Trent Balke and/or Jed York...please read!!!! | Page 2

Atl49er · 2015-03-21T06:07:44-07:00

Trent Balke and/or Jed York...please read!!!! I've been a member a long time but don't post often.....but I had to share! Ok, Harbough was a headache and really did not produce what he was brought in to do and that was to build a dynamic offense via the drafting and development of a Qb. I am good with him being released actually....I didn't see any growth from the team last season but I have faith in Kap but he needs help. I am 41 years old and have been loving the niners since the glory days of Jerry Rice!! It's time to bring those days back gentlemen & in this post that I pray gets to you two I will explain how. During our glory days...we had good defenses but the main asset was our ability to score points. Not just score points but punch teams in the mouth early in the game, producing big leads and giving the defense an competitve advantage. Now, it's the complete opposite.....we play entirely TOO conservative. Every year, I scout players I hope my team will draft and I must admit it is very disappointing to watch the niners pass up all the great offensive talent I scout every year to draft offensive duds!! This is not a bashing post but come on guys......our defense is and will be solid again this year. In this league currently, you must have the ability for explosive plays. Explosive plays are made by explosive players ala Jerry Rice. Watch the film and there is one guy who looks very similar to Rice......his name is Amari Cooper. He runs routes at full speed, he will be uncoverable one on one in the league. Watch my word, he will still be on the board at 11....,,Jed York....go get him at 11 and give him number 80!!! In the second round, draft a running back that can run between the tackles, has breakaway speed and catch out of the backfield ala Roger Craig. Here, I like 2 backs Duke Johnson and Tevin Coleman. And I know you guys will say wait a minute that's too much........but if Phillip Dorsett makes it to the 3rd......take him too......speed, speed, speed! I guarantee Richard Sherman and sea chickens cannot cover Cooper and Dorsett. The patriots showed us the blueprint to beating those guys.....trust me please. After the first 3 rounds, take all defense. This team will be set for the next 10 years and you two guys will look like geniuses....like Eddie D and Bill Walsh Adding those 3 weapons to this team, will finally provide some explosion on the field, guys that can take a 10 yard slant 80 yards for a touchdown. Currently we do not possess that element. I love Boldin but he is getting old and has never been explosive. I like Torrey Smith (a very good complimentary WR) but he is not a number 1....we need the young explosive players to give Kap the tools around him to be successful. Trent, Jed....please do it for me, for us, for the city and the fans.....bring back the glory days where the offense had explosion!!!

Mar 21, 2015 at 12:18 PM

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English
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Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Man has a point.

Explosive plays are necessarily needed, but the threat of an explosive play is. Baalke addressed this by bringing in the best deep threat to hit the free agency market is a few years in Torrey Smith.

The offense has been the albatross of the team for over a decade now. Offensive line is important but as the OP articulated, Baalke has been addressing this with the addition of Martin and Thomas.

OP certainly has valid points. All of Baalke's early round investments in the offense has failed miserably, taking the likes of AJJ and LMJ. Hyde has showed flashes, but taking another back isn't flawed logic, especially since Hunter is coming back from injury and both he and Bush are on 1 year contracts. Boldin's on his last year as well, so an investment in another young WR seems smart to me. Definitely worth a conversation at least, and not to just be dismissed.

Taking another back THAT HIGH with other needs may well be flawed logic. I imagine Baalke may but only if the value is inescapable. Regarding the investment in a receiver, certainly as I think I said in my original. But the OP has us taking one with the 3rd and also trading up from #15 to #11,which is likely to cost. So I do dismiss the idea.

Mar 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by stonecold590:
I am sure one of them if not both of them probably holding hands read the forums here.

Mar 21, 2015 at 1:37 PM

#18

NickSh49
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O-Line for the win.

Mar 21, 2015 at 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by Atl49er:
Jerome Simpson is camp fodder & Ellington & Patton have not showed me anything to get extra excited about!! I am well aware we hold the number 15 pick, that's why I stressed the need to go get him at 11...thus by trading up! We've had a powerhouse D as you call it for the last 4-5 years, played conservative and won no rings. That's because we cannot score points. Even with all the injuries do D last year we still were ranked#2 overall on defense and still did not make the playoffs

Yes, it all starts with the offensive line but we took 2 offensive lineman last year in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. That highest value crap netted us Jimmy Ward....and we missed playmakers that are performing at high levels Devonta Adams, Moncrief, Jordan Matthews, and the boy from Pittsburgh but yeah we got Ellington!!

