go back to what I initially said, I would not be completely opposed to drafting the UCLA kid with the intent of making him a stand-up pass rusher, he has rare size/athleticism for that position. He would be a "project" in the sense that he would have to transition to standing up and playing in space, but I think given his dimensions and athleticism, it's doable.

But asking him to play 3-4 DE with his frame is just not realistic. You ask a guy like Tank Carradine, who is 6-5, 270 lbs to do that because HE HAS THE FRAME to add on more weight, and the prototype length for the position.

6'3, 270 lbs is already incredibly bulky. When you ask guys with maxed out frames to add weight, their athleticism suffers. Now you are stuck with a short (for 5-technique standards), slowed down athlete.

Don't mind "reaching", don't mind "projects"... just don't like the idea with this particular player.

I understand what you're saying. But Carradine is only 1 inch taller and 9 lbs more coming to out than Owa is now. To me, Owamagbe looks like he could still add weight and not lose much of his athleticism. I think that's where you and are finding differences. I just think he's better suited in the position he's played throughout college. If we kept him at the 5 technique it'd suit him better than at OLB. It's just my opinion.

Mar 29, 2015 at 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by Travisty13:
I understand what you're saying. But Carradine is only 1 inch taller and 9 lbs more coming to out than Owa is now. To me, Owamagbe looks like he could still add weight and not lose much of his athleticism. I think that's where you and are finding differences. I just think he's better suited in the position he's played throughout college. If we kept him at the 5 technique it'd suit him better than at OLB. It's just my opinion.

Well, he DID play 5-tech at UCLA, so I can't say it's completely far fetched...

it's just to me, if I'm gonna go with a PROJECT type guy in the 1st, I want him to have the potential to be above and beyond the prototype at his position. The best 3-4 DE's in the NFL are very tall and long.

Carradine is about 2" taller and he looked slim carrying 270 lbs, where as Owa looks like any more muscle on his frame and he's gonna be slowed down.

I haven't seen him play in space or anything visual to prove he could do well playing in space, so I dunno if OLB would be good for him... I am just saying I think his potential at 5-tech is limited.

He'd probably make the most sense for us as a DE in our nickel packages and moving Aaron Lynch inside, I think he could have value there... but I'm not sure you do that with your 1st pick.

I do like your outside the box thinking and not just falling in line with what analysts that have no f'ing clue what Baalke or our FO thinks of players. I hate it when people say they don't like a pick solely on the principle that Mayock or one of his cronies didn't say that's where they would get drafted.

Mar 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM

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Originally posted by mayo49:
After looking at it over again, it isn't poo poo anymore. I'm actually starting to like it. It's definitely out of the box, though.

Same here. After rereading your reasoning I'm starting to come around.

Mar 29, 2015 at 5:16 PM

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Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Well, he DID play 5-tech at UCLA, so I can't say it's completely far fetched...

it's just to me, if I'm gonna go with a PROJECT type guy in the 1st, I want him to have the potential to be above and beyond the prototype at his position. The best 3-4 DE's in the NFL are very tall and long.

Carradine is about 2" taller and he looked slim carrying 270 lbs, where as Owa looks like any more muscle on his frame and he's gonna be slowed down.

I haven't seen him play in space or anything visual to prove he could do well playing in space, so I dunno if OLB would be good for him... I am just saying I think his potential at 5-tech is limited.

He'd probably make the most sense for us as a DE in our nickel packages and moving Aaron Lynch inside, I think he could have value there... but I'm not sure you do that with your 1st pick.

I do like your outside the box thinking and not just falling in line with what analysts that have no f'ing clue what Baalke or our FO thinks of players. I hate it when people say they don't like a pick solely on the principle that Mayock or one of his cronies didn't say that's where they would get drafted.

I agree. And get what you're saying. I also agree with Lynch. He was nasty at ND on their DL and thought that's where we were going to put him. He's made a very nice transition to OLB for us though.

Mar 29, 2015 at 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Same here. After rereading your reasoning I'm starting to come around.

Thank you sir. There's a method to my madness lol.

Mar 29, 2015 at 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm cool with OO in the first, but I don't think is as big of a need as most, especially in the interior, where I think we already have a lot of talent and depth. I like Lockett, but we're kinda loaded with samll, quick guys who we don't know enough about yet. I'd prefer a big RZ threar like Dezmin Lewis or Funchess (if he's still there).

Good mock and rationale, though. Good work; thanks for sharing!

I appreciate it. I don't think DL is a huge need right now,especially if Justin Smith comes back. But Baalke seems to always want to cover all options in case.

I do like the Dezmin Lewis idea (not a Funchess fan at all). I just don't think this year he'd be able to contribute. He reminds me of Brian Quick. That's not a knock on him either, think Quick is coming along nicely now for the Rams. Just seems like a guy who was bigger than everyone he played against at his level, so he didn't have to refine his game much. Think it'll take him a couple years, a la Brian Quick, to get in the groove of the NFL game. That's why I went with Lockett who could at least be dynamic in the return game.

Greenberry was the big WR I grabbed in my mocks to be a future RZ, big bodied WR we needed. He has a ton of potential, was rated #7 WR on rivals as a high schooler, 1 spot behind Amari Cooper. He fell victim to bad QB play (Houston actually started a 5'10 WR at QB most of the year). This was supposed to be his breakout year and it didn't happen. Think a year behind Boldin, he could be a very good player for us.

Fair point. I think Smelter would have been a better suggestion. I just want a guy with dominant size strength, and athleticism in the red zone (at least Funchess has size, right?). Greenberry's bigger than the guys we have, but not by much. I still think he'd lose most jump balls against a guy like Sherman.

Mar 29, 2015 at 6:27 PM

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OO is at around 270 pounds (yeah, I know that Carradine brings just slightly more pounds to the table)...in order to be an efficient run-stuffing 5tech, he better should gain weight very fast.
If he isn't able to do this until the upcoming season, he won't play in the trenches much.

I'm fine with the pick but not with the scheduled position in our system. I even doubt that he can gain about 20-25 pounds of muscle.