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RollinWith21n52 · 2015-01-25T11:44:48-08:00

This is a guy who caught my eye before I ever heard the name, by watching a husky game. The more I watch, the more I'm blown away. This guys is the real deal. Now the team dismissal will certainly need to be addressed, and can't be overlooked, but purely based on on-the-field performance, this guy is my top rated player in the draft. There are 3 dimensions by which I like to evaluate players, and ideally they all point in the same direction. If they do, that's a clean prospect (again, referring only to on the field performance). 1) Production.This is my first go-to. You'll notice that NFL production correlates incredibly well with College production. Historically draft experts have scuffed at this, but now they're realizing more and more that you can tell a lot about a player by their stats. If a guy couldn't get a sack in college, I worry about what he'll do at the NFL level, regardless of his wingspan or quickness. 2) Tape. This needs to validate the above. So many schools and so many systems, that all numbers aren't created equal. Sometimes you'll see a guy with 4 ints and that seems like nice production, but then you watch the tape and he didn't really work for any of them. Just gifts from a terrible QB, or balls bouncing off an open receivers hands. Everything goes through tape. 3) Measurables. This is a grown man's game, and as much as we find outliers who can overcome this, it's still a very important consideration. A DB with production who runs a 4.6 simply won't translate to the NFL. Maybe a few will (Boldin), but it's a red flag. And if a guy has the tape and the production and then blows away the combine, then you run to the podium with his name on the card (i.e. JJ Watt). So how does Peters stack up? 1) Production. There's one stat that bothers me, and that's games played. But his production is jaw dropping: 3 Ints is a good number. To have that in a freshman year is fantastic Pick 6 as a freshman 11 Passes Defensed as a freshman?! 11 is amazing. 11 as a freshman is just absurd. As a sophmore, 4 games, 3.5 TFL... and 5 Ints?! Lets add 9 PDs. In 4 games? I don't even get it... This year: 2 games 3 Ints. Ok, this needs to stop. The guy has 11 Ints in 19 games, and 8 over his last 6. 2) Now how is this happening? What's the tape saying? For example, he's got a Forced Fumble. What was that? Maybe an accidental hit and the ball-carrier just dropped it? Maybe these Ints just fell into his hands? Just watch this, and try to keep your jaw from hitting the floor (against Brandin Cooks and OR State last year): http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-peters-vs-oregon-state-2013/. In fact, watch any of them. It's all absurd. 3) 6'0" 198. Still waiting for the rest of the numbers, but I think it's safe to say that measurables won't hold him back. He's got instincts, ability to stick with WRs, is incredible at 50/50 balls, can turn his hips and high point the ball. He jumps routes on time, and is an absolute thug at the LOS. He's also violent. I'm surprised he hasn't been arrested for assult, based on what he does to WRs trying to catch the ball. The Sherman comparison is a hefty one, but he's got a lot of similarities to his game. I know the team dismissal is nothing to scuff at, but based on what I've seen, I have him rated as the top player in this draft. Thoughts?

Mar 8, 2015 at 8:14 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by xcfan:
The guy is an alpha on the field. An ornery dog of a competitor. Has nfl success written all over him.
Hes going to alter game plans.
If he passes the character test, NOT a reach at 15.

I wouldn't mind a trade down and grabbing him in the late 1st.

Mar 8, 2015 at 4:59 PM

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People make way too big of a deal about "character flags". Sure, if a guy has SERIOUS issues, i.e. sense of entitlement, is a cancer, has sociopathic, violent tendencies or is a sexual deviant, ya, you drop the guy from your draft board...

...but it seems like any guy who misses a single Sunday church sermon gets demonized by fans and media.

I'd like to remind everyone that the NFL HOF and Pro-Bowl rosters every year are filled with guys who were in some way hot-heads or had some kind of character concerns. Cris Carter. Deion Sanders. Michael Irvin. Randy Moss. Terrell Owens. Rodney Harrison. Lawrence Taylor. Ray Lewis.

The question is whether Peters is just a highly emotional, competitive guy... or if he is more like a Percy Harvin and has an inflated opinion of himself and no respect for teammates and coaches.

As long as he's not a complete a*****e, I wouldn't mind drafting him early at all. A shutdown CB and a ball-hawk to pair with our pass rush could make our D a nightmare to match up with.

Mar 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM

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Have a feeling he'll be in Seattle next year.

