Arik Armstead DE Oregon

Originally posted by REB4:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is different than Alden smith. And if I had to do it all over again I would take Alcon still with the #7 pick. MAYBE I would take him at #15

Aldon was a reach. He missed 2 seasons with head case issues. He is always suspended or in rehab or crashing into trees or shooting guns in the air. That is not good.

If you miss 2 years because you are an idiot that is a reach. Look at his production last year. Total garage.

44 sacks in 50 games played. Stop trolling.

Missing most of the last two seasons is a valid concern. Why do you think the other teams downgraded him? You get what you paid for. He's got talent, but when the team needed him the most in the Super Bowl 2012, in 2013 regular season & playoffs & all of 2014 he was basically a no show that threw the team into chaos with his bullcrap distractions.

But the thread is about Armstead, he wasn't even the 2nd best DL in his own conference. Stanford's Henry Anderson was better. He not only has a higher motor, he was faster in the 40 at the combine, top performer 3 cone drill & 20 yard shuttle; a whole lot better college stats last season; and the icing on the cake is that Pro Football Focus has him leading all 3-4 defensive ends in terms of Pass Rushing Productivity and was second in Run Stop Percentage last year.

I was typing on my phone when I first posted that. What I meant to say was if I had to redo the draft again, NO WAY I would draft Aldon Smith at #7, I would MAYBE take him at #15. He played strong his first year, along win his second year. Since then the guy is a ?????

I hope this kid proves us wrong. But TBH I hated last years pick worse.

Originally posted by midrdan:

Yeah - Jim Ward has been epic. Traded up for a meh safety in Reid. Passed on JJ Watt to draft a very talented guy who has missed almost two years for off field stuff. Borland is gone. Hopefully Tank the ACL will give us something in his third year. I would hardly call this an exemplary resume.
I was simply responding to the statement that Baalke has been great at picking D. Call it being unlucky with Borland. Call it unlucky with the Reid concussions (though let's be frank Antoine Bethea outplayed him last year). Call him unlucky that Aldon Smith has had legal issues. Or that Ward was overmatched in the slot before breaking his foot. Or that Culliver had legal issues and cost us the SB. That's a lot of bad luck.

Our D performing well had just as much if not more to do with our coaches' reclamation projects - Brooks, Rogers, Cox to name a few - or signing proven vets - J. Smith, Whitner, than it did our draft picks.

But we shall see. I'm pulling for this kid to develop into a freak. Just won't be surprised if he is literally out of the league in 3 years.

I get what you're saying but Trent was also the one signing some of those reclamation projects. Don't get me wrong, I loved the staff and wanted them to stay, I just thought we needed some revamping on O. Bethea may have been our MVP this season but Reid was awesome in his rookie season. Cully didn't single handedly cost us the SB but he was a distraction and didn't play well. Still based on round and talent he was a great pick and played well when he was here.

Smith and Culliver are vastly different than Reid (never injured in college really) and Borland (fear of injury). The jury is still out on Ward, other than the Marshall beat down the kid looked pretty solid for a rookie playing a very difficult position.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

To be fair Tank had 11 sacks in 11 games before his injury in college. Kid had like 3 sacks in limited games and snaps last season. Arik had 4 sacks in 3 college seasons. Not exactly the same thing. Tank was a top 10-15 pick at the latest before his injury IMO.

Armstead is more in the Ray McDonald mold as a run stopping DE with Carradine definitely more of a pass rusher.

Yeah, just replying since he said they both have "potential". The word potential wasn't as heavily used with Tank, he had some very solid production.

I trust this staff with DL, other than Balmer it has been a strength and we have drafted pretty well. We have to give the kid a season or two.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
To be fair Tank had 11 sacks in 11 games before his injury in college. Kid had like 3 sacks in limited games and snaps last season. Arik had 4 sacks in 3 college seasons. Not exactly the same thing. Tank was a top 10-15 pick at the latest before his injury IMO.

Armstead is more in the Ray McDonald mold as a run stopping DE with Carradine definitely more of a pass rusher.

Yup play opposite ends

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
15 tackles and 2 sacks. 2 missed seasons.

Give me Watt.

So you'd take the best defensive player in the league and one of the most dominant DL of all time over Aldon? Good to know.

Are you an NFL franchise in need of a defensive lineman? Good news, the 2015 NFL Draft is full of them.

One prospect who is shooting up draft boards and is a busy member on the pre-draft visit circuit is Oregon defensive lineman Arik Armstead.

The 6-foot-7 prospect has often been mentioned in the first round but, due in part to his size, is starting to receive even more love from scouts as they study him even more thoroughly with the draft just a few weeks away.




"When you look at Arik Armstead, you look at somebody who has elite traits. He has elite size, he has elite strength at the point of attack," NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah said on NFL Network's "Path to the Draft." "I think he has some upside as a pass rusher. I know people look at him and say he's not an elite pass rusher, lacks some of that quickness. Not what he was asked to do in that Oregon scheme.

"I think he definitely is going to be a much better pass rusher at the next level, and that's why I say he could go all the way up in the top 10."

Armstead is all over the board in NFL.com mock drafts but nobody has him higher than No. 15 overall to the San Francisco 49ers (a team he visited with this week). Some of that could be attributed to the lineman's lack of eye-popping numbers during his time in some Ducks uniforms but a lot of it may also be the result of what Jeremiah thinks is popping on the tape and seeing the raw tools to be a top-flight defender in the league.




"I challenge people who say he can't rush the passer," the analyst added. "Some of that stuff is going to be fixed just on how you line him up. I think he could have a career like Calais Campbell"

Armstead recently rose to No. 2 among defensive linemen on NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock's updated positional rankings and might just be a prospect who is climbing up draft boards into that top-10 range despite the draft being full of talented players in the trenches.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000485199/article/jeremiah-arik-armstead-has-elite-traits-could-go-in-top-10

Originally posted by teylo31:
As Damon Wayans used to say "hated it"

Please develop quickly!

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
I hope this kid proves us wrong. But TBH I hated last years pick worse.

at least Jimmy Ward produced in collage. AA did nothing at the collage level and now I have to hope our coaching staff is so good they can make him produce against far better competition. I'm hoping I really am.

This guy is already hearing negative talk about him. He'll be surrounded by a great group of vets and get good coaching. No doubt he'll have a chip on his shoulder... wouldn't doubt he does what's asked of him and do pretty well on game day

Originally posted by Andra:
at least Jimmy Ward produced in collage. AA did nothing at the collage level and now I have to hope our coaching staff is so good they can make him produce against far better competition. I'm hoping I really am.

This "he did nothing" stuff is a bunch of nonsense. He played 3-4 DE, his main job was to set the edge, keep containment and stuff the run.


As Daniel Jeremiah wrote in the article above:

"I think he has some upside as a pass rusher. I know people look at him and say he's not an elite pass rusher, lacks some of that quickness. Not what he was asked to do in that Oregon scheme.

You always have to account for scheme and what a player's role was when determining productivity. The 49ers wouldn't have drafted Armstead if Tomsula hadn't signed off on it and I trust his knowledge and opinion of DL's considering his track record.

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

I hope this kid proves us wrong. But TBH I hated last years pick worse.

at least Jimmy Ward produced in collage. AA did nothing at the collage level and now I have to hope our coaching staff is so good they can make him produce against far better competition. I'm hoping I really am.

JTom is the DL whisperer

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
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