Trae Waynes CB, Michigan State. | Page 3

shmuck · 2015-03-10T16:03:24-07:00

I saw that this kid doesn't have a thread yet. I'll update the OP with stats and highlights and pictures and the such in a bit. Fast, lengthy, and physical he would fit right in on our defense. All reports I've read have said he is a high character guy that leads by example. Would love to have him with our first pick especially with the recent signing of Smith. NFL.COM: STRENGTHS Good length. Loves to compete in man-to-man and is mentally tough. Asked to play on an island and did so successfully. Allowed just two touchdowns over last two seasons. Bump-and-run specialist. Fastest cornerback at the NFL Scouting Combine with a 4.31 40-yard dash, showing off his recovery speed to make up for separation. Maintains feel for vertical threats and uses his frame to pin wideouts against sideline. Excels in deep, man coverage and can be smothering. Acceleration and length to contest any throw on the field. Well-coached and plays with proper leverage in coverage. Can be intimidating and disruptive against finesse receivers. Drives forward with burst and runs through targets, jarring balls loose. Wrap-up tackler who understands his responsibility against the run. WEAKNESSES "Grab, grab, grab!" Transition to a less hands-on cover style will take time. Would grab opposing wide receivers at top of route at times rather than trusting length and ball skills. Penalized nine times over last two seasons. Tight through hips and tends to play upright. Struggles to mirror and match against quickness. Hips and feet get clumsy in transition. Allows brief separation window at the top of short and intermediate routes. Fails to sink hips to stop, causing balance issues. Sometimes plays with blinders on and anticipation is below average. Slow to process combinations. CBS Sports: STRENGTHS: Excellent size and length for the position. Experienced working on an island and plays with confidence. Does an excellent job using his body and length to gain inside leverage and keep outside receivers from getting comfortable vertically. Tough-minded competitor and plays with a physical, downhill demeanor, delivering a pop at contact in run support. Always keeps his eyes alert to quickly diagnose and break on break on the ball with natural ball skills to make plays. WEAKNESSES: Thin-limbed and is all "arms and legs" with his lanky build, clearly lacking ideal bulk and muscle definition. He is too easily pushed around by wide receivers, too much of an ankle biter in run support and needs to develop his functional strength. Needs to stay balanced in his transition and his technique tends to run hot/cold due to his tendency to bite the apple and freelance. He will also play too hands-on and draw penalties in the NFL. Compares To: Kyle Fuller, Bears -- Waynes plays like a young Fuller and if he can introduce more discipline to his game moving forward, he will have bright future in the NFL. --Dane Brugler Highlights:

Mar 13, 2015 at 2:28 PM

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Kolohe
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Trae Waynes, Jalen Collins or Marcus Peters, I'd take anyone of those three it doesn't matter to me.

Mar 13, 2015 at 7:27 PM

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shmuck
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trae Waynes, Jalen Collins or Marcus Peters, I'd take anyone of those three it doesn't matter to me.

Please not Collins. He's too raw. He can't step in day 1 and be an impact. In fact I think he would be a liability until year 2.

Mar 13, 2015 at 7:29 PM

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Wayne's or peters would be awesome. One of these guys and Phillip Dorset or Mario Alford. Oh goodness.

Mar 13, 2015 at 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
Wayne's or peters would be awesome. One of these guys and Phillip Dorset or Mario Alford. Oh goodness.

Agreed.

Mar 13, 2015 at 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by shmuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trae Waynes, Jalen Collins or Marcus Peters, I'd take anyone of those three it doesn't matter to me.

Please not Collins. He's too raw. He can't step in day 1 and be an impact. In fact I think he would be a liability until year 2.

So to you the most important quality is the ability to play on day 1? It's definitely one way to go, but that always seemed short-sighted to me. I'd rather get a guy who had a high ceiling any day of the week than someone who I felt was a lesser talent but could start immediately. If we were on the cusp of a SB and one player away, then I could possibly see that, but this team will be lucky to win a few division games next year. Seems like a good time to get high upside players and see what they can do.

Mar 13, 2015 at 11:53 PM

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I'm not sold on Collins either. I'm not seeing that combine speed on the field. Don't want. Has potential, but I've seen too many athletic, DBs who didn't play was underwhelming completely bust in the NFL.