Mar 8, 2015 at 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by xcfan:
The guy is an alpha on the field. An ornery dog of a competitor. Has nfl success written all over him.
Hes going to alter game plans.
If he passes the character test, NOT a reach at 15.

This. He has the "it" factor. When he was on the field he was a play maker. With the way things are playing out in FA, corner seems to be the position we need to address in the first. Hopefully this is our guy.

[ Edited by Whosgotitbetter on Mar 8, 2015 at 5:24 PM ]

Mar 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM

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Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
People make way too big of a deal about "character flags". Sure, if a guy has SERIOUS issues, i.e. sense of entitlement, is a cancer, has sociopathic, violent tendencies or is a sexual deviant, ya, you drop the guy from your draft board...

...but it seems like any guy who misses a single Sunday church sermon gets demonized by fans and media.

I'd like to remind everyone that the NFL HOF and Pro-Bowl rosters every year are filled with guys who were in some way hot-heads or had some kind of character concerns. Cris Carter. Deion Sanders. Michael Irvin. Randy Moss. Terrell Owens. Rodney Harrison. Lawrence Taylor. Ray Lewis.

The question is whether Peters is just a highly emotional, competitive guy... or if he is more like a Percy Harvin and has an inflated opinion of himself and no respect for teammates and coaches.

As long as he's not a complete a*****e, I wouldn't mind drafting him early at all. A shutdown CB and a ball-hawk to pair with our pass rush could make our D a nightmare to match up with.

From what I've read, he's a highly competitive and emotional guy. Even his coaches in Washington are really vouching for him with NFL teams. That's a real good sign.

Mar 9, 2015 at 1:52 PM

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if you want a guy to make a #1 wr frustrated, then pick this guy. #1 wr will have a long day's work on sunday.

Mar 10, 2015 at 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by xcfan:
if you want a guy to make a #1 wr frustrated, then pick this guy. #1 wr will have a long day's work on sunday.

He growing on me. I love his instincts . He just a play maker. My only concern is his motivation. Is he the type of guy who takes plays off and comes to team meetings late? Because I don't want that. I want a player who can turn his emotions into motivation.

Mar 13, 2015 at 8:53 AM

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Read a tweet on another board that Peters is the top ranked CB on the 49ers draft board.

Mar 13, 2015 at 8:58 AM

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Originally posted by FL9er:
Read a tweet on another board that Peters is the top ranked CB on the 49ers draft board.

Wouldn't be shocked at all to see us take him at 15. It would be a bit of a reach, but a definite Baalke move. A trade down would be ideal if he is the target, but then you never know if you will get your guy or not. And Baalke sure isn't afraid to make a pick early to be sure he gets who he wants.

Mar 13, 2015 at 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by xcfan:
if you want a guy to make a #1 wr frustrated, then pick this guy. #1 wr will have a long day's work on sunday.

this this this

he's got that Deangelo Hall attitude on the field and really gets in the heads of opposing receivers. love his aggressiveness. his willingness to tackle. and he's an absolute ballhawk

Mar 13, 2015 at 9:28 AM

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Culliver is gone and Cox likely is too, making CB our top need. I hope we take this guy in the first.

Mar 13, 2015 at 11:28 AM

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i rather move up a few spots to grab Trae Waynes than down several to grab this guy

Mar 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM

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LumpiaJeff
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Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Read a tweet on another board that Peters is the top ranked CB on the 49ers draft board.

Wouldn't be shocked at all to see us take him at 15. It would be a bit of a reach, but a definite Baalke move. A trade down would be ideal if he is the target, but then you never know if you will get your guy or not. And Baalke sure isn't afraid to make a pick early to be sure he gets who he wants.

Don't see it as a reach at all. I've seen a few mocks that have the Eagles taking him

[ Edited by AsianJeff on Mar 13, 2015 at 1:18 PM ]

Mar 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by strawhat:
i rather move up a few spots to grab Trae Waynes than down several to grab this guy

to each his own, but I think Peters is a much better corner than Waynes. Waynes is good, but he was real aggressive with his hands for Michigan St. that's not gonna fly in the NFL.

Mar 31, 2015 at 10:36 AM

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Sounds like he's coming in for a visit...I found a good draft breakdown video of him against Jaelen Strong in 2014.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-peters-vs-jaelen-strong-2014-3/