You do realize that if Ellington went to Green Bay or Pittsburgh, you'd probably be upset about the 49ers not drafting him and taking a bust like Moncrief or Matthews instead...right.

Talent is only one part of the equation, actually coaching that talent up and being able to utilize it properly is a must. Over the past few years this team hasn't shown that they had a clue on how to coach up or use receivers properly on offense.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 21, 2015 at 1:46 PM ]

Mar 21, 2015 at 2:00 PM

#20

SLCNiner
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i stopped reading when you suggested they give him #80.

Mar 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'd be surprised if Baalke has EVER read this forum. That said, I fully expect that Jed has at least 5 accounts here.

Mar 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM

#22

bigwads
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Trent and Jed,if you don't overuse the non word "ala" I would be happy.

Mar 21, 2015 at 2:22 PM

#23

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Originally posted by NickSh49:
O-Line for the win.

This! I would love for Scherff to fall to us. Plug him in Iupatis spot then next year when Boone walks plug in Brandon Thomas. Then you got Staley Scherff Martin Thomas Davis. Three first rd picks for one of the best OL if not the best in the NFL for years to come

[ Edited by Pillbusta on Mar 21, 2015 at 2:22 PM ]

Mar 21, 2015 at 2:47 PM

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Good things happen with our team when we run the ball. Look at the 3 nfc championship years. Our formula was running the rock.

Last season we got too cute and changed up our philosophy! (Harbaugh caved and opened up the offense to more passing) Look at what happened to our offense for the first half of the season when we would throw a lot. Lost to the bears because we relied on Kap to keep throwing in that game. There was too much passing last year, and that was why we finished 8-8.

Look I get it, during our glory years, passing got us the championships. It's a different time now fellas, we got to go back to running. I rather run the ball and get td's to our te's and wr during play action (which worked great during our NFC championship runs).

We should focus on getting help for our defense. I would be very happy if we drafted db, db, lb, wr, and bpa from there on out.

Mar 21, 2015 at 4:35 PM

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Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NickSh49:
O-Line for the win.

This! I would love for Scherff to fall to us. Plug him in Iupatis spot then next year when Boone walks plug in Brandon Thomas. Then you got Staley Scherff Martin Thomas Davis. Three first rd picks for one of the best OL if not the best in the NFL for years to come

Let's just bite the bullet and do this...if the picks fall right for us. Two stud OL and we're getting back on track for the future.

Mar 21, 2015 at 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by English:
Taking another back THAT HIGH with other needs may well be flawed logic. I imagine Baalke may but only if the value is inescapable. Regarding the investment in a receiver, certainly as I think I said in my original. But the OP has us taking one with the 3rd and also trading up from #15 to #11,which is likely to cost. So I do dismiss the idea.

Yeah, if the niners really felt Cooper was their man and had the means to go get him I am cool with that, but the RB and 3rd round idea doesn't add up.

Mar 21, 2015 at 8:08 PM

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Also, don't forget Rick Mirer was the next Joe Montana, looked just like him coming out of college.... lol

[ Edited by Cisco0623 on Mar 21, 2015 at 8:08 PM ]

Mar 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM

#28

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'd be surprised if Baalke has EVER read this forum. That said, I fully expect that Jed has at least 5 accounts here.

I think he has more than that. Jed reads and posts on here IMO.....

Mar 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM

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Some of you people amaze me....this is a Qb driven league. In order to be successful you need play makers surrounding our young Qb to relieve the pressure off his shoulders. We don't pick this high very often...,we need to take advantage and take superstars that score touchdowns ...skilled positions Wr's & Rb's rather that be Cooper, Parker, Gurley, DGB or Gordon. Counting on a 35 year old Boldin, which is the ONLY proven consistent play maker on this offense is short-sided and down right naive!!

It's a given you cannot fill all needs with one draft, however, this draft is loaded with some difference makers at the skilled position that should make an early impact and play at a high level for a long time.