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LTB's Mock Offseason (Pre-Free Agency/Pro Day)
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Mar 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM
- NinerSickness
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Lotta offense in that draft.
Mar 3, 2015 at 11:23 PM
- elguapo
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I love that mock offseason and draft. Rounds 1-3 are great. The de may not be addressed if we sign dockett. I think the resigns and walks are right on except we do not cut Ian Williams.
Mar 4, 2015 at 12:00 AM
- LowerTheBoom
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Lotta offense in that draft.
Yup. That was by design.
Our D was 5th in the league if I'm not mistaken... while missing Bowman for 16 games, Willis for 10.5, Aldon for 9 games and Tramaine Brock missed damn near the whole season.
Not only did our WR corps need a major jolt regardless, but only only Boldin, Patton and Ellington are under contract, and even if we hit gold and draft a legit #1 WR in the 1st... spots 3-5/6 have to be accounted for, and neither Patton or Ellington are locks to be the answer there (although I do like both players, they are far from sure bets).
We needed to reload in a major way on O, and I just wasn't very fond of the DL depth in this years crop. We have the best ILB unit and depth in the entire NFL, 1 elite level All-Pro in Aldon Smith, a budding star in Aaron Lynch and an excellent #3 OLB in Skuta.
Given the fact that we drafted Jimmie Ward in the 1st, Brock will be healthy and Dontae Johnson looked good last year, I don't think CB is as much of a need as its made out to be, nor do I see Baalke investing that highly in CB after drafting the guys he did last year.
Mar 4, 2015 at 12:06 AM
- LowerTheBoom
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Originally posted by elguapo:
I love that mock offseason and draft. Rounds 1-3 are great. The de may not be addressed if we sign dockett. I think the resigns and walks are right on except we do not cut Ian Williams.
I agree, I think the Dockett signing is wishful thinking... but where I think we may sign SOMEONE relevant at DE because there are no players in the draft this year that can step in and fill Ray McDonald's shoes in 2015. Perhaps the 49ers are THAT high on Carradine from practices that they don't feel Dockett is necessary, but:
1) I don't see a Year 1 starting 5-technique in the first 3 rounds
2) I think it would be foolish to gamble on a project like Arik Armstead in the 1st round and fail AGAIN to address our glaring need for a prime time WR talent.
Maybe we don't cut Ian Williams, but between him and Glenn Dorsey, that money can be used better elsewhere, IMO.
Mar 4, 2015 at 12:12 AM
- LowerTheBoom
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Lotta offense in that draft.
Also, factor in THIS:
*DeAndre Smelter is a "redshirt" draft pick. Anquan Boldin is gone after this year... meaning WR doesn't stop being a need even if get our #1 this year
*Dorsett is not just an offensive pick, but he's a much needed boost to our return game. Teams do draft for ST as well, and Dorsett fills multiple needs
*Vernon Davis' future is up in the air, and Vance McDonald has barely shown signs of life. TE has to be addressed at some point THIS year, if for nothing else than for depth
*Carlos Hyde hasn't proven he's star material or can even carry the load by himself. Kendall Hunter is coming off a torn ACL and tore his achilles the year before. We are a run dominant team, and Tevin Coleman is, IMO, the best RB in the class and has the tools to be a super star in the NFL.
Mar 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM
- Travisty13
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Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
*Dorsett is not just an offensive pick, but he's a much needed boost to our return game. Teams do draft for ST as well, and Dorsett fills multiple needs
What exactly has Dorsett shown that indicates he'd be a "needed boost" to our return game. He wasn't even Miami's return man this year, Stacy Coley was. And in all his time at Miami, he had 23 KR for 449 yards and a 19.5 average and as PR he had 16 returns for 79 yards and a 4.9 average. He's a horrible returner and wouldn't be an upgrade over anyone on this team. Some guys just aren't made to be returners, Dorsett is one.
Mar 4, 2015 at 6:34 AM
- Mr.Mcgibblets
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Mixed bag, and some skeptical draft values.. pretty good, if this is the reality.
Not too big a fan of your first 2 picks. I have them both at lesser value.
The rest of your picks would all be A+, but I have my doubts they would be available where you select them.
On the whole though, and assuming this was the final outcome, I'd be pleased enough.First 2 picks underwhelm, but the rest makes up for it.
Not too big a fan of your first 2 picks. I have them both at lesser value.
The rest of your picks would all be A+, but I have my doubts they would be available where you select them.
On the whole though, and assuming this was the final outcome, I'd be pleased enough.First 2 picks underwhelm, but the rest makes up for it.
Mar 4, 2015 at 6:43 AM
- Bluesbro
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I strongly disagree with Beckham at #15. This guy has Josh Gordon type red flags swirling all around him, and is a HUGE character risk.
Mar 4, 2015 at 6:56 AM
- LZRD_WZRD
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We're not going to pick 3 WR, including a 1st rounder. If we're drafting the second tier guys, then we're going OL or defense in the 1st round for sure
Mar 4, 2015 at 7:29 AM
- daragon
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Great draft! I love the Dorial Green-Beckham pick in the first.
Mar 4, 2015 at 7:38 AM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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Rowe will definitely not be there mid-5th round. He may have fallen there pre-combine, but he had one of the best combines of any player even though it hasn't been talked about much.