Peters & Waynes look realy good though.

[ Edited by NinerSickness on Mar 13, 2015 at 11:55 PM ]

Mar 14, 2015 at 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by shmuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trae Waynes, Jalen Collins or Marcus Peters, I'd take anyone of those three it doesn't matter to me.

Please not Collins. He's too raw. He can't step in day 1 and be an impact. In fact I think he would be a liability until year 2.

In your perspective, in what way is Collins raw?? Btw drafting Collins or any of the CB's I mentioned wouldn't mean drafting him in the 1st round.

Mar 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM

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As good of a prospect as Waynes appears to be, I am surprised there is no mention of his poor 3 cone time. That is the one red flag with him, and while there are and have been some good corners who also had poor 3 cone times they are the more rare exception. 3 cone is actually a better measure than 40 times for corners. While he claimed cramps at the combine hurt his other numbers, and then improved his shuttle time at his pro day he did choose to stand on his 3 cone combine number which does not remove the red flag.

I would be leery of taking him at 15 or even moving up to get him (Vikes could be players). Would prefer to move back and take someone like Johnson or Collins if we go corner in round one but in Baalke we trust.

Mar 21, 2015 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
In your perspective, in what way is Collins raw?? Btw drafting Collins or any of the CB's I mentioned wouldn't mean drafting him in the 1st round.

He technique is very bad. He's got awful footwork when in press coverage. He seems to take these hop steps instead of getting low and driving into his back pedal. This isn't unusual for a larger corner but even by big corner standards he is a sloppy technician. When he's in off coverage his hips aren't fluid enough to make a break in the ball in no time flat. Also I don't see the instincts that say MP has. He really is all HWS and I don't think that's good enough for a corner. I have him as a third rounder.

Mar 21, 2015 at 11:51 AM

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I've seen Collins get beat on a lot of slants. His ability to get himself into the right position would worry me, but his physical skills are tempting.

If you want an athlete at CB I say go w/ Darby from FSU. He's a better CB and just as good of an athlete IMO.

[ Edited by NinerSickness on Mar 21, 2015 at 11:51 AM ]

Mar 21, 2015 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
So to you the most important quality is the ability to play on day 1? It's definitely one way to go, but that always seemed short-sighted to me. I'd rather get a guy who had a high ceiling any day of the week than someone who I felt was a lesser talent but could start immediately. If we were on the cusp of a SB and one player away, then I could possibly see that, but this team will be lucky to win a few division games next year. Seems like a good time to get high upside players and see what they can do.

I see what your saying but I don't even believe he has the great of potential. As I mentioned in my last post he's just a HWS guy that hasn't really shown much on tape. I think he will be abused badly for a while. I think Waynes Johnson and Peters have the potential to be better corners then him. I'd rather see instincts and ball skills then HWS for my corners personally.

Mar 21, 2015 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
I've seen Collins get beat on a lot of slants. His ability to react & anticipate would worry me, but his physical skills are tempting.

If you want an athlete at CB I say go w/ Darby from FSU. He's a better CB and just as good of an athlete IMO.

Agree with you on the first paragraph. He doesn't have the hips to open up and explode on the ball.

Darby is a good athlete too but nowhere near of a specimen as Collins is. Collins has a couple more inches on Darby and is much stronger in his upper body and consequently run support.

EDIT: If Baalke wants a specimen at CB I'd be MUCH more comfortable taking Byron Jones in the second.

[ Edited by shmuck on Mar 21, 2015 at 11:56 AM ]

Mar 22, 2015 at 9:19 AM

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Waynes has taking a hit in his value but yet again this CB class ain't anything special

Mar 22, 2015 at 4:25 PM

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Originally posted by Harbaalke:
Waynes has taking a hit in his value but yet again this CB class ain't anything special

Kevin Johnson is being criminally underrated IMO. I think he could be the best CB to come out of this draft.

Mar 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM

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Besides speed what does this guy bring to the table that makes him the best cb in the draft? To me speed is not so important for a cb. Fluidity in movement and instinks seem more important to me

[ Edited by gold49er2183 on Mar 22, 2015 at 4:49 PM ]