I agree that Dorsett may fall farther than people expect, but I think we would have to trade up in the 3rd to get him. I like the rest of the mock and the Dockett acquisition. I still think we would address DL in the draft before the 7th round, because we would have to assume Dockett and Smith only have one more season in them. Tank is our only viable replacement and he's unproven as you said.
I've been on the DGB bandwagon for a while now, but I wouldn't mind trading back from 15 to the mid-20's (maybe Carolina's pick) and betting that either Jaelen Strong or DGB is available there. Their 1st and 2nd round picks are an exact match for the 15th pick on the trade calculator (1050 each) and we may have a shot at either Preston Smith or Mario Edwards with their 2nd round pick. If both DGB and Strong are taken, we could go DL with the 25th pick (Carl Davis). I'm really hoping that trade happens because Carolina may want Andrus Peat or another OT available at 15 and there are several prospects the 49ers could take at 25.
I agree that Dorsett may fall farther than people expect, but I think we would have to trade up in the 3rd to get him. I like the rest of the mock and the Dockett acquisition. I still think we would address DL in the draft before the 7th round, because we would have to assume Dockett and Smith only have one more season in them. Tank is our only viable replacement and he's unproven as you said.
I've been on the DGB bandwagon for a while now, but I wouldn't mind trading back from 15 to the mid-20's (maybe Carolina's pick) and betting that either Jaelen Strong or DGB is available there. Their 1st and 2nd round picks are an exact match for the 15th pick on the trade calculator (1050 each) and we may have a shot at either Preston Smith or Mario Edwards with their 2nd round pick. If both DGB and Strong are taken, we could go DL with the 25th pick (Carl Davis). I'm really hoping that trade happens because Carolina may want Andrus Peat or another OT available at 15 and there are several prospects the 49ers could take at 25.
Mar 4, 2015 at 7:56 AM
- NYniner85
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Good write up!
couple questions though...
1. Smith is still under contract so I don't get the resigning?
2. Why are you cutting Williams? It would only save $1 million and when healthy is has played well. We need depth on the DL and your draft didn't really go that route.
3. Why restructure VD then draft a TE in the 4th? Vance has been underwhelming, but he is only going into his 3rd year.
I'm all about going offense in the draft but that seems a bit overkill lol. I'm fine with DGB if Baalke thinks he is worth the 15th pick. Tons of upside and I have a good feeling about our new WR coach. Coleman would be a stud for us in the 2nd and I like the Rowe pick in the 5th.
What did you use for a draft board? Rowe is a 3-4 rd prospect on CBS Sports.
Not sure if Dorsett is there in the 3rd and was he good at kick/punt returns??...I think I'd rather go DL (especially if you're going Smelter in the 4th).
overall not bad thanks for the mock
couple questions though...
1. Smith is still under contract so I don't get the resigning?
2. Why are you cutting Williams? It would only save $1 million and when healthy is has played well. We need depth on the DL and your draft didn't really go that route.
3. Why restructure VD then draft a TE in the 4th? Vance has been underwhelming, but he is only going into his 3rd year.
I'm all about going offense in the draft but that seems a bit overkill lol. I'm fine with DGB if Baalke thinks he is worth the 15th pick. Tons of upside and I have a good feeling about our new WR coach. Coleman would be a stud for us in the 2nd and I like the Rowe pick in the 5th.
What did you use for a draft board? Rowe is a 3-4 rd prospect on CBS Sports.
Not sure if Dorsett is there in the 3rd and was he good at kick/punt returns??...I think I'd rather go DL (especially if you're going Smelter in the 4th).
overall not bad thanks for the mock
Mar 4, 2015 at 8:03 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Rowe will definitely not be there mid-5th round. He may have fallen there pre-combine, but he had one of the best combines of any player even though it hasn't been talked about much.
I agree that Dorsett may fall farther than people expect, but I think we would have to trade up in the 3rd to get him. I like the rest of the mock and the Dockett acquisition. I still think we would address DL in the draft before the 7th round, because we would have to assume Dockett and Smith only have one more season in them. Tank is our only viable replacement and he's unproven as you said.
I've been on the DGB bandwagon for a while now, but I wouldn't mind trading back from 15 to the mid-20's (maybe Carolina's pick) and betting that either Jaelen Strong or DGB is available there. Their 1st and 2nd round picks are an exact match for the 15th pick on the trade calculator (1050 each) and we may have a shot at either Preston Smith or Mario Edwards with their 2nd round pick. If both DGB and Strong are taken, we could go DL with the 25th pick (Carl Davis). I'm really hoping that trade happens because Carolina may want Andrus Peat or another OT available at 15 and there are several prospects the 49ers could take at 25.
Yup I was thinking about a trade down with Carolina in my next mock
as well... they need OL help and Collins might be sitting there at 15. Like you said the draft value is perfect for their 2nd rd pick. I kinda want to see how FA plays out a little before making my mock. I have a feeling teams like the Raiders and Cleveland might grab a WR in FA which could have one of the big 3 fall to us.
Mar 4, 2015 at 9:04 AM
- m_brockalexander
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Lotta offense in that draft.
The list of the top players under 25 came out on NFL.com today. Niners had two on the defense (Borland and Reid) and none on offense. The Niners need help on that side of the ball.